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#3201 race addicted

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 11:37

That's exactly how it works. Not sure what you mean though with the stiffness.


A rigidly stiff car forces the tyre to absorb all the energy, and if there is no "suspension roll" the sideways energy put through the tyre will be massive.

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#3202 mlsnoopy

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 11:47

So according to AMUS mercedes could be 1s faster than the McLaren

#3203 surbjits

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 11:48

So according to AMUS mercedes could be 1s faster than the McLaren


I will throw my Omega out the window if that happens to be true.

#3204 maverick69

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 11:48

A rigidly stiff car forces the tyre to absorb all the energy, and if there is no "suspension roll" the sideways energy put through the tyre will be massive.


Yep.

And with this years tyres having much stiffer sidewalls there is defiantly going to be more of a premium on chassis/suspension compliance.......

#3205 undersquare

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 11:49

Yeah, how can this be a passive system? Is it activated by the natural weight transfer then?

A dead-stiff car would be very hard on it's tires in high speed turns btw, as it would be less predictable when you pass the point where the tires can't take it.


In general the better you make a tyre stick, the faster it eventually breaks away. So if they're engaging the whole surface width effectively it will pull more g and let go more suddenly, but that should also be good for wear.

Tho I have always found the front camber a mystery, because when they arrive at the corner only the inside of the surface is warm then they in effect stick the car on cold tyres. Red Bull were frying the inside edges at one point, so it does work tho...


#3206 race addicted

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 11:52

Heat is transported very fast through rubber, and for every corner the (outside) front is plastered to the ground.

#3207 teejay

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 12:01

I will throw my Omega out the window if that happens to be true.


In pure race pace, or Segio Perez easy does it Q3 pace?

#3208 undersquare

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 12:02

Heat is transported very fast through rubber, and for every corner the (outside) front is plastered to the ground.


Well in Barca Hill was talking about T1 being tricky because the tyres have cooled on the straight. And the tyre temperature is so critical, in the window or out of it...

Camber must work as I said, but if you could run the tyres flat on the road everywhere it seems to me it would be very beneficial. So let's hope this system is the business.

#3209 surbjits

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 12:05

In pure race pace, or Segio Perez easy does it Q3 pace?


Race pace of course.



#3210 bonjon1979a

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 12:15

So according to AMUS mercedes could be 1s faster than the McLaren


The top 14 won't be covered by more than a second. Button has confirmed though that the mac wasn't capable of matching Mercs time at Barcelona

#3211 Wingnut

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 12:16

So according to AMUS mercedes could be 1s faster than the McLaren


Oh come on! I thought they were a respectable outfit?

#3212 jjcale

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 12:16

The top 14 won't be covered by more than a second. Button has confirmed though that the mac wasn't capable of matching Mercs time at Barcelona

Really?? Not that I dont believe you - but when/where did he say this?

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 12:22

A rigidly stiff car forces the tyre to absorb all the energy, and if there is no "suspension roll" the sideways energy put through the tyre will be massive.


Oh, I know that, but the merc's suspension is anything but stiff.


#3214 race addicted

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 12:23

Really?? Not that I dont believe you - but when/where did he say this?


(http://www.autosport...t.php/id/106008) ---> http://forums.autosp...w...&start=2160

Edited by race addicted, 14 March 2013 - 12:24.


#3215 bonjon1979a

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 12:28

Really?? Not that I dont believe you - but when/where did he say this?


All the noises from the paddock are that the top five teams are within tenths of one another with Williams and force India a bit behind. 7 teams, top 14 places...no specific sources, just an impression I got from testing.

#3216 H2H

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 12:37


Some great, some FRICing pics there. One needs to take a carefuly look at those.

#3217 Masenco

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 12:42

(http://www.autosport...t.php/id/106008) ---> http://forums.autosp...w...&start=2160


Thanks for the link, hadn't seen that article before.
Let's hope Mercedes can make the tires perform that well in all temps!


#3218 akshay380

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 12:50

Some pics from today. Nico's looking funny :)
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#3219 Jelinski619

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 13:09

I'll be happy if the top 4/5 teams are within a tenth or two of each other. I believe in that situation - Hamilton will be the difference.

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#3220 Masenco

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 13:12

I'll be happy if the top 4/5 teams are within a tenth or two of each other. I believe in that situation - Hamilton will be the difference.


That's the dream we all share man, Lewis Kimi Alonso and Seb duking it out in near-similar cars.

#3221 Obi Offiah

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 13:20

I will throw my Omega out the window if that happens to be true.

What is an 'Omega', because I'll find one and join you?

#3222 jrg19

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 13:23

What is an 'Omega', because I'll find one and join you?


A cheap watch  ;)

#3223 Obi Offiah

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 13:24

A cheap watch ;)

Duh!!! Of course :blush:
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#3224 cooper

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 13:26

A cheap watch ;)

Well I guess when you compare to other high end watches they are pretty good value for money.. I wouldn't say cheap, but good value :lol: ... I wan't some darn photos of the W04! I can only find extreme close ups which don't give us anything exciting to talk about

#3225 race addicted

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 13:26

A cheap watch ;)


Mostly sold from markets and booths in Thailand. :D

#3226 Markn93

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 13:27

Introducing a lower exhaust, like Ferrari?

http://www.motorspor...ay-2013-009.jpg
http://www.motorspor...ay-2013-011.jpg

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 13:29

Some pics from today. Nico's looking funny :)
https://www.facebook...5...3748&type=1


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#3228 Wingnut

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 13:51

Introducing a lower exhaust, like Ferrari?

http://www.motorspor...ay-2013-009.jpg
http://www.motorspor...ay-2013-011.jpg


I guess this is what they mean by most of the changes being 'under the skin'

#3229 molpid

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 13:57

Introducing a lower exhaust, like Ferrari?

http://www.motorspor...ay-2013-009.jpg
http://www.motorspor...ay-2013-011.jpg


It seems so, nice find. Good for CoG i guess.

#3230 andrewf1

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 14:00

Introducing a lower exhaust, like Ferrari?

http://www.motorspor...ay-2013-009.jpg
http://www.motorspor...ay-2013-011.jpg


It's actually the other way around, Ferrari had a very high exhaust initially and introduced a lower one gradually, like the Mercedes one.

#3231 maverick69

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 14:03

Introducing a lower exhaust, like Ferrari?

http://www.motorspor...ay-2013-009.jpg
http://www.motorspor...ay-2013-011.jpg


Kinda looks like a "halfway house" between the Red bull "ramp" and the McLaren "nozzle" solutions........

#3232 Markn93

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 14:08

Kinda looks like a "halfway house" between the Red bull "ramp" and the McLaren "nozzle" solutions........

Indeed, it does.

#3233 mlsnoopy

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 14:12

Introducing a lower exhaust, like Ferrari?

http://www.motorspor...ay-2013-009.jpg
http://www.motorspor...ay-2013-011.jpg


I think we need to wait for the bodywork so that we can judge how low it is.

#3234 rileyl

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 14:37

A cheap watch ;)


Don't worry, u may throw a replica!

#3235 aray

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 16:56

Mostly sold from markets and booths in Thailand. :D

i bet the guy has one of those...hence this spontaneous willingness... ;)

i think Merc will be 3rd fastest car,after RB and Ferrari in race pace....but it will be a better qualifier... :up:

#3236 BernieEc

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 17:09

i bet the guy has one of those...hence this spontaneous willingness...;)

i think Merc will be 3rd fastest car,after RB and Ferrari in race pace....but it will be a better qualifier... :up:


Have you forgotten about the Lotus (the so called kings of tyre management)

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 17:14

Back on topic with the weather fluctuating will the team have to limit running because of tire deg?

#3238 femi

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 17:17

Back on topic with the weather fluctuating will the team have to limit running because of tire deg?


I would have expected the opposite, I think they should actually test to see how far the tires could endure rather than finding out in the race.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 17:21

Back on topic with the weather fluctuating will the team have to limit running because of tire deg?



I think that would definitely number the days of Pirelli in F1.

Edit: no. There seems to be a confidence within the team about tyre management. If they have to limit running to spare tires, would mean other teams would have to also. That would be a farce.

Edited by Szoelloe, 14 March 2013 - 17:24.


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#3240 aray

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 17:23

Have you forgotten about the Lotus (the so called kings of tyre management)

i expect them to fight with Merc....

#3241 femi

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 17:28

i expect them to fight with Merc....


I am just going to wait not just till after this race but Sepang's as well. I read about Merc's FRIC suspension and there are some saying they had 8 days to fine tune it at Barca. I don't remember Merc spending a lot of time in the box in between runs. That argument does fit Mclaren more than any other team.

I am fairly confident that Merc has this under control...

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 17:36

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#3243 kedia990

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 17:41

Back on topic with the weather fluctuating will the team have to limit running because of tire deg?


In practice sessions? Don't think so, because they have to return the tyres to Pirelli at the end of the day anyway, right? Its not like tyres allotted for practice sessions can be used for Q or R.
Whether they get into and Q3 and don't set a time to conserve tyres, is a different issue altogether.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 17:43

What important piece of information did I miss in the period from the last test to now?

Merc has gone from a solid top5 team spot, to lifted to the skies as the fastest?

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 17:49

What important piece of information did I miss in the period from the last test to now?

Merc has gone from a solid top5 team spot, to lifted to the skies as the fastest?


LMAO u didn't miss any info. The hype is just out of control!!! :eek: :eek:

#3246 femi

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 17:53

In practice sessions? Don't think so, because they have to return the tyres to Pirelli at the end of the day anyway, right? Its not like tyres allotted for practice sessions can be used for Q or R.
Whether they get into and Q3 and don't set a time to conserve tyres, is a different issue altogether.


i think he knew all that, he was just trying to get us back on topic. I agree with you btw.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 17:54

Why the hell is anyone backing the team to win the championship when (a) the cars they've produced have been crap and (b) they've never, ever developed well over the course of a season? Same hype around the car this time last year and the same developmental crap.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 17:54

I would have expected the opposite, I think they should actually test to see how far the tires could endure rather than finding out in the race.


They only give back 2 sets of Prime and 1 option

Edited by Rybo, 14 March 2013 - 17:55.


#3249 1Devil1

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 17:54

I would like to present to you the upcoming Australian GP winner:


What's going wrong here? Podium would be a disappointment for some around here :lol: No free practice nor qualifying until know :drunk:

#3250 jrg19

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 17:56

Both cars in the points is what we should all want/expect.