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#1 eldougo

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 23:27

This name used to come up in lots of conversation i had doing research into cars over the years and also here on the TNF.
Many famous drivers names and cars came out of this racing stable and Used car lot here in Sydney.
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Started by George Leaton and Jim Robinson back in 1959 using cars they had purchased and got good drivers to steer the things.
The Lancer was driven by Brian Foley,The Sprit was driven by Doug Chivas and the Jaguar by none other than Frank Matich.


Below is a color photo of one of the first team set up in a professional way to go about racing
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#2 eldougo

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 23:37

This ad for them in the same SCW magazine got me thinking were they the 1st to start Stable Team like this in Australia or were their others before them.

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#3 GMACKIE

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 00:01

I lived about half a mile from Leaton Motors' Kingsgrove service station, in Stoney Creek Road. It must have been early to mid '50s, as I was still in primary school, but I can still remember going to look at the cars, well before 1959.

Not sure, but perhaps the 'C' Type was once Ross Dalton's?

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 00:32

I Greg thought it was the ex Frank Gardner car which he rebuilt after a smash not by him?

#5 John Ellacott

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 00:44

I lived about half a mile from Leaton Motors' Kingsgrove service station, in Stoney Creek Road. It must have been early to mid '50s, as I was still in primary school, but I can still remember going to look at the cars, well before 1959.

Not sure, but perhaps the 'C' Type was once Ross Dalton's?

I lived half a mile from the Banksia car yard ( still do ) and got to know Frank etc. It was Joe Robinson by the way.
This would be 1958 and they had recently bought the C Type from Frank Gardner and it was painted BRG.
Ross Dalton was the next owner after Leatons bought the D Type from Bill Pitt ( or Mrs. Anderson )
Yes, probably the first team of its type in Australia, although I may be wrong, another car that ran in the colours shown above was the AC Ace.
I went to Longford in March 1960 when Frank drove the D Type in the TT. Shortly after the Lotus 15 arrived for Frank to drive and Doug Chivas took over driving the Jaguar.Joe Hills was the chief mechanic then and Barry Carr followed later.
Great days :)

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 01:34

Sorry to stray a bit, but did you know Ted Proctor, John? Spoke to Ted a while back, and he seems to be going well.....he's painting landscapes and nudes [sounds good to me]. He's now in Bellingen.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 01:54

Thanks for the info John.That would be the AC-Ace Bristol that Doug Chivas drove in 1959 at Bathurst. I also found a H.Kwech ( Unknown )who drove the Sprit at the same meeting , Then a year later Frank Matich drove the Lotus 15 Climax under the Leaton colors.
Do we know what happened to Sprit i see that it gained a Simca motor ,i guess the little Motor could not go any faster.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 02:04

..... I also found a H.Kwech ( Unknown )who drove the Sprit at the same meeting , .....

That'd be Horst Kwech. http://www.google.co...355534169,d.aGc

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 02:19

Thanks David ,i do know that name ,however always consider him to be a Yank,Great to learn TNF strikes again.
Like i said in the first post Famous drivers in the Leaton Stable.



#10 MatthewMagilton

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 02:20

Yes, probably the first team of its type in Australia, although I may be wrong,


Although there were teams pre-war like the Lanes Motors and Britannia Motors MG teams.

Matthew.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 04:35

Thanks for the info John.That would be the AC-Ace Bristol that Doug Chivas drove in 1959 at Bathurst. I also found a H.Kwech ( Unknown )who drove the Sprit at the same meeting , Then a year later Frank Matich drove the Lotus 15 Climax under the Leaton colors.
Do we know what happened to Sprit i see that it gained a Simca motor ,i guess the little Motor could not go any faster.

The Simca-engined Sprite [if it's the same car] went to Bill Jamieson,BP Engadine. John Leffler drove it for a while after sorting out engine problems. The Simca engine ended up in an Austin A-30, belonging to a Sutherland lad, who surprised the unwary at the traffic lights.


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Posted 31 December 2012 - 04:40

Do we know what happened to Sprit i see that it gained a Simca motor ,i guess the little Motor could not go any faster.


and, (supplementary), Do we know what Simca motor?? the Simca four is very similar to a BMC A Series (more go faster bits probably available anyway?)...or was it a 2-4L V8 ex-Vedette...

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 05:47

I have been told that it was a 4 cyl motor not to over power the little Bugeye .

Using the TNF MrJohn Medley great Bathurst Book i see that Doug Chivas drove the D type in 1959/60.

Frank Matich went to drive the Lotus 15 for a few years then moved on to greater heights.

Brian Foley seem to stop racing the Lancer and went to drive a Kinsley motors Sprite.Unknown if same car or not.

Foley ended up in a Austin FarinaA40 and competed against Peter Manton in a Lancer an J.Malcolm in another Lancer
I wonder if any of these car were the ex Foley car??? from the Leaton Stable.

Matthew......Thanks for the info i wonder if you could supply any more details re the teams .

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 05:59

Hullo Doug;
Wasn't the Kinsley Motors Sprite a lightweight that raced in Appendix K?
From memory it was painted BRG with red'white and blue GT stripes over the hardtop.
Another thing that sticks in my mind it had wire wheels.
One thing for sure for what it was it went like stink. :lol:
At a very wet Farm meeting it caused quite a stir I think.
Working from memory of course. :lol:
Cheers.
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 06:24

Originally posted by 275 GTB-4
.....Do we know what Simca motor?? the Simca four is very similar to a BMC A Series (more go faster bits probably available anyway?)...or was it a 2-4L V8 ex-Vedette...


The Simca Flash motor, which was 1290cc and had a 3-bearing crank...

The only real similarity I can think of with the A-series is that it had four cylinders, four spark plugs and eight valves.

Dissimilar were the following: Bore/stroke ratio way more oversquare; alloy head; designed to be its ultimate capacity, not stretched beyond the limits of the original design.

Of course, anyone who ever saw the engine bay of a Sprite would never contemplate fitting a V8 in there, even the small flathead Ford as fitted to the Vedette in a road race car.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 07:07

Horst Kwech grew up around the Snowy Mountains and went to live in the USA, where he was a player in Trans-Am racing.

There was a very good story about him a few months ago in Australian Muscle Car magazine.



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Posted 31 December 2012 - 13:58

The Simca Flash motor, which was 1290cc and had a 3-bearing crank...

The only real similarity I can think of with the A-series is that it had four cylinders, four spark plugs and eight valves.

Dissimilar were the following: Bore/stroke ratio way more oversquare; alloy head; designed to be its ultimate capacity, not stretched beyond the limits of the original design.

Of course anyone who ever saw the engine bay of a Sprite would never contemplate fitting a V8 in there, even the small flathead Ford as fitted to the Vedette in a road race car.


Droll, very droll, go to any engine builder and they will tell you that there are a lot of similarities between Flash and A Series.....

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 21:11

Oh yes, the coupling between the distributor and its drive are similar...

But, seeing as the Simca engine was based on the pre-war Fiat 1100 engine, I fail to see there's much chance of anything else.

In fact, I will say that your statement it totally false. The whole makeup of the BMC engine is dominated by the fact that the camshaft is on the left and the ignition on the right. This places the pushrods in between the ports, creating the well-known need for the siamesing of the ports, while it also means that the distributor drive crosses from one side of the engine to the other.

The Simca is far more conventional in that it has the ignition on the left where it belongs, right on the camshaft. The pushrods go up between the plugs and the other side of the head is left for ports and manifold. Additionally, the Simca has one long side plate over the cam followers while the BMC engine has two smaller plates.

Why do you have to create arguments like this, Mick?

#19 GMACKIE

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 21:58

Now, now girls. I would like to see some stories about Leaton Motors, and their very successful team.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 23:14

Put the handbags away Girls and Happy New Year.
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Now this famous car was sold on the used car lot of Leaton motors who know what it is.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 02:08

More info found.

The C type was the Dr Boorman car imported from UK in 1955 and wrote it off in a creek after going through a guard rail of a bridge near Tamworth NSW.

It was bought as a write-off by Whale beach Jaguar exponent Frank Gardner who rebuilt it and race until he went to Uk in 1958 and Leaton Motors bought to add to the yellow& Black color racing stable.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 02:33

Put the handbags away Girls and Happy New Year.
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Now this famous car was sold on the used car lot of Leaton motors who know what it is.


Is it an early Lotus?

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 03:29

Put the handbags away Girls and Happy New Year.
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Now this famous car was sold on the used car lot of Leaton motors who know what it is.

I'd reckon it's a 49 Fraser Nash Le Mans

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 03:29

Is that Austin Tauranac's Ralt sportscar Doug?

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 03:52

I can remember at I believe the 3rd meeting at the Farm there was a Mk 1 Sprite with a Simca motor but if my memory serves me correctly it had a removal fibreglass bonnet but with the headlights in the guards & not in the bonnet as per a standard Sprite.

The Malcom Lancer was more of a Sports Sedan than a road going car as most of the panels were of glass with the whole bonnet / guards being of one piece.

I was lucky enough to live about 1 mile from Leaton Motors at Banksia, at the bottom of our street I remember the C Type passing at more than the legal speed with its racing exhaust system making nothing but sweet music.

It was at Leaton Motors that's I first saw a Berkeley, used to ride my push bike over there to look at the cars, this would have been between 1956/58



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Posted 01 January 2013 - 08:26

Not a Lotus, not a Frazer Nash

My guess, looking at the dashboard, would be an MG special

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 09:56


It is Austin Tauranac's Ralt sportscar .PAT well done it a bad photo i know .

I call it Ralt 2 Built in 1951 by Austin& Ron it was black in color and was powered by a 1172 cc Ford 10 motor and had a Standard 10 gearbox using a underslung chassis ,road rego and he drive it to the tracks,there is a good photo of it in the Bathurst book page 113. Easter meeting.
It was sold when Austin got married and driven around the Sydney area before it ended up on the Used lot at Leaton Motors and went to Queensland where in time it was crashed and written -off. Info found from QTA records KJ-989 was cancelled 1969. Its were about to this day remains a mystery.

Big scrap heap in the sky my guess.


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 00:43

Horst Kwech grew up around the Snowy Mountains and went to live in the USA, where he was a player in Trans-Am racing.

There was a very good story about him a few months ago in Australian Muscle Car magazine.



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Thanks for the compliment Bruce...! :wave:

According to my interview notes, Horst raced his Austin Healey 100 in the Bathurst October 58 meeting under the Leaton Motors banner and then the Sprite at the October 59 meeting for Leaton Motors. By this time Doug Chivas had graduated to the AC Ace and Frank Matich was in the Jaguar D Type.

Horst was very friendly with the Matichs (maybe that is the reason for the Leaton Motors connection?) and they competed against each other in Healeys at Mt Druitt. According to Horst they met up again in US F5000 where Horst is quoted as saying that he was quicker than Frank! However, according to subsequent research, Horst ran a Lola T300 in the 72 series whilst Frank raced his Matich A51 in the 73 US series only, so I don't believe they competed against each other.

Horst didn't have much to say about how the arrangement came about to race the Leaton Motors Sprite. At that time he was building his Buchanan bodied special the RM Spyder that he debuted at Gnoo Blas in January 1960. Maybe he was hoping to debut his own car at Bathurst and ran out of time? It was certainly a sideways step for him to race the Sprite...



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Posted 02 January 2013 - 01:50

Sorry to stray a bit, but did you know Ted Proctor, John? Spoke to Ted a while back, and he seems to be going well.....he's painting landscapes and nudes [sounds good to me]. He's now in Bellingen.

Greg
Do not know the name. Was he connected to Leaton Motors ?
John

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 02:01

Thanks for the compliment Bruce...! :wave:

According to my interview notes, Horst raced his Austin Healey 100 in the Bathurst October 58 meeting under the Leaton Motors banner and then the Sprite at the October 59 meeting for Leaton Motors. By this time Doug Chivas had graduated to the AC Ace and Frank Matich was in the Jaguar D Type.

Horst was very friendly with the Matichs (maybe that is the reason for the Leaton Motors connection?) and they competed against each other in Healeys at Mt Druitt. According to Horst they met up again in US F5000 where Horst is quoted as saying that he was quicker than Frank! However, according to subsequent research, Horst ran a Lola T300 in the 72 series whilst Frank raced his Matich A51 in the 73 US series only, so I don't believe they competed against each other.

Horst didn't have much to say about how the arrangement came about to race the Leaton Motors Sprite. At that time he was building his Buchanan bodied special the RM Spyder that he debuted at Gnoo Blas in January 1960. Maybe he was hoping to debut his own car at Bathurst and ran out of time? It was certainly a sideways step for him to race the Sprite...

Hi Paul
Is your article available to read online ?
I remember Horst Kwech in an Austin Healey at one of the first race meetings at Mt Druitt I attended where he impressed with his speed.
I recall the commentator linking the words Kwech and quick !
John

#31 GMACKIE

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 02:01

Greg
Do not know the name. Was he connected to Leaton Motors ?
John

Thought you may have known Ted, as he lived in Hattersley St. He built and raced some interesting cars, including the Manx.


#32 Paul Newby

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:13

Hi Paul
Is your article available to read online ?
I remember Horst Kwech in an Austin Healey at one of the first race meetings at Mt Druitt I attended where he impressed with his speed.
I recall the commentator linking the words Kwech and quick !
John


Hi John,

Check your PMs.

Cheers, Paul

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:55

Your right Dan the headlights were blended to the front of the body unknown if it was a glass one or they just removed the Popeyes .
This idea they copied from the Frank Gardner Jaguar Streamlining, which helped the little car top the ton on the Gnoo Blas straight with Doug Chivas driving it first time out.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:28

While looking for more info i came across a Bankrupt file dated 1960 listing .

George B Wormleaton and J J Robinson from Leaton Motors.and how said the motor
racing was not expensive ,However they somehow keep going until 1962.

I never heard the name Wormleaton news to me.
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On the racing side Team Leaton still ran cars Easter1961 Bathurst Jaguar /Chivas, Lotus 15 /Matich.
down to a 2 car Leaton stable.
Then in 1962 Frank Matich was the only entry still driving the Lotus19 at the Easter meeting Bathurst.

Then i guess it all folded up the money had gone and Frank Matich had Team Total Lotus 19 entered
Easter 1963 ,so i guess that is the end of the Leaton Stable yellow and black cars that brought a Professional
look to Australia motor sport scene if only for a sort term.
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Do we know if how long did the used car lot keep going or was it renamed and they trade on until???

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