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#3651 BernieEc

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 16:56

I think it was more of a hypothetical question. Like think for instance if it was going to rain heavily for monaco qualifying but was predicted to be a dry race- then a team may risk to setup the car more for rain in the hope that the other cars will not be able to pass in the race...


:up: thanks for putting it in the right context.

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#3652 Szoelloe

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 16:58

I think it was more of a hypothetical question. Like think for instance if it was going to rain heavily for monaco qualifying but was predicted to be a dry race- then a team may risk to setup the car more for rain in the hope that the other cars will not be able to pass in the race...


That's a little far-fetched. With these tires, if they are shot, you're done. racing with the wrong setup would mean you're at the least too slow. You'd be overtaken even in Monaco. But its not even necessary, sooner or later you have to pit.


#3653 Masenco

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 16:59

:up: thanks for putting it in the right context.


No problemo bud :)

#3654 SCUDmissile

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 17:09

Gonna just throw this into the hat for the heck of it....

I think one of Merc/Ferrari/Lotus guys will even give seb a run for his money and if he makes the tiniest of mistakes or lockups, one of the Merc guys might pole it. There I said it.

:up: Though, made a little change.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 17:11

Imho, If mercedes can do what they have today in the wet, It shows the car has grip, Aero or mech i don't know but it bodes well for a dry or wet race :up:

#3656 0113Greenall

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 17:14

Last night i bet £10 on a Ham/Ros front row lock out @ 40/1. £200 in my wallet i'm starting to get tempted to bet again. :drunk:

#3657 ApexMouse

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 17:21

Mech. Costa cars have always been great mechanically.

#3658 MercPower

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 18:52

Mech. Costa cars have always been great mechanically.


What Mercedes have won Monaco already? :)

#3659 MP422

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 19:01

As i was nodding out in and out of sleep during the delay i was thinking... Gary Anderson might have been right if they keep these results.

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#3660 Szoelloe

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 19:17

^^there are no results yet. It was very obvious since Barcelona that the W04 is impressive in the wet. I think it was originally Grosjean who commented on the car being supreme after a wet testing day. It was just confirmed today. Rosberg has been quite sure about that today, saying a front row in the wet was a certainty. He and Brawn also said that in the dry it is uncertain where they end up. So let's see what they can do in a dry qualy. Saying that, being so good on a wet track bodes well for the future.

#3661 amppatel

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 19:22

^^there are no results yet. It was very obvious since Barcelona that the W04 is impressive in the wet. I think it was originally Grosjean who commented on the car being supreme after a wet testing day. It was just confirmed today. Rosberg has been quite sure about that today, saying a front row in the wet was a certainty. He and Brawn also said that in the dry it is uncertain where they end up. So let's see what they can do in a dry qualy. Saying that, being so good on a wet track bodes well for the future.


I think he has more of a wet set up, more than Hamilton. So when he says they don't know where they will be in the dry he means only his car. That's my impression anyway.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 19:26

I didn't think Lewis was that impressive today. Nico was handling the conditions a lot better. Hopefully he will do better in the dry. :up:

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 19:29

I think he has more of a wet set up, more than Hamilton. So when he says they don't know where they will be in the dry he means only his car. That's my impression anyway.


I disagree. he may have had a different setup, but not 'more wet'. The radio traffic indicated brake balance, they were telling him Rosberg's settings? They set the car up differently, that's all. Why would either of them go for a setting that suits a wet track more, when they were familiar with Sunday's meteo?


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 19:38

I disagree. he may have had a different setup, but not 'more wet'. The radio traffic indicated brake balance, they were telling him Rosberg's settings? They set the car up differently, that's all. Why would either of them go for a setting that suits a wet track more, when they were familiar with Sunday's meteo?


You could be right! But they both had different set ups which means on must have more of a wet set up. They both knew qualy would be wet and the race dry and so I think Rosberg gambled and set up more wet so he could ace qualy (front row by his words) and then try and control the race after from the front. Hamilton could have gone for a more dry set up and therefore tried to be faster in the race...

After typing that I have changed my mind - you are most certainly wrong

Edited by amppatel, 16 March 2013 - 19:42.


#3665 Szoelloe

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 19:50

You could be right! But they both had different set ups which means on must have more of a wet set up. They both knew qualy would be wet and the race dry and so I think Rosberg gambled and set up more wet so he could ace qualy (front row by his words) and then try and control the race after from the front. Hamilton could have gone for a more dry set up and therefore tried to be faster in the race...

After typing that I have changed my mind - you are most certainly wrong


ok, then.


#3666 alframsey

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 19:54

You could be right! But they both had different set ups which means on must have more of a wet set up. They both knew qualy would be wet and the race dry and so I think Rosberg gambled and set up more wet so he could ace qualy (front row by his words) and then try and control the race after from the front. Hamilton could have gone for a more dry set up and therefore tried to be faster in the race...

After typing that I have changed my mind - you are most certainly wrong

Lol that last bit made me giggle for some reason :p

#3667 peroa

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 20:17

IMHO it was pretty obvious that Nico was "on it" already in the first few corners after they left the pits at the beginning of Q.
Seemed like he had the tyres immediately in the right temperature window.


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 20:32

What Mercedes have won Monaco already? :)

If it wasn't for his penalty, then Schumacher would of got pole at Monaco last year, and you don't do that without good mechanical grip.

#3669 halifaxf1fan

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 20:56

IMHO it was pretty obvious that Nico was "on it" already in the first few corners after they left the pits at the beginning of Q.
Seemed like he had the tyres immediately in the right temperature window.



And this was after sitting at the pit exit for a very long wait for the light to go green. His tires would have been very cool.

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 16 March 2013 - 20:58.


#3670 bonjon1979a

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 22:42

Jesus, again, so many people deciding so much on so little, everyone does realise that they only did six or so timed laps? That the track was evolving all the time, that no one but an idiot would draw any conclusions from today's times.

But wait, rosberg was 1.3 seconds faster than vettel in q1 and we all know that the red bull is 1 second quicker than merc which means that nico is 2.3 seconds quicker than vettel, squeal!!! :kiss: :kiss:


#3671 BernieEc

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 00:34

Rosberg looks mighty

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 00:34

Good show W04, Lewis P3, Rosberg P6. Super happy :wave: :wave:

Edited by akshay380, 17 March 2013 - 00:35.


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 00:35

Good show W04, Lewis P3, Rosberg P6. Super happy :wave: :wave:


Great stuff indeed!

#3674 bonjon1979a

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 00:35

2nd row. Wow. Great for merc.

#3675 Masenco

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 00:36

Over the moon!!!! Who would've thought eh?

#3676 Kerch

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 00:39

Very good indeed.

RB winning is like the sun rising. It's a fact of life.

By contrast, this improvement by Mercedes was not expected at all.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 00:41

Great job by Mercedes. Red Bull were untouchable in qualy, as everyone thought, but anything can happen in the race. :)

I'm not going to get any sleep tonight! :clap:

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 00:42

I pray for trouble free tire wear tomorrow and a good race pace. Mclaren and Ferrari tend to be really strong on weekends, especially when their qualifying pace is lacking.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 00:42

Don't think 3rd would have been achievable in bone dry. Lewis simply brilliant. Expect Webber to bog down from p2 and a Lewis vs Vettel fight to ensue.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 00:45

^^there are no results yet. It was very obvious since Barcelona that the W04 is impressive in the wet. I think it was originally Grosjean who commented on the car being supreme after a wet testing day. It was just confirmed today. Rosberg has been quite sure about that today, saying a front row in the wet was a certainty. He and Brawn also said that in the dry it is uncertain where they end up. So let's see what they can do in a dry qualy. Saying that, being so good on a wet track bodes well for the future.



I think he has more of a wet set up, more than Hamilton. So when he says they don't know where they will be in the dry he means only his car. That's my impression anyway.



I disagree. he may have had a different setup, but not 'more wet'. The radio traffic indicated brake balance, they were telling him Rosberg's settings? They set the car up differently, that's all. Why would either of them go for a setting that suits a wet track more, when they were familiar with Sunday's meteo?



You could be right! But they both had different set ups which means on must have more of a wet set up. They both knew qualy would be wet and the race dry and so I think Rosberg gambled and set up more wet so he could ace qualy (front row by his words) and then try and control the race after from the front. Hamilton could have gone for a more dry set up and therefore tried to be faster in the race...

After typing that I have changed my mind - you are most certainly wrong


Point Proven...


#3681 Neomaster121

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 00:45

Congrats Hamiton

Best of the rest and beating rosberg who was looking on fire for most of qualy

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 00:47

brilliant from Lewis and Mercedes. Great quali session, wish Rosberg was a bit higher though. He almost had me doubt Lewis being the fastest driver on the grid. He was significantly faster in wet sessions but don't know why he couldn't lock out the 2nd row...Lewis looked good in the car at the end. I just think both their setups have been a bit different or Rosberg knows better racing lines on the wet at least on this track.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 00:47

As Button well knows, you can never write off Lewis in qualifying until the chequered flag drops in Q3  ;)

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 00:48

very chuffed with lewis being 3rd!

had a small bet on rosberg being on the podium tomorrow which looks unlikely now but oh well. he was great in the wet conditions...


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 00:48

brilliant from Lewis and Mercedes. Great quali session, wish Rosberg was a bit higher though. He almost had me doubt Lewis being the fastest driver on the grid. He was significantly faster in wet sessions but don't know why he couldn't lock out the 2nd row...Lewis looked good in the car at the end. I just think both their setups have been a bit different or Rosberg knows better racing lines on the wet at least on this track.


Seems like Lewis had less wing than Rosberg, based on speed trap figures (Lewis tops at 311kph, while Rosberg is not even in the top 5 (ends at VET at 307kph).

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 00:49

Seems like Lewis had less wing than Rosberg, based on speed trap figures (Lewis tops at 311kph, while Rosberg is not even in the top 5 (ends at VET at 307kph).

Good for the race? Not so for tyre wear though

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:00

Can some one tune me in on how Mercedes' long run pace is shaping out? I think we shouldn't be too excited yet.
Schumacher was 4th here last year and could easily have been 3rd as he took Q3 very tentatively. But come race day the going was tough.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:01

Can some one tune me in on how Mercedes' long run pace is shaping out? I think we shouldn't be too excited yet.
Schumacher was 4th here last year and could easily have been 3rd as he took Q3 very tentatively. But come race day the going was tough.

We don't really know.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:02

Can some one tune me in on how Mercedes' long run pace is shaping out? I think we shouldn't be too excited yet.
Schumacher was 4th here last year and could easily have been 3rd as he took Q3 very tentatively. But come race day the going was tough.


In testing Merc was consistent and seemed to control the tires well. Not necessarily the best, but a damn sight better than last year.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:03

Going by this qualy, RB has 0.5 second on Mercedes. Not a massive gap.

#3691 slmk

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:05

Going by this qualy, RB has 0.5 second on Mercedes. Not a massive gap.


Vettel, based on 2nd flying lap sectors, would have been at least 0.9-1.0sec ahead of LH.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:09

Point Proven...


Or maybe Hamilton finally hooked up a lap?

:rolleyes:

#3693 TomNokoe

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:10

Vettels rears will be horrible of the start, a chance maybe?

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:11

Vettel, based on 2nd flying lap sectors, would have been at least 0.9-1.0sec ahead of LH.

Well, this was an exciting 2013 season!

And now the long wait until the first winter test :(

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:16

Vettel, based on 2nd flying lap sectors, would have been at least 0.9-1.0sec ahead of LH.

If that's the case FIA will probably ban something on their car. Unless race pace is not special.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:22

Vettel, based on 2nd flying lap sectors, would have been at least 0.9-1.0sec ahead of LH.

On a still drying track. Why do you think Webber and LH would not have gone faster still?

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:26

Going by this qualy, RB has 0.5 second on Mercedes. Not a massive gap.


I dont think thats the real difference between them. I mean if the difference is about half of second, then is game over for all on the grid.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:30

On a still drying track. Why do you think Webber and LH would not have gone faster still?


There was only a gap of c. 30 seconds between both drivers really. Not enough to make a significant difference.

Maybe the gap could have gone down slightly (esp. in S3), but I still see a 0.6-0.8s advantage to RBR/Vettel.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:31

I dont think thats the real difference between them. I mean if the difference is about half of second, then is game over for all on the grid.


why? I do think it's game over. RB got this wrapped up, the battle for the best of the rest will be very close, I think the Lotus might be a bit stronger than the Merc in the race


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:59

second best (maybe with Ferrari joint but likely slightly ahead) car is about where they were last year.. will be really interesting to see if they can do better as the season goes on.