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#451 Alexis*27

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:41

Bit gutted McNish is going to the BBC - he was great when he was on Sky. Presumably they'll be less time to feature him though with Davidson appearing more since his back injury.

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#452 Andy35

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 13:06

A dedicated F1 channel
Live coverage of all races
Live coverage of pre-season testing (first time ever that's been done)
Dedicated F1 programs

despite all of this they don't care about F1 because they hire the wrong presenter.... ok. It can't be denied that are in it to make a profit.... but still... they've but quite a large amount of effort into coverage.


They don't care about F1 not because of the wrong presenter but because Sky Go coverage on the PC is about 30 seconds behind real time. About 15 seconds behind BBC also. When you are watching it on the PC so you can login to Autosport live to get the live chat it is fecking useless having it half a lap behind, especially in qualy.

Asked Sky about this. Technically it is not possible. Funny that considering even the illegal stream of Sky gets it on 20 seconds before them. So not only are they idiots they are liars too.

Bunch of jokers.

Apart from that

HUGE

problem it is all really good.

;)

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 13:48

They don't care about F1 not because of the wrong presenter but because Sky Go coverage on the PC is about 30 seconds behind real time. About 15 seconds behind BBC also. When you are watching it on the PC so you can login to Autosport live to get the live chat it is fecking useless having it half a lap behind, especially in qualy.

Asked Sky about this. Technically it is not possible. Funny that considering even the illegal stream of Sky gets it on 20 seconds before them. So not only are they idiots they are liars too.

Bunch of jokers.

Apart from that

HUGE

problem it is all really good.


;)

Andy


That's a huge problem? Nice to know you have a perspective on things.


#454 Clatter

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 13:50

The BBC announcement does not specify which nine races it will be covering live, apart from Canada, Britain and Brazil. Have they announced the full line-up previously?

It's nice to see that the practice sessions (for the live races) will now be broadcast on the network, rather than on the red button. I will now be able to Sky+ them.


http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/17238688

#455 Longtimefan

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 14:00

The best thing Sky have done is get rid of that awful woman!

I'll be watching all the races on that, also it still really irks me that the BBC say 'all the races'
They don't show all, only half.

Highlights do not count imo, its live or nothing!

The only thing I'd change on Sky is Crofty, his tendency to yell does annoy me (although he doesn't seem to yell as much as Edwards) if I could pick, I'd have Brundle as main commentator and DC as backup, as I thought they both did a superb job in uh 2009 was it? They started off a little shaky but soon were really really good.

Reminded me of the good old 'Murray and James' days :)


#456 Clatter

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 14:03

The best thing Sky have done is get rid of that awful woman!

I'll be watching all the races on that, also it still really irks me that the BBC say 'all the races'
They don't show all, only half.


Highlights do not count imo, its live or nothing!

The only thing I'd change on Sky is Crofty, his tendency to yell does annoy me (although he doesn't seem to yell as much as Edwards) if I could pick, I'd have Brundle as main commentator and DC as backup, as I thought they both did a superb job in uh 2009 was it? They started off a little shaky but soon were really really good.

Reminded me of the good old 'Murray and James' days :)


I agree they are being deliberately mis-leading, but they do show all the races, just not all live, or in full.

#457 Absulute

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 15:44

BBC are showing the TBA race on 21 July. Anyone know why this race is still TBA or where it's likely to be?

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 15:55

BBC are showing the TBA race on 21 July. Anyone know why this race is still TBA or where it's likely to be?


It was supposed to be the New Jersey GP, but that's been delayed until 2014 I believe. There are rumours that Turkey could possibly make a return and fill the slot but that's highly unlikely imo. It's TBA because hypothetically it could still happen, realistically though I would think it's already too late for any race to be held in that timeslot now..

#459 olliek88

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 16:58

Some good news about Tom Clarkson getting the pit lane reporter role, he's pretty switched on/knowledgeable and articulate too, also nice that the practise coverage will "generally"* be shown on BBC2/HD.

I will definitely watch some of the beebs pre/post race coverage this year to see how Suzy/Tom get on and how it all works. I'll stick to Sky for most of the pre/post races (unless the beeb wins me back over, which is far from impossible!) although i'll stick to Sky for all actual races, personally i really liked Crofty and Brundle, it felt a little easier on my ears than Ben Edwards, DC is pretty sound though.

Either way, the two broadcaster situation appears to be working pretty well, clearly they are pushing each other on and ultimately its the viewers who get more, both in terms of quality and quantity.



*Generally? Hmmmm.

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#460 MinT

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 17:19

All this back and forth I love Sky/BBC post and counter post stuff is getting very boring.

Hopefully we can get back to discussing real coverage once the season starts.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 19:37

*Generally? Hmmmm.


Not too surprising, they can't guarantee BBC2 will always be available to show F1 practice. Looking at the list, the British Grand Prix is going to clash with Wimbledon again, though this time the middle weekend so the race won't clash with any matches, while the Brazilian practice in the evening is when BBC Two starts showing new programmes. Practice will probably be confined to the red button at those times.

#462 mattferg

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 20:04

Sky aren't even showing any races/FP/Qualifying in 3D, Brundle accidentally let that one slip during testing.

#463 D.M.N.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 20:23

Sky aren't even showing any races/FP/Qualifying in 3D, Brundle accidentally let that one slip during testing.

That's not Sky's fault though, FOM own all the footage during a race weekend - and are not going to let Sky plonk a load of cameras around the circuit just like that.

#464 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 20:25

Sky aren't even showing any races/FP/Qualifying in 3D, Brundle accidentally let that one slip during testing.


Nobody expected any coverage in 3D on race weekends. It was Sky doing 3D, not FOM, and it's FOM that do the races.

#465 JeanClaude

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 21:39

Some good news about Tom Clarkson getting the pit lane reporter role, he's pretty switched on/knowledgeable and articulate too, also nice that the practise coverage will "generally"* be shown on BBC2/HD.

I will definitely watch some of the beebs pre/post race coverage this year to see how Suzy/Tom get on and how it all works. I'll stick to Sky for most of the pre/post races (unless the beeb wins me back over, which is far from impossible!) although i'll stick to Sky for all actual races, personally i really liked Crofty and Brundle, it felt a little easier on my ears than Ben Edwards, DC is pretty sound though.

Either way, the two broadcaster situation appears to be working pretty well, clearly they are pushing each other on and ultimately its the viewers who get more, both in terms of quality and quantity.

*Generally? Hmmmm.

I very much agree with you
Will stick with Sky too because they have all the races but will see how Suzy/Tom venture and of course the BBC forum
Didn't Tom sub for McKenzie sometime last year?
In that case I see Lee leaving the BBC after being passed over for the presenter job by Suzy.

Lee and DC to Sky next year and all will be perfect there  ;)

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#466 midgrid

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 21:47

Didn't Tom sub for McKenzie sometime last year?


Yes, when she was in turn substituting for Humphrey when he was on Olympics duty.

Edited by midgrid, 06 March 2013 - 21:48.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 21:55

Yes, when she was in turn substituting for Humphrey when he was on Olympics duty.

OK thanks :up:

No need for 2 pitlane reporters in the long run
My guess is that Lee is on her way out

JC

#468 Massa_f1

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 22:16

OK thanks :up:

No need for 2 pitlane reporters in the long run
My guess is that Lee is on her way out

JC


Exactly. What is Lee supposed to do now? Her News 24 show. That's will be about it if Tom does all the interviews.

No real need to add tom to the lineup

#469 onemoresolo

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 14:03

They don't care about F1 not because of the wrong presenter but because Sky Go coverage on the PC is about 30 seconds behind real time. About 15 seconds behind BBC also. When you are watching it on the PC so you can login to Autosport live to get the live chat it is fecking useless having it half a lap behind, especially in qualy.


Yep, they should totally scrap Sky Go and giving people an alternative method of watching if they're away from their box, because a 30 second delay renders it useless. They just don't care.

Asked Sky about this. Technically it is not possible. Funny that considering even the illegal stream of Sky gets it on 20 seconds before them. So not only are they idiots they are liars too.


Definitely liars. Because somebody else with an amateur set up can stream it within 10 seconds, then so should Sky. The fact they have to optimise their compression ratios on the fly to ensure stability due to potentially high server loads (that streams are rarely subjected to - they just drop out instead) and factor in DRM etc has absolutely no bearing.

I've seen plenty of anti-Sky rantings over the last 18-months, but this has to be the most pointless to date.


#470 David Lightman

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 16:53

KERR-CHING! Sky raise prices. What a surprise.

http://www.f1fanatic...-now-tv-stream/

#471 Clatter

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 17:07

KERR-CHING! Sky raise prices. What a surprise.

http://www.f1fanatic...-now-tv-stream/


I bet you haven't read it properly.

#472 olliek88

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 17:35

KERR-CHING! Sky raise prices. What a surprise.

http://www.f1fanatic...-now-tv-stream/


Except for the 4.5 million who already have a HD subscription....

Edited by olliek88, 07 March 2013 - 17:36.


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 17:37

I bet you haven't read it properly.

I suspect that is the case too! But as an existing HD pack subscriber (I switched to Sky from the start of last season) I am wondering just how long Sky will wait before extending this treatment to all its customers.

#474 Massa_f1

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 17:41

I really hope Sky don't cut the channel off for us HD subscribers next year. Or that will be me out. I consider what the price is at the moment to be reasonable. I refuse to get the full sports pack just for 9 or 10 races a year. I am sure I would not be the only one to drop out of the Sky Sports F1 channel if that's case.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 17:48

I really hope Sky don't cut the channel off for us HD subscribers next year. Or that will be me out. I consider what the price is at the moment to be reasonable. I refuse to get the full sports pack just for 9 or 10 races a year. I am sure I would not be the only one to drop out of the Sky Sports F1 channel if that's case.

I am in the exact same boat. If it really must leave the HD pack then I hope they give some offer (which is highly unlikely I know) where you can just subscribe to the F1 channel for a reduced fee (I mean reduced from the full Sky Sports Package fee). Hell, if you can subscribe to a single porno channel (I assume you can, but I don't know!) why can you not just subscribe to the F1 channel?

#476 olliek88

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 17:49

I really hope Sky don't cut the channel off for us HD subscribers next year. Or that will be me out. I consider what the price is at the moment to be reasonable. I refuse to get the full sports pack just for 9 or 10 races a year. I am sure I would not be the only one to drop out of the Sky Sports F1 channel if that's case.


Sky do have that NOW TV thing starting up, £9.99 a race might not be a bargain but if its only for those 9 extra races then thats "only" £89.91. Now idea if there's any initial setup up costs to take into account though, or any potential quality and delay issues but its a cheaper option if Sky do take it away from existing HD customers next year, if they do then that is something i might look into to be honest.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 18:01

Mighty glad I subscribed to Sky before the price hike next month. Shall have to hone my haggling skills over the next 12 months as I doubt HD subscribers will continue to receive the F1 channel indefinitely.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 18:16

Mighty glad I subscribed to Sky before the price hike next month. Shall have to hone my haggling skills over the next 12 months as I doubt HD subscribers will continue to receive the F1 channel indefinitely.



They've got wise to the massive half price discounts. I only got 10% off this year.


#479 Massa_f1

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 18:37

Sky do have that NOW TV thing starting up, £9.99 a race might not be a bargain but if its only for those 9 extra races then thats "only" £89.91. Now idea if there's any initial setup up costs to take into account though, or any potential quality and delay issues but its a cheaper option if Sky do take it away from existing HD customers next year, if they do then that is something i might look into to be honest.


Is this NOW TV going to be available through sky boxes or just on PC or laptop via internet?

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#480 olliek88

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 19:06

Is this NOW TV going to be available through sky boxes or just on PC or laptop via internet?


My knowledge is very limited of NOW TV but as i understand it its the same as NetFlix/LoveFilm, but they have plans to allow access to the sports package for 24 hours, at a cost of £9.99.

When and how i'm not in the know i'm afraid!

#481 onemoresolo

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 19:24

Mighty glad I subscribed to Sky before the price hike next month. Shall have to hone my haggling skills over the next 12 months as I doubt HD subscribers will continue to receive the F1 channel indefinitely.


I believe they've since confirmed that existing subscribers to the HD channel will not lose it at any point.

#482 Clatter

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 19:27

I believe they've since confirmed that existing subscribers to the HD channel will not lose it at any point.


I've seen that comment on various forums, but I haven't a seen anything official from Sky.

#483 D.M.N.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 19:29

I've seen that comment on various forums, but I haven't a seen anything official from Sky.

"Any point" indicates any time in the future. For the immediate future, existing customers who have F1 will keep F1.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 19:46

just to clarify- I've got Sky HD so don't need Sky Sports package for the F1 channel (yet)?

#485 dank

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 19:47

I believe they've since confirmed that existing subscribers to the HD channel will not lose it at any point.


I'll be amazed if, slowly but surely, they don't try and coax people into the Sky Sport package at some point in the future.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 19:50

just to clarify- I've got Sky HD so don't need Sky Sports package for the F1 channel (yet)?


No! As stated in the F1Fanatic article if you're one of the 4.5 million who have the HD package then this has zero effect on your ability to view the F1 channel.

#487 undersquare

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 19:53

It's only a matter of time, surely, before they discontinue the HD pack's F1 coverage.

Otherwise they wouldn't deter new customers with the price hike. They have us in the pen; now it's milking time, just with a little period of adjustment.

#488 Clatter

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 20:05

"Any point" indicates any time in the future. For the immediate future, existing customers who have F1 will keep F1.


Well thanks for pointing out the bleeding obvious, but please read what was said.

#489 D.M.N.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 22:42

Well thanks for pointing out the bleeding obvious, but please read what was said.

Sky don't announce these things officially. Although if it counts, I sent an e-mail to Sky and got this response: "I can confirm that new HD customers will need to take Sky Sports in order to receive the F1 channel from April 1st, existing HD subscribers will continue to receive it however.”

#490 yoyogetfunky

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:14

Will the BBC broadcast the practise and or qualify sessions for the Australian GP? Does anyone know?

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:25

Will the BBC broadcast the practise and or qualify sessions for the Australian GP? Does anyone know?


nope. highlights of qualy and the race but that's it. Sky F1 is the only place to see live coverage of all practice sessions, qualifying and the race itself :)

#492 Xeriks

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:26

Will the BBC broadcast the practise and or qualify sessions for the Australian GP? Does anyone know?

BBC will broadcast both on BBC2

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 09:41

BBC will broadcast both on BBC2


Wrong. See the post above yours for the correct information.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 09:43

nope. highlights of qualy and the race but that's it. Sky F1 is the only place to see live coverage of all practice sessions, qualifying and the race itself :)



BBC will broadcast both on BBC2



I hope that's made things clear for you.

#495 Haribo

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 10:19

Mighty glad I subscribed to Sky before the price hike next month. Shall have to hone my haggling skills over the next 12 months as I doubt HD subscribers will continue to receive the F1 channel indefinitely.


I phoned up to remove the HD channel just after the last F1 race last year and got 3 months at half price. I tired it again a few days ago and the guy was just like "Ok I removed it - KTHXBYE". They must have known from my viewing habits what I watch (F1) and that the price hike was coming in April, so I'll have to subscribe again before April 9th I guess

#496 pdac

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 14:01

Sky don't announce these things officially. Although if it counts, I sent an e-mail to Sky and got this response: "I can confirm that new HD customers will need to take Sky Sports in order to receive the F1 channel from April 1st, existing HD subscribers will continue to receive it however.”


I would put money on it wll only continue for this season. I expect Sky to remove the F1 channel from the HD-only line-up once this season is over. I still maintain that the only reasons it is available without Sky Sports are:

- They wanted to show that they were making the F1 coverage available to as wide an audience as practical (to silence some of the critics when the original deal was announced)

- They wanted to increaase the take-up of the HD package. Sky know that there are not that many new customers for them out there, so they must upsell to their existing customer base to grow.

My feeling is that these two reasons are not so important now.

#497 D.M.N.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 15:16

Reminder - all SSF1 and full race unless stated:

Saturday 9th March
20:30 - 1994 Australian Grand Prix Extended Highlights

Sunday 10th March
20:30 - 1999 Australian Grand Prix

Monday 11th March
20:30 - 2003 Australian Grand Prix

Tuesday 12th March
20:30 - 2007 Australian Grand Prix

Wednesday 13th March
20:30 - 2010 Australian Grand Prix

Tuesday 19th March
20:00 - 1999 Malaysian Grand Prix
22:15 - 2001 Malaysian Grand Prix

Wednesday 20th March
20:00 - 2002 Malaysian Grand Prix
22:15 - 2003 Malaysian Grand Prix

Thursday 21st March
20:00 - 2007 Malaysian Grand Prix

Thursday 28th March
21:00 - Debut Wins: 2003 Hungarian Grand Prix

Friday 29th March
21:00 - Debut Wins: 2007 Canadian Grand Prix

All repeated once for Australia and Malaysia races. :)

#498 Clatter

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 16:26

Sky don't announce these things officially. Although if it counts, I sent an e-mail to Sky and got this response: "I can confirm that new HD customers will need to take Sky Sports in order to receive the F1 channel from April 1st, existing HD subscribers will continue to receive it however.”


Yes they do.

Their reply to you is only a reflection of the official statements they have already made and doesn't add anything new.


#499 D.M.N.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 16:37

Yes they do.

Their reply to you is only a reflection of the official statements they have already made and doesn't add anything new.

Where are these official statements then?

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 16:40

It's only a matter of time, surely, before they discontinue the HD pack's F1 coverage.

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The exact same thing was spouted as if fact this time last year - and yet here we are 12 months on......