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#3251 SR388

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 17:57

Both cars in the points is what we should all want/expect.


I want the team to win.

I expect both cars in the top 8 positions.

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#3252 carlb5253

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:36

Merc will 1-2 the first 7 races

#3253 Neomaster121

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:41

Merc will 1-2 the first 7 races


one can dream lol

#3254 Bartonz20let

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:42

Can't wait for this morning to start to get a true idea of pace of the Merc.

Trying to maintain a level, none pessimistic but not confident mentality, can't wait.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:46

one can dream lol


I know that the Sky coverage for FP1 starts at 1am (GMT) but what time does the actual session start.

I have a really good feeling about this car, I hope that they start as good as they did last year (pre-race, anyway).

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:47

I know that the Sky coverage for FP1 starts at 1am (GMT) but what time does the actual session start.

I have a really good feeling about this car, I hope that they start as good as they did last year (pre-race, anyway).

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#3257 Neomaster121

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:49

I know that the Sky coverage for FP1 starts at 1am (GMT) but what time does the actual session start.

I have a really good feeling about this car, I hope that they start as good as they did last year (pre-race, anyway).


I too have a good feeling, wish i could stay up tonight to see this car in action but sadly got a uni exam on tomorrow morning

Um not sure when the sky fp1 starts would suggest probably an half hr to hr later

#3258 BigCHrome

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:50

Why the hell is anyone backing the team to win the championship when (a) the cars they've produced have been crap and (b) they've never, ever developed well over the course of a season? Same hype around the car this time last year and the same developmental crap.


Great argument. Merc should just save their money and not even bother showing up.

#3259 meddo

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:55

Great argument. Merc should just save their money and not even bother showing up.

I second that. They have enough F1 exposure as it is, throught safety and medical car.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:57

I second that. They have enough F1 exposure as it is, throught safety and medical car.


Yep, and if it rains a lot in Malaysia and China it'll be a Merc leading half the race, even if it's only Berndt whatsisname in the safety car.

#3261 DutchCruijff

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 19:13

Great argument. Merc should just save their money and not even bother showing up.

What? The point was against so-called expert and not Mercedes. Sweet Jesus.

#3262 meddo

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 19:21

Jesus was a Merc fan also. At least Janis says so.

#3263 undersquare

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 19:32

What? The point was against so-called expert and not Mercedes. Sweet Jesus.


Of course it was against Mercedes. Another baseless assumption that nothing has changed and last year will repeat. But the team quite obviously has changed.

Anyway for me setup and driving will be key this year, as much as the cars; I can't wait to see Lewis with new engineers.

#3264 Peter Perfect

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 19:38

I would like to present to you the upcoming Australian GP winner:

That'd do me nicely :) I've got an each way bet on him and Rosberg for this weekend

#3265 superdelphinus

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 19:40

I think merc will benefit from the seemingly slightly cool temperatures there at the moment, win the race, and then be crap for the next 3 years

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 19:43

Of course it was against Mercedes. Another baseless assumption that nothing has changed and last year will repeat. But the team quite obviously has changed.

Anyway for me setup and driving will be key this year, as much as the cars; I can't wait to see Lewis with new engineers.


They shouldn't be so new by now. Although if you mean in combat circumstances, I agree. I think he will be in very good hands. I'd give a lot though for some free radio exchange 'listen-ins'.


#3267 undersquare

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 19:53

They shouldn't be so new by now. Although if you mean in combat circumstances, I agree. I think he will be in very good hands. I'd give a lot though for some free radio exchange 'listen-ins'.


Well I mean new engineers as in different and better from what McLaren gave him when JB joined - like the one who said all drivers are prima donnas...

Yeah the radio will be more than interesting, I'm expecting it to be matier and more mutual, hopefully...

#3268 DutchCruijff

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 19:59

Of course it was against Mercedes. Another baseless assumption that nothing has changed and last year will repeat. But the team quite obviously has changed.

Baseless? You 'aving a laugh? And by the way, I'm not saying nothing will change I am saying that it is odd to back a team to come out of nowhere and win the WCC where nothing has changed for them for the past 3 years.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:01

I'm not too sure about this fric system, though if they really have it I hope their simulator is good enough to handle setting it up there.

What? The point was against so-called expert and not Mercedes. Sweet Jesus.


Your point was that a team that wasn't fast last year won't improve.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:01

Well I mean new engineers as in different and better from what McLaren gave him when JB joined - like the one who said all drivers are prima donnas...

Yeah the radio will be more than interesting, I'm expecting it to be matier and more mutual, hopefully...


I honestly think the main difference will be proactivity. He will be encouraged to make decisions on the run. I wouldn't think they are better. It is different.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:14

I honestly think the main difference will be proactivity. He will be encouraged to make decisions on the run. I wouldn't think they are better. It is different.


I always had doubts about the quality of Lewis' engineers at Mac, after Prew.

On strategy I think it's comparatively rare for the driver to have a lot of input. Really it's only about the state of the track and whether the car is drivable. I think the big difference will be that it'll all be more shared and mutual, and Lewis will have more confidence in them.

#3272 Markn93

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:21

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/21786415

#3273 SR388

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:26

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/21786415


Can't watch that because the BBC hates Americans. :drunk:


Any way you fill me in on what they are on about?

#3274 Markn93

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:28

Can't watch that because the BBC hates Americans. :drunk:


Any way you fill me in on what they are on about?


Not much actually, bit disappointing. Mention more about Lewis' chances than the car, GA discusses how the fw is necessary for other developments all over the car, but apart from that it wasn't really insightful.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:29

"Five or six wins" would definitely make him a WDC-contender. I'd love for Andersson to be right, but I can't bring myself to be that optimistic.

Also looking very, very much forward to get an impression of how it works between Hamilton and his engineers. Remind me, is it going to be Jock Clear as his no.1, or that other guy? (Tomlinson?)

#3276 TomNokoe

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:29

5 or 6 races :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#3277 Kvothe

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:31

"Five or six wins" would definitely make him a WDC-contender. I'd love for Andersson to be right, but I can't bring myself to be that optimistic.

Also looking very, very much forward to get an impression of how it works between Hamilton and his engineers. Remind me, is it going to be Jock Clear as his no.1, or that other guy? (Tomlinson?)


Neither it'll be Peter Bonnington,

#3278 Markn93

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:33

Neither it'll be Peter Bonnington,

Or as he's known in the business, 'Bonno'.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:33

If they struggle to make Q3 I am going to stay WELL AWAY from this place! haha

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#3280 amppatel

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:34

Hamilton is going to get pole.

#3281 Timstr11

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:35

Neither it'll be Peter Bonnington,

Peter and Jock are his leading engineers.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:37

Not much actually, bit disappointing. Mention more about Lewis' chances than the car, GA discusses how the fw is necessary for other developments all over the car, but apart from that it wasn't really insightful.


Don't know what you mean, I for one found out that there are two types of F1 cars this season; ones you can drive by the seat of your pants, and others you can't, apparently the Mercedes is one of the former, but why that means anything, and what seperates the former from the latter, Gary in his unquestionable wisdom has deigned not to reveal to us.

#3283 Kvothe

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:39

Peter and Jock are his leading engineers.


Deja vu?

Yes I'm fully aware of Jock Clear's role as his performance engineer, but when someone asks who's Alonso's no 1, they don't say Stella, and so and so, similarly with Vettel they don't say Rocky and so and so.

Edited by Kvothe, 14 March 2013 - 20:40.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:42

"Five or six wins" would definitely make him a WDC-contender. I'd love for Andersson to be right, but I can't bring myself to be that optimistic.

Also looking very, very much forward to get an impression of how it works between Hamilton and his engineers. Remind me, is it going to be Jock Clear as his no.1, or that other guy? (Tomlinson?)


I watched the video and for me he was talking about the Merc team's chance to win 5-6 races, not just Lewis's. Even this is wildly optimistic unless he thinks the team is in the top two. Remind me how many teams won that many races in the last few years? Gah! Let's just have some races please and stop this hyper-speculation!!!

If F1 had the same intra-season break as football (about 2-3 weeks most years it seems!) we'd probably not get so much fantastic and outlandish speculation as we get in this sport when everyone including the pundits has been waiting for three months (testing counts about as much as showing a photo of food to a starving man).

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:49

I'm not too sure about this fric system, though if they really have it I hope their simulator is good enough to handle setting it up there.



Your point was that a team that wasn't fast last year won't improve.

Uhhhhh my point was that experts were so certain a team that hasn't been fast for the past 3 years will win the title. Boom.

#3286 Markn93

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:49

Don't know what you mean, I for one found out that there are two types of F1 cars this season; ones you can drive by the seat of your pants, and others you can't, apparently the Mercedes is one of the former, but why that means anything, and what seperates the former from the latter, Gary in his unquestionable wisdom has deigned not to reveal to us.

Probably too much for us mere mortals to handle (just joking, quite like GA :up: ).

Can't wait to see your sig after FP this evening/morning.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 21:08

Deja vu?

Yes I'm fully aware of Jock Clear's role as his performance engineer, but when someone asks who's Alonso's no 1, they don't say Stella, and so and so, similarly with Vettel they don't say Rocky and so and so.


Umm, yes they do? Stella is the guy Alonso hears on the radio, Rocky is the guy Vettel hears, and Bonnington will be the guy that Hamilton hears.

I hope he's better than Latham, though that won't be exactly hard.

Uhhhhh my point was that experts were so certain a team that hasn't been fast for the past 3 years will win the title. Boom.


There haven't been any "experts" that have said anything of the sort. Nor has anyone on the forum. We've just had some members that are having some fun and being a bit confident for the first race.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 21:10

Don't know what you mean, I for one found out that there are two types of F1 cars this season; ones you can drive by the seat of your pants, and others you can't, apparently the Mercedes is one of the former, but why that means anything, and what seperates the former from the latter, Gary in his unquestionable wisdom has deigned not to reveal to us.


I thought it was clear, the car can be driven using you cheeks

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 21:12

Yep, it's one of those cars that can be steered by subtle control of the glutimus maximus. Tensing one cheek causes steering input, tensing both causes a braking input, and a pelvic thrust is all that's needed for maximum acceleration. It's all in the muscles.

Mercedes AMG young driver's programme induction course:

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Edited by OoxLox, 14 March 2013 - 21:15.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 21:14

Umm, yes they do? Stella is the guy Alonso hears on the radio, Rocky is the guy Vettel hears, and Bonnington will be the guy that Hamilton hears.

I hope he's better than Latham, though that won't be exactly hard.


Sorry I can't quite tell how you're disagreeing with me?

I thought it was clear, the car can be driven using you cheeks


The true secret behind Fric ;)

Edited by Kvothe, 14 March 2013 - 21:15.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 21:18

Sorry I can't quite tell how you're disagreeing with me?



The true secret behind Fric ;)


You've got a FRICking cheek :stoned:

#3292 DutchCruijff

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 21:37

Deja vu?

Yes I'm fully aware of Jock Clear's role as his performance engineer, but when someone asks who's Alonso's no 1, they don't say Stella, and so and so, similarly with Vettel they don't say Rocky and so and so.

That's probably because Alonso or Vettel's "No.2" doesn't have the same reputation as Jock Clear hence his honourable mention.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:36

Hamilton says he won't be on the front row:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/21785022

(at the very end)

I don't know if he is just saying that to manage expectations...

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:41

I don't have expectations of front row,but q3 is a must.

#3295 Markn93

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:41

Hamilton says he won't be on the front row:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/21785022

(at the very end)

I don't know if he is just saying that to manage expectations...

He said he doesn't think they will. That's because he knows they will :smoking:

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:42

Hamilton says he won't be on the front row:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/21785022

(at the very end)

I don't know if he is just saying that to manage expectations...

Aren't you guys tired of speculation?

I don't think I've ever seen so much hype by journos and fans during pre-season. This is not Brawn 2009.

Get a grip.

Practice starts in only a couple of hours.

#3297 BigCHrome

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:46

Realistically I'll be happy if they have a clean weekend, and are at most .5s away from the front.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:49

For some reason, out of all the top teams this team seems the most unpredictable to me. All I can say is top 5 team - no clue where.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:50

I always had doubts about the quality of Lewis' engineers at Mac, after Prew.

On strategy I think it's comparatively rare for the driver to have a lot of input. Really it's only about the state of the track and whether the car is drivable. I think the big difference will be that it'll all be more shared and mutual, and Lewis will have more confidence in them.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 23:01

Aren't you guys tired of speculation?

I don't think I've ever seen so much hype by journos and fans during pre-season. This is not Brawn 2009.

Get a grip.

Practice starts in only a couple of hours.


:up: Lets just hope there is not a similar volume of wailing to that of the overconfidence thrown around here over the past week when the reality doesn't meet their lofty expectations.