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Lewis @ Mercedes: the biggest mistake of his career?


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Poll: Lewis Hamilton has made a terrible mistake (562 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. Nah man, he's gonna be great, relax (255 votes [45.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.62%

  2. He'll probably beat Rosberg, the rest is someone else's responsibility (144 votes [25.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.76%

  3. No biggie, he'll be back at Mclaren in 2016 (46 votes [8.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.23%

  4. OH SHI- (114 votes [20.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.39%

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#401 Bartonz20let

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 10:02

Well if Merc can continue to progress as they have over the last 3 months Lewis could have made a very smart move, can't see him being anywhere near Seb at the end if the season but I can't see past Seb as WDC.

The difference from McLaren to the other 4 seems to have grown not got smaller since testing so what's left of my support for McLaren worries for them.

Another interesting chapter in the Lewis Hamilton saga

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#402 LeonardoV

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 10:30

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#403 Gareth

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 10:35

I'm still in the way too early camp. After the first 4 races of 2012, it was impossible to tell the true pecking order for the season. I'm not willing to call it after just 2 FP sessions.

#404 Risil

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 10:56

Another interesting chapter in the Lewis Hamilton saga


:up:

#405 undersquare

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 14:20

I'm still in the way too early camp. After the first 4 races of 2012, it was impossible to tell the true pecking order for the season. I'm not willing to call it after just 2 FP sessions.


It's too early to predict anything confidently but what are we anticipating?

Vettel vs Hamilton vs Alonso for the title?

That alone makes it 'not a mistake'.


#406 RoutariEnjinu

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 14:47

As of now it looks like he's in the right seat. Come a handful of races in, it might look like a terrible decision (for 2013 at least).

As for the final verdict, I guess you need to wait for the 2009 Red Bull equivalent to appear a few races in to 2013 to call it.

Edited by RoutariEnjinu, 15 March 2013 - 14:48.


#407 Bartonz20let

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 15:20

As of now it looks like he's in the right seat. Come a handful of races in, it might look like a terrible decision (for 2013 at least).

As for the final verdict, I guess you need to wait for the 2009 Red Bull equivalent to appear a few races in to 2013 to call it.


Judging by the on board shots I think Perez might be contemplating his decision at this moment in time. Seems the McLaren might be a bit of a handful for some time yet and if it is fundamentally flawed (tbc), with 2014 on the horizon Lewis decision looks better all the time.

#408 mclarensmps

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 15:35

Definitely looks like he made the right move for himself *at the moment*!

#409 Smitla321

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 15:37

In the words of Kryten "Smug mode" :up:

Lets hope it lasts!!

Edited by Smitla321, 15 March 2013 - 15:37.


#410 Markn93

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 15:38

Yes. Why did he wait until 2013?

#411 1Devil1

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 15:42

Judging by the on board shots I think Perez might be contemplating his decision at this moment in time. Seems the McLaren might be a bit of a handful for some time yet and if it is fundamentally flawed (tbc), with 2014 on the horizon Lewis decision looks better all the time.


Lewis made the right decision, Perez made the wrong decision. Vettel will be the champions. What's next prediction of all races just after two practice sessions. :rolleyes:

#412 ViMaMo

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 15:42

Its great to see Lewis start off well (little premature though) in a new team, taking a big risk. But I hope it all works out for him. :up: :up: :up:
Superb driver.

#413 Andy35

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 15:46

Button had a very interesting time on teams and who he was going to go for in the Honda / Williams years and then ended up at Brawn and then McLaren getting the benefits.

But it does make you wonder how much is luck. Not even the aero guys know for sure of course until very late.

Lets see.

I'd just would have had Lewis at RB for this year.

Now that would have been very very tasty indeed for F1whores like me and you.

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#414 Bartonz20let

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 15:47

Lewis made the right decision, Perez made the wrong decision. Vettel will be the champions. What's next prediction of all races just after two practice sessions. :rolleyes:


I'm not sure i said Perez made the wrong decision but yes I do think LH has made the right decision (even if the car comes good) because many factors not always related to the car have an influence, I can't see how it's a bad one unless things go backwards quickly.

And yes, past form included if I were a betting man is be putting a big X next to SV for WDC on my slip.

Edited by Bartonz20let, 15 March 2013 - 15:49.


#415 IC225

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 20:15

For Perez its a good move as long as he beats Button, whether McL is good or bad it doesn't matter.

Either way he is bound to score more points than last year.

#416 femi

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 02:17

LH preferred sabatical to Mclaren


“Lewis told me that he would have rather taken a year off. I don’t know why it came to blows. In fairness to Lewis, he didn’t leave McLaren over money. I don’t know what it was because of but it wasn’t to do with money. He just wanted a change I think. He probably thought he had been there long enough and wanted to move on.”

- Bernie Ecclestone

Edited by femi, 16 March 2013 - 02:20.


#417 halifaxf1fan

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 02:32

Ron Dennis would drive anyone crazy. It is just a matter of how much a person can take.

#418 Juggles

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 02:44

My only worry about Hamilton moving to Mercedes was a McLaren driver winning the 2013 season. I always said that in 2014 and beyond the move could have failed but still would have been a logical move given the regulation change.

Simply seeing where the McLaren seems to stand at the moment is a bit of a weight off my mind for that reason, and the Mercedes' pace is an unexpected bonus. Before the season started I picked Button as favourite for the championship, and to be fair we are still "before the season started," but if McLaren can't turn it round very soon I think they will get left behind. I do not see Red Bull giving them the chance to catch up.

#419 pRy

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 19:32

Well if how happy and relaxed Lewis appeared to be in his post qualifying interview today is anything to go by then he's made the right decision.

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#420 ForzaGTR

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 00:54

I reckon Lewis is kicking himself right now :smoking:

#421 klyster

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 00:58

:lol:

#422 BernieEc

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:01

pleasantly happy, very surprised, 2nd row for a Merc car (LH) what more can I ask for.

just noticed the normal haters that frequented the thread to air their "different' view have surprise...surprise disappeared.

here's to jumping Webber at the start and a DNF for Seb and LH claiming first race win this year in the first drive for Mercedes :smoking:

Edited by BernieEc, 17 March 2013 - 01:02.


#423 klyster

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:16

Here's hoping BernieEc ;)

#424 Xeriks

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:45

pleasantly happy, very surprised, 2nd row for a Merc car (LH) what more can I ask for.

just noticed the normal haters that frequented the thread to air their "different' view have surprise...surprise disappeared.

here's to jumping Webber at the start and a DNF for Seb and LH claiming first race win this year in the first drive for Mercedes :smoking:

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#425 choyothe

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:48

Well so far Lewis pretty much equalled Nico's performance of last year's quali. OTOH Mclaren has dropped from the front row to fighting to get into Q3 so Lewis definitely made the right choice in order to achieve the best possible grid slot for the 2013 Australian GP. :up:

#426 Kelateboy

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:52

My only worry about Hamilton moving to Mercedes was a McLaren driver winning the 2013 season. I always said that in 2014 and beyond the move could have failed but still would have been a logical move given the regulation change.

It is very early to say with any degree of certainty especially after only 1 Qualifying session, but that is not going to happen this year.

By the time McLaren sort out their cars, Button/Perez' competitors would be long gone!

#427 F1ultimate

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:16

Hamilton 1
Mclaren 0


This is the best start he could have had. Beating both Mclaren drivers in both quali and the race. Very embarrassing for Mclaren, especially with Perez outside the points. It's very easy to take Lewis for granted, and many forget that he can make a bad car look good which is what he had done multiple times in a Mclaren.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:18

he shoudl replace Gro in Lotus and we would have best pairing on the grid with good car

#429 Kingshark

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:26

Mercedes weren't great today, but definitely better than McLaren. In short sight, yes he's made the right decision.

#430 sheepgobba

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:29

Ron Dennis would drive anyone crazy. It is just a matter of how much a person can take.


This :up:

McLaren's strict ethos can eventually become too much for its drivers i think

#431 ViMaMo

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:35

Hamilton 1
Mclaren 0


This is the best start he could have had. Beating both Mclaren drivers in both quali and the race. Very embarrassing for Mclaren, especially with Perez outside the points. It's very easy to take Lewis for granted, and many forget that he can make a bad car look good which is what he had done multiple times in a Mclaren.


Its 10-2 :cool:


#432 Xeriks

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:37

Hamilton 1
Mclaren 0


This is the best start he could have had. Beating both Mclaren drivers in both quali and the race. Very embarrassing for Mclaren, especially with Perez outside the points. It's very easy to take Lewis for granted, and many forget that he can make a bad car look good which is what he had done multiple times in a Mclaren.

I hope this doesn't become a thing? rating every single race with a score between Hamilton and Mclaren, he left the team, let it go already.

#433 Raziel

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:41

Mercedes weren't great today, but definitely better than McLaren. In short sight, yes he's made the right decision.


Allow me to correct you..

yes, so far he's made the right decision after one race. The real, full answer is waiting at the end of the Brazil Grand Prix 2013.. until then, this thread and all comments in it are pointless. Even after the end of 2013 season, we´ll have to wait for the end of 2014, and then 2015 to get complete, real picture if Lewis to Mercedes was successful or not.

#434 Xeriks

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:45

Allow me to correct you..

yes, so far he's made the right decision after one race. The real, full answer is waiting at the end of the Brazil Grand Prix 2013.. until then, this thread and all comments in it are pointless. Even after the end of 2013 season, we´ll have to wait for the end of 2014, and then 2015 to get complete, real picture if Lewis to Mercedes was successful or not.

Make that 2014, that's the year Hamilton is expecting some big results.

#435 garoidb

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:56

Make that 2014, that's the year Hamilton is expecting some big results.


Yes, that is when we will know for sure. In a way, though, if McLaren continue to have a poor 2013 (and maybe 2014) then it makes the bar lower in terms of the decision paying off.

#436 Coral

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:32

I can see already that it's not a mistake. Have you seen Lewis's recent interviews? He looks full of the joys of Spring. I have noticed it and so have others...even Johnny Herbert said yesterday that the Lewis we are seeing now is the Lewis of 2007. However good the Mercedes is, Lewis's joining them has been a success.

#437 femi

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 11:12

Allow me to correct you..

yes, so far he's made the right decision after one race. The real, full answer is waiting at the end of the Brazil Grand Prix 2013.. until then, this thread and all comments in it are pointless. Even after the end of 2013 season, we´ll have to wait for the end of 2014, and then 2015 to get complete, real picture if Lewis to Mercedes was successful or not.


lol, how do you define JBs move to Mclaren, a success of failure and btw, how do you call Alonso's move to ferrari?

#438 garoidb

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 11:30

I can see already that it's not a mistake. Have you seen Lewis's recent interviews? He looks full of the joys of Spring. I have noticed it and so have others...even Johnny Herbert said yesterday that the Lewis we are seeing now is the Lewis of 2007. However good the Mercedes is, Lewis's joining them has been a success.


Even in terms of his own happiness, it is too early to tell. How long did it take for him to become unhappy at McLaren? Two years or so, wasn't it? This is the honeymoon period, so it would be shocking if he was unhappy in the team now.

As long as McLaren are not winning, he has no need for regrets anyway.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 11:47

I hope this doesn't become a thing? rating every single race with a score between Hamilton and Mclaren, he left the team, let it go already.

Couldn't agree more!

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:21

I hope this doesn't become a thing? rating every single race with a score between Hamilton and Mclaren, he left the team, let it go already.

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#441 MirNyet

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 13:01

I hope this doesn't become a thing? rating every single race with a score between Hamilton and Mclaren, he left the team, let it go already.


Well, it's in context to the subject of the thread. Was leaving McLaren a mistake? So, a running score is entirely correct within that question. As a McLaren fan, it stings, especially considering the pair of planks they have in the car (regardless of its performance) but it is on topic.

That aside, well done to both Kimmi and Lewis, great race by both and both seem very happy with their choices.



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Posted 17 March 2013 - 13:23

I hope this doesn't become a thing? rating every single race with a score between Hamilton and Mclaren, he left the team, let it go already.


I agree! But you can be damned sure that the comparison will be made with a particular venom if today's outcome was reversed. The noise from Hamilton's detractors would be deafening - they seem strangely quiet at the moment.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 13:26

I agree! But you can be damned sure that the comparison will be made with a particular venom if today's outcome was reversed. The noise from Hamilton's detractors would be deafening - they seem strangely quiet at the moment.

for sure.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 14:51

LH is a hugely talented driver and it was a shame that he did not win more than 1 WDC title @ Mclaren and in all likelihood, this would have been another barren year had he remained there. In that regard, not winning the title this year at Merc cannot be described as a failure whatever happens but there is one difference, he is a happier man...

He has moved to a team that has finally learnt how to build a good racing car and are hungry for successes and with resources to back it up and are looking to him to help them achieve that, but with challenges of thier own including proving they are masters at in-season car development and by all appearances, LH and his new team are accepting that challenge head on. There is excitment in the air rather than the predictable failure at Mclaren.

A top driver like LH should not be expected to maintain the required level of motivation in a team like Mclaren, a team that no longer knows how to win simply because it does not know how to maximize her resources but instead has become highly adept at substituting success with failure.

A mistake moving to Merc, a big NO!

Edited by femi, 17 March 2013 - 15:19.


#445 RealRacing

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 15:37

If LH wanted to prove he can win in a slower car, he should have stayed at McLaren...

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 15:39

He may win the odd race with the team, but challenging for the championship. forget about it.

Edited by Massa_f1, 17 March 2013 - 15:39.


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 16:28

He may win the odd race with the team, but challenging for the championship. forget about it.


Button says McLaren recovery will be long process


At least he's likley to do better than if he were driving a McLaren this year.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 16:32

If LH wanted to prove he can win in a slower car, he should have stayed at McLaren...


:rotfl: Ron Dennis is gonna have you assassinated for that :lol:

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 16:41

:rotfl: Ron Dennis is gonna have you assassinated for that :lol:


Of course I don't know the inner workings at McLAren, but wouldn't it have been better, taking into account the changes in 2014, to just use a development of the 2012 car, which was already pretty good? On the other hand, they may have chosen to discard this year and use it as a development one for 2014. And here I am answering myself...

One thing is for sure, Pérez must be going, "DOH"...

#450 f1fastestlap

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 17:06

If LH wanted to prove he can win in a slower car, he should have stayed at McLaren...


He already proved that...