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#3551 superdelphinus

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 19:54

Just for the sake of it: Its Andersen.


Excellent pedantry. Respect

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#3552 Guizotia

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 19:55

Just for the sake of it: Its Andersen.


Andresson?

#3553 Smitla321

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 19:59

Rumours on the paddock say it has a more secret benefit besides this...
At around the time rumours about Lewis and Mercedes began to circulate last year there arose another rumour. A rumour that Mercedes had quietly hired Steven Jockley, the ex BAR engineer. Nothing was ever confirmed, but rumours say that before Villeneuve's foot injury BAR had been toying with the idea of Flitch Throttle... in testing they found some mechanical limitations to do with the separated suspension of the rear and front wheels and Jockley was working on a hydraulically linked suspension setup to alleviate this problem. But then Villeneuve had his leg operation and the team was sold to Honda and the idea died in the staff shuffle.

As we know the mysterious Flitch Throttle was a technique mastered by Senna, and apart from him he only person to ever use it successfully was Villeneuve. That is until now. Villeneuve is aware of Lewis' admiration for Senna and the similarities in their driving styles and passed on the knowledge he gained from Senna back in the 1994 kart test to Hamilton. McLaren refused to ever develop their car, despite Lewis' continued pleading, down a path that would have made using the technique possible. They knew that would have made the car nearly impossible for Jenson to drive.

Then, in this year's winter testing a very strange sound was heard. There were some McLaren engineers who knew exactly what was up when the Mercedes car of Lewis made a very specific sound in acceleration, a sound that hadn't been heard since Senna was sitting behind the wheel of an F1 car. The fabled Flitch Throttle had returned.


This could be a novel. :rotfl:

Classic banter. I love this team. :up:

#3554 Asterion

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 20:06

Rumours on the paddock say it has a more secret benefit besides this...
At around the time rumours about Lewis and Mercedes began to circulate last year there arose another rumour. A rumour that Mercedes had quietly hired Steven Jockley, the ex BAR engineer. Nothing was ever confirmed, but rumours say that before Villeneuve's foot injury BAR had been toying with the idea of Flitch Throttle... in testing they found some mechanical limitations to do with the separated suspension of the rear and front wheels and Jockley was working on a hydraulically linked suspension setup to alleviate this problem. But then Villeneuve had his leg operation and the team was sold to Honda and the idea died in the staff shuffle.

As we know the mysterious Flitch Throttle was a technique mastered by Senna, and apart from him he only person to ever use it successfully was Villeneuve. That is until now. Villeneuve is aware of Lewis' admiration for Senna and the similarities in their driving styles and passed on the knowledge he gained from Senna back in the 1994 kart test to Hamilton. McLaren refused to ever develop their car, despite Lewis' continued pleading, down a path that would have made using the technique possible. They knew that would have made the car nearly impossible for Jenson to drive.

Then, in this year's winter testing a very strange sound was heard. There were some McLaren engineers who knew exactly what was up when the Mercedes car of Lewis made a very specific sound in acceleration, a sound that hadn't been heard since Senna was sitting behind the wheel of an F1 car. The fabled Flitch Throttle had returned.

The Return of the King!

#3555 1Devil1

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 20:21

Rumours on the paddock say it has a more secret benefit besides this...
At around the time rumours about Lewis and Mercedes began to circulate last year there arose another rumour. A rumour that Mercedes had quietly hired Steven Jockley, the ex BAR engineer. Nothing was ever confirmed, but rumours say that before Villeneuve's foot injury BAR had been toying with the idea of Flitch Throttle... in testing they found some mechanical limitations to do with the separated suspension of the rear and front wheels and Jockley was working on a hydraulically linked suspension setup to alleviate this problem. But then Villeneuve had his leg operation and the team was sold to Honda and the idea died in the staff shuffle.

As we know the mysterious Flitch Throttle was a technique mastered by Senna, and apart from him he only person to ever use it successfully was Villeneuve. That is until now. Villeneuve is aware of Lewis' admiration for Senna and the similarities in their driving styles and passed on the knowledge he gained from Senna back in the 1994 kart test to Hamilton. McLaren refused to ever develop their car, despite Lewis' continued pleading, down a path that would have made using the technique possible. They knew that would have made the car nearly impossible for Jenson to drive.

Then, in this year's winter testing a very strange sound was heard. There were some McLaren engineers who knew exactly what was up when the Mercedes car of Lewis made a very specific sound in acceleration, a sound that hadn't been heard since Senna was sitting behind the wheel of an F1 car. The fabled Flitch Throttle had returned.


I hope you got your meds :rotfl: I thought Senna used heel and toe to operate the clutch at the same time - since we have only two pedals left...

#3556 femi

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 20:37

That is a brilliant story and I so hope you're right, but I highly doubt you are!

Of course not, besides villeneuve is a fan of JB not LH. Good for a laugh though

Edited by femi, 16 March 2013 - 01:57.


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 20:41

Rumours on the paddock say it has a more secret benefit besides this...
At around the time rumours about Lewis and Mercedes began to circulate last year there arose another rumour. A rumour that Mercedes had quietly hired Steven Jockley, the ex BAR engineer. Nothing was ever confirmed, but rumours say that before Villeneuve's foot injury BAR had been toying with the idea of Flitch Throttle... in testing they found some mechanical limitations to do with the separated suspension of the rear and front wheels and Jockley was working on a hydraulically linked suspension setup to alleviate this problem. But then Villeneuve had his leg operation and the team was sold to Honda and the idea died in the staff shuffle.

As we know the mysterious Flitch Throttle was a technique mastered by Senna, and apart from him he only person to ever use it successfully was Villeneuve. That is until now. Villeneuve is aware of Lewis' admiration for Senna and the similarities in their driving styles and passed on the knowledge he gained from Senna back in the 1994 kart test to Hamilton. McLaren refused to ever develop their car, despite Lewis' continued pleading, down a path that would have made using the technique possible. They knew that would have made the car nearly impossible for Jenson to drive.

Then, in this year's winter testing a very strange sound was heard. There were some McLaren engineers who knew exactly what was up when the Mercedes car of Lewis made a very specific sound in acceleration, a sound that hadn't been heard since Senna was sitting behind the wheel of an F1 car. The fabled Flitch Throttle had returned.


One of the greatest posts ever read


#3558 Speedoholic

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 20:41

"Specialist publications are reporting a secret of the apparent speed of Mercedes' new W04 car -- a system known in the German squad's garage as 'Fric'."

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#3559 Longtimefan

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 20:42

Three years of making a total dog of a car.

Why couldn't they make this kind of progress in 2012 dammit :mad: :mad:

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#3560 ZooL

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 20:42

Merc have go back to the fatter rear body work. Is that just because of the hotter temps?

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Don't suppose you have a link to the other similar pic of what they introduced later in testing?
Seems odd if your right as Aussie is going to be a cooler place than most of the season.
The fence is gone.

Edited by ZooL, 15 March 2013 - 20:43.


#3561 Szoelloe

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 20:45

Don't suppose you have a link to the other similar pic of what they introduced later in testing?
Seems odd if your right as Aussie is going to be a cooler place than most of the season.
The fence is gone.


He isn't. Its not the 'fatter' bodywork.


#3562 Spoch

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 20:49

Rumours on the paddock say it has a more secret benefit besides this...
At around the time rumours about Lewis and Mercedes began to circulate last year there arose another rumour. A rumour that Mercedes had quietly hired Steven Jockley, the ex BAR engineer. Nothing was ever confirmed, but rumours say that before Villeneuve's foot injury BAR had been toying with the idea of Flitch Throttle... in testing they found some mechanical limitations to do with the separated suspension of the rear and front wheels and Jockley was working on a hydraulically linked suspension setup to alleviate this problem. But then Villeneuve had his leg operation and the team was sold to Honda and the idea died in the staff shuffle.

As we know the mysterious Flitch Throttle was a technique mastered by Senna, and apart from him he only person to ever use it successfully was Villeneuve. That is until now. Villeneuve is aware of Lewis' admiration for Senna and the similarities in their driving styles and passed on the knowledge he gained from Senna back in the 1994 kart test to Hamilton. McLaren refused to ever develop their car, despite Lewis' continued pleading, down a path that would have made using the technique possible. They knew that would have made the car nearly impossible for Jenson to drive.

Then, in this year's winter testing a very strange sound was heard. There were some McLaren engineers who knew exactly what was up when the Mercedes car of Lewis made a very specific sound in acceleration, a sound that hadn't been heard since Senna was sitting behind the wheel of an F1 car. The fabled Flitch Throttle had returned.


:eek: :up: ...cool beans you av made my day. U shld try fiction writing. My mood lit up after reading this...sounds like a narration at the begining of a quentin tarantion or ang lee movie called the flitch throttle...thanks again man

#3563 thesham01

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 21:12

Rumours on the paddock say it has a more secret benefit besides this...
At around the time rumours about Lewis and Mercedes began to circulate last year there arose another rumour. A rumour that Mercedes had quietly hired Steven Jockley, the ex BAR engineer. Nothing was ever confirmed, but rumours say that before Villeneuve's foot injury BAR had been toying with the idea of Flitch Throttle... in testing they found some mechanical limitations to do with the separated suspension of the rear and front wheels and Jockley was working on a hydraulically linked suspension setup to alleviate this problem. But then Villeneuve had his leg operation and the team was sold to Honda and the idea died in the staff shuffle.

As we know the mysterious Flitch Throttle was a technique mastered by Senna, and apart from him he only person to ever use it successfully was Villeneuve. That is until now. Villeneuve is aware of Lewis' admiration for Senna and the similarities in their driving styles and passed on the knowledge he gained from Senna back in the 1994 kart test to Hamilton. McLaren refused to ever develop their car, despite Lewis' continued pleading, down a path that would have made using the technique possible. They knew that would have made the car nearly impossible for Jenson to drive.

Then, in this year's winter testing a very strange sound was heard. There were some McLaren engineers who knew exactly what was up when the Mercedes car of Lewis made a very specific sound in acceleration, a sound that hadn't been heard since Senna was sitting behind the wheel of an F1 car. The fabled Flitch Throttle had returned.


:lol:

#3564 study

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 21:12

Stupid question

http://www.f1-fansit...94210422013.jpg

The jackets that Lewis wears isn't in the Merc store, anyone know were they're available, I presume they're just keeping them for team wear, I have a almost identical Mac one and they're pretty good.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 21:51

Three years of making a total dog of a car.

Why couldn't they make this kind of progress in 2012 dammit :mad: :mad:


Let's see what kind of progress they've made by the end of the season.  ;)

#3566 rhukkas

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 21:52

I'm hoping that post is a joke because also used his weird throttle technique in karts which have no suspension and no turbo (some suggested his technique was to spin the turbo or something)

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 21:56

Rumours on the paddock say it has a more secret benefit besides this...
At around the time rumours about Lewis and Mercedes began to circulate last year there arose another rumour. A rumour that Mercedes had quietly hired Steven Jockley, the ex BAR engineer. Nothing was ever confirmed, but rumours say that before Villeneuve's foot injury BAR had been toying with the idea of Flitch Throttle... in testing they found some mechanical limitations to do with the separated suspension of the rear and front wheels and Jockley was working on a hydraulically linked suspension setup to alleviate this problem. But then Villeneuve had his leg operation and the team was sold to Honda and the idea died in the staff shuffle.

As we know the mysterious Flitch Throttle was a technique mastered by Senna, and apart from him he only person to ever use it successfully was Villeneuve. That is until now. Villeneuve is aware of Lewis' admiration for Senna and the similarities in their driving styles and passed on the knowledge he gained from Senna back in the 1994 kart test to Hamilton. McLaren refused to ever develop their car, despite Lewis' continued pleading, down a path that would have made using the technique possible. They knew that would have made the car nearly impossible for Jenson to drive.

Then, in this year's winter testing a very strange sound was heard. There were some McLaren engineers who knew exactly what was up when the Mercedes car of Lewis made a very specific sound in acceleration, a sound that hadn't been heard since Senna was sitting behind the wheel of an F1 car. The fabled Flitch Throttle had returned.

:rotfl:

#3568 jjcale

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 21:59

Three years of making a total dog of a car.

Why couldn't they make this kind of progress in 2012 dammit :mad: :mad:


"Specialist publications are reporting a secret of the apparent speed of Mercedes' new W04 car -- a system known in the German squad's garage as 'Fric'."

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Auto Motor und Sport said the Brackley based team has been "tinkering with the system for three years".


Oh the irony...


#3569 MercPower

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 22:00

Rumours on the paddock say it has a more secret benefit besides this...
At around the time rumours about Lewis and Mercedes began to circulate last year there arose another rumour. A rumour that Mercedes had quietly hired Steven Jockley, the ex BAR engineer. Nothing was ever confirmed, but rumours say that before Villeneuve's foot injury BAR had been toying with the idea of Flitch Throttle... in testing they found some mechanical limitations to do with the separated suspension of the rear and front wheels and Jockley was working on a hydraulically linked suspension setup to alleviate this problem. But then Villeneuve had his leg operation and the team was sold to Honda and the idea died in the staff shuffle.

As we know the mysterious Flitch Throttle was a technique mastered by Senna, and apart from him he only person to ever use it successfully was Villeneuve. That is until now. Villeneuve is aware of Lewis' admiration for Senna and the similarities in their driving styles and passed on the knowledge he gained from Senna back in the 1994 kart test to Hamilton. McLaren refused to ever develop their car, despite Lewis' continued pleading, down a path that would have made using the technique possible. They knew that would have made the car nearly impossible for Jenson to drive.

Then, in this year's winter testing a very strange sound was heard. There were some McLaren engineers who knew exactly what was up when the Mercedes car of Lewis made a very specific sound in acceleration, a sound that hadn't been heard since Senna was sitting behind the wheel of an F1 car. The fabled Flitch Throttle had returned.



I know they are doing something with the suspension but this is a bit over the top to say the least

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 22:07

Rumours on the paddock say it has a more secret benefit besides this...
At around the time rumours about Lewis and Mercedes began to circulate last year there arose another rumour. A rumour that Mercedes had quietly hired Steven Jockley, the ex BAR engineer. Nothing was ever confirmed, but rumours say that before Villeneuve's foot injury BAR had been toying with the idea of Flitch Throttle... in testing they found some mechanical limitations to do with the separated suspension of the rear and front wheels and Jockley was working on a hydraulically linked suspension setup to alleviate this problem. But then Villeneuve had his leg operation and the team was sold to Honda and the idea died in the staff shuffle.

As we know the mysterious Flitch Throttle was a technique mastered by Senna, and apart from him he only person to ever use it successfully was Villeneuve. That is until now. Villeneuve is aware of Lewis' admiration for Senna and the similarities in their driving styles and passed on the knowledge he gained from Senna back in the 1994 kart test to Hamilton. McLaren refused to ever develop their car, despite Lewis' continued pleading, down a path that would have made using the technique possible. They knew that would have made the car nearly impossible for Jenson to drive.

Then, in this year's winter testing a very strange sound was heard. There were some McLaren engineers who knew exactly what was up when the Mercedes car of Lewis made a very specific sound in acceleration, a sound that hadn't been heard since Senna was sitting behind the wheel of an F1 car. The fabled Flitch Throttle had returned.

hmmmmmm ?

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 22:19

Stupid question

http://www.f1-fansit...94210422013.jpg

The jackets that Lewis wears isn't in the Merc store, anyone know were they're available, I presume they're just keeping them for team wear, I have a almost identical Mac one and they're pretty good.


Not making them, someone emailed Mercedes to find out and basically non of the nice stuff is getting sold.

#3572 KOMORI

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 22:22

Search "Flitch Throttle" or similar in the RC forum.... Tis an old and still funny joke :D

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 22:23

If we pull pole out of our Azze$ this story is going to take off like wild fire.

#3574 study

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 22:24

Not making them, someone emailed Mercedes to find out and basically non of the nice stuff is getting sold.



haha thanks, nice way of putting it :up:

Edited by study, 15 March 2013 - 22:25.


#3575 stanga

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 22:29

I know they are doing something with the suspension but this is a bit over the top to say the least


J.O.K.E.

It seems some need it spelled out!

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 22:48

"Specialist publications are reporting a secret of the apparent speed of Mercedes' new W04 car -- a system known in the German squad's garage as 'Fric'."

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Shall we call the car Fritz?

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 22:53

We should call it the Shizznit

Edited by Masenco, 15 March 2013 - 23:18.


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 22:53

Rumours on the paddock say it has a more secret benefit besides this...
At around the time rumours about Lewis and Mercedes began to circulate last year there arose another rumour. A rumour that Mercedes had quietly hired Steven Jockley, the ex BAR engineer. Nothing was ever confirmed, but rumours say that before Villeneuve's foot injury BAR had been toying with the idea of Flitch Throttle... in testing they found some mechanical limitations to do with the separated suspension of the rear and front wheels and Jockley was working on a hydraulically linked suspension setup to alleviate this problem. But then Villeneuve had his leg operation and the team was sold to Honda and the idea died in the staff shuffle.

As we know the mysterious Flitch Throttle was a technique mastered by Senna, and apart from him he only person to ever use it successfully was Villeneuve. That is until now. Villeneuve is aware of Lewis' admiration for Senna and the similarities in their driving styles and passed on the knowledge he gained from Senna back in the 1994 kart test to Hamilton. McLaren refused to ever develop their car, despite Lewis' continued pleading, down a path that would have made using the technique possible. They knew that would have made the car nearly impossible for Jenson to drive.

Then, in this year's winter testing a very strange sound was heard. There were some McLaren engineers who knew exactly what was up when the Mercedes car of Lewis made a very specific sound in acceleration, a sound that hadn't been heard since Senna was sitting behind the wheel of an F1 car. The fabled Flitch Throttle had returned.



I want this to be true. Please be true.

#3579 bonjon1979a

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 22:54

Forget 'fric', I've learned of something called 'tric. According to this source, th car has something called 'magnatraction'. Which explains why the car was so good at Monaco and in other traction zones.

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http://www.topslotsntrains.com/topslotsntr...Scalextric'


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 23:29

We should call it the Shizznit


damn i laughed so hard at that one :lol: :lol: +1

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 00:02

damn i laughed so hard at that one :lol: :lol: +1


Haha glad I made you laugh bud but I was serious!

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 00:40

Seems like a lot of the newcomers should try searching for 'Filch Throttle Technique' on the Autosport BB archives.
Nice re-cap Beans. :up:

#3583 Xeriks

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:06

Any news on the damage to Hamilton's car? and Rosberg looks great at the moment!

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:09

Hope he will have time to fix it now!

Edited by Will, 16 March 2013 - 07:10.


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:41

Hope he will have time to fix it now!


Already changed the rear wing. It apparently only took 2 minutes.

#3586 ivand911

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:54

What is the star on the nose - 3d or painted this year?

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:02

Posts deleted. If you wish to discuss the qualifying session, use the qualifying thread. How the drivers fared against each other also has a thread. Damage to the car is not technical discussion.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:06

But Lewis was already slower before he crashed, exactly 2sec slower then Nico.


He went straight on at T3... his 2nd and 3rd sector times matched Rosberg.

*edit* Sorry Buttoneer, went to go and get coffee between opening the post and replying :)

Edited by learningtobelost, 16 March 2013 - 08:14.


#3589 study

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:10

I was quite impressed by Lewis new race engineer, seemed a lot more knowledgable and helpful the last mclaren engineer,

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:14

He went straight on at T3... his 2nd and 3rd sector times matched Rosberg.


Nico looked simply more comfortable and faster and didn't spun, you could clearly see the whole week that Lewis is new to the team while Rosberg is totaly used to it.

#3591 Masenco

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:17

I love how Lewis looks so relaxed and well-loved in the garage, something we rarely saw at macca

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:20

Yeah Hamilton has looked a little too eager all weekend really, it'll pass though

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:22

20 days till I see this thing in Malaysia - CANNOT WAIT

Does anyone know if the drivers are doing any signing sessions in KL?

It is been confirmed. Lewis and Nico will be available for signing session at KLCC, Concourse Level on 20 March 2013 at 5.00pm.

During the early years of Malaysian GP (pre 2005-2006), it was very easy to get these Petronas-backed drivers autographs because the line was not that long - you can even pose for photographs with these drivers. Nowadays, it is touch and go, and the waiting period and the line is extremely long.

Go early if you plan on going there. The concourse area (LG of KLCC) is not that huge.

#3594 skyform

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:23

The Merc looks to be the best car in wet, at least in Nico's hands. It's nice to have a car that is good in all conditions. :p

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:25

The Merc looks to be the best car in wet, at least in Nico's hands. It's nice to have a car that is good in all conditions. :p


The RBR looked comfortably faster in the wet, at least in Vettel's hands.


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:47

Am I right in saying that Hamiltons RW won't be setup accordingly because it was a replacement?

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:53

Am I right in saying that Hamiltons RW won't be setup accordingly because it was a replacement?


Na it'll be set up correctly.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 10:02

Probably a question for another thread rather than Mercedes specific, but if they replace the wing, they should set it up exactly as the original had been before he pranged it. If that's what you mean by 'correctly'. The car was under parc fermé conditions.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 10:12

When they put new RW, it is probably already exactly the same as one it replace. RW are not so complicated.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 10:15

Probably a question for another thread rather than Mercedes specific, but if they replace the wing, they should set it up exactly as the original had been before he pranged it. If that's what you mean by 'correctly'. The car was under parc fermé conditions.


For fear of derailing the thread further, if the replacement RWs (or front wings or any other part for that matter) are of a different spec and can't be set up exactly the same, what happens then?

My cynicism makes me think someone could get away with say a better wet setup aero package, qualify, crash and then stick on another spec aero package that leads itself to better dry performance? Or would we be talking breach of Parc Ferme and thus pit lane start?