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#1201 Dalton007

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 20:02

Although Suzi is getting better, she is nowhere near Jake's easy going presentation. The team isn't gelling together, Suzi doesn't know F1, even though she's an anchor, she does seem out of her depth. She was way better with MotoGP.

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#1202 d246

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 20:02

Watched BBC today in preference to Sky. I prefer Edwards to Croft and like MB / DC equally. The BBC forum was actually quite entertaining, despite some of the previous posts, although Suzi is clearly still finding her feet.

The Sky post-race stuff had a real whiff of being filler today.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 20:03

The worst part of his commentary today was when Button passed Hamilton and he did his little

"Hi Lewis, how's your race been today"
"Yeh not very good, how you getting on in the Mclaren"
etc.

Which was cringe worthy.

And i don't like how he said Massa did his supporting role well today, since Massa drove for himself today.


many thanks for your comments.

So I was not the only one to notice these aforementioned points.

this reminds me of Leggard for BBC and Slater for Star Sports..

#1204 Panktej

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 20:05

Do you guys just sit there waiting to hear something to complain about?


No, it is not about complaining, it is about providing an opinion. We all are entitled to do so, no?

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 20:11

The worst part of his commentary today was when Button passed Hamilton and he did his little

"Hi Lewis, how's your race been today"
"Yeh not very good, how you getting on in the Mclaren"
etc.

Which was cringe worthy.

And i don't like how he said Massa did his supporting role well today, since Massa drove for himself today.


Cringe worthy indeed.

#1206 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 20:13

It's not very funny but it's hardly cringe inducing.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 20:26

For the first time today it felt like there was a bit of friction between Brundle and Croft on SkyF1. Can't remember exactly what it was but there was a bit of Brundle contradicting Croft and for some reason I noticed it more today. Sky comentating is getting a bit too chatty for me now. They missed one of the key overtakes as they were chatting away and they also give Ted Kravitz too much airtime during the race. I like Kravitz but his input during a race needs to be very brief and factual. I found that I had to keep looking at the timing board sreen to see what was actually unfolding in the race. I constantly wanted to know how much faster drivers were when they had new tyres and how quickly gaps were decreasing or increasing and I didn't feel that I got this from Brundle and Croft today. I don't think I ever saw Kimi having the pace to beat Alonso and I couldn't see why I kept hearing he was likely to win. I just couldn't see it from what I was seeing in front of me. Mind you, I'd be hopeless doing their job.

#1208 Longtimefan

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 21:20

Although Suzi is getting better, she is nowhere near Jake's easy going presentation. The team isn't gelling together, Suzi doesn't know F1, even though she's an anchor, she does seem out of her depth. She was way better with MotoGP.


Yeah but she actually cares about the sport and is interested in it, unlike Jakey-boy who to him it was simply another job as he nosed his way up the BBC.

She cares and she's a fan, for me thats a big plus.


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:44

To be fair as soon as he saw the replay he did point out it was Massa suddenly blasting past the very slow starting Webber that had caught his eye. I can think of worse mistakes to make.


I couldn't stand him as a driver, but I really like DC as a commentator. I think he's really grown into the role over the past few years and he's very good at explaining what's happening on track. I also much prefer Ben Edwards' commentary to Croft's, so much so that if a race is being broadcast live on the BBC, I'll watch it there over Sky.

I'd agree with the criticisms of Suzi Perry, but I think she'll settle into things fairly soon. I remember thinking DC was a bit rubbish to begin with too.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:53

Watched bbc today for the first time since sky took over, commentary was fine, the forum is an embarrassment for a professional media company, Horner looked embarrassed for them.

I wondered why I can not find it on the iplayer yet, maybe it's too bad to put out there again.

And on the subject of the Bernie interview with Suzi and EJ, I would not even bother interviewing Bernie, he never wants to do them, says absolutely nothing, or one word answers.

Never interview Bernie, it will end in tears, it's a waste of time.


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 10:30

BBC's problem this season just seems to be getting Suzi to settle in to the environment. She was really good in her MotoGP days so I expect her to get much better as the year goes on. She just needs to get used to EJ and DC's constant and frankly embarrassing Back-and-forths. Yesterday it did seem like she was very much caught in the middle of them and didn't know whether to stop them or join in.

On the commentary, Ben has suddenly become very shouty. He needs to calm down. DC is a good commentator.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 10:31

I wondered why I can not find it on the iplayer yet, maybe it's too bad to put out there again.


It's strange, they did not put up the forum for China either.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 10:34

I wondered why I can not find it on the iplayer yet, maybe it's too bad to put out there again.

And on the subject of the Bernie interview with Suzi and EJ, I would not even bother interviewing Bernie, he never wants to do them, says absolutely nothing, or one word answers.

Never interview Bernie, it will end in tears, it's a waste of time.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:42

The BBC F1 forum is such a sad thing now compared to the anarchic fun it used to be back in 2011. One of the most amazing moments of F1 I think there'll ever be was EJ being made by jake to gatecrash Ferrari's post-race video/press conference that Domencali was filming. Even better that Domenicali was spectacularly unfazed by it all, like it happens all the time. Not even thrown when EJ then blurted out a question asking Stefano how he felt about Luca giving him a shoddy end of school year report. No, he simply unleashed Martin Whitmarsh (who was there for some weird reason!) to deliver one of the verbal smackdown on EJ that he seems to live to do. Try and imagine that happening now. Or them running around the McLaren garage. Unprofessional? Maybe but oh, so such fun for the viewers.

Now it seems no-one really comes near them so it's often just Suzi and EJ chatting to each other. And as so far they behave like they really personally dislike each other, that's awkward as hell. Whenever DC joins them, there's such a relief because he's a conversational buffer zone between them.



#1215 dank

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:56

Yeah but she actually cares about the sport and is interested in it, unlike Jakey-boy who to him it was simply another job as he nosed his way up the BBC.

She cares and she's a fan, for me thats a big plus.


Is this the same Suzi Perry who infamously stated she disliked F1 not so long ago?

#1216 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:59

Depends on when. We've had a weird reversal over the last few years that F1 is the 'action' series and MotoGP is really processional and predictaable.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 12:03

Is this the same Suzi Perry who infamously stated she disliked F1 not so long ago?


Have to agree, can't help feeling she's a MotoGP at heart. I recall the days when she would lay into F1 when Rossi was at the peak of his powers.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 12:13

For the first time today it felt like there was a bit of friction between Brundle and Croft on SkyF1. Can't remember exactly what it was but there was a bit of Brundle contradicting Croft and for some reason I noticed it more today. Sky comentating is getting a bit too chatty for me now. They missed one of the key overtakes as they were chatting away and they also give Ted Kravitz too much airtime during the race. I like Kravitz but his input during a race needs to be very brief and factual. I found that I had to keep looking at the timing board sreen to see what was actually unfolding in the race. I constantly wanted to know how much faster drivers were when they had new tyres and how quickly gaps were decreasing or increasing and I didn't feel that I got this from Brundle and Croft today. I don't think I ever saw Kimi having the pace to beat Alonso and I couldn't see why I kept hearing he was likely to win. I just couldn't see it from what I was seeing in front of me. Mind you, I'd be hopeless doing their job.


I actually thought they sounded like they were getting on really well. They were having a right laugh in qualifying. There was more chat though because it was such a dire race. You could tell Brundle was getting frustrated, saying it was like watching a race in slow motion.

The alternative would probably be awkward silences, which is what we got with Legard and Brundle.

#1219 goingthedistance

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 12:13

The Forum seemed more comfortable once Lee McKenzie arrived. I really think the BBC made a mistake going with Perry over McKenzie. She's always come across as very knowledgeable about the sport and she has a good rapport with Eddie and DC.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 12:24

The Forum seemed more comfortable once Lee McKenzie arrived. I really think the BBC made a mistake going with Perry over McKenzie. She's always come across as very knowledgeable about the sport and she has a good rapport with Eddie and DC.


Maybe Lee didn't want the gig?

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 12:28

For the first time today it felt like there was a bit of friction between Brundle and Croft on SkyF1. Can't remember exactly what it was but there was a bit of Brundle contradicting Croft and for some reason I noticed it more today. Sky comentating is getting a bit too chatty for me now. They missed one of the key overtakes as they were chatting away and they also give Ted Kravitz too much airtime during the race. I like Kravitz but his input during a race needs to be very brief and factual. I found that I had to keep looking at the timing board sreen to see what was actually unfolding in the race. I constantly wanted to know how much faster drivers were when they had new tyres and how quickly gaps were decreasing or increasing and I didn't feel that I got this from Brundle and Croft today. I don't think I ever saw Kimi having the pace to beat Alonso and I couldn't see why I kept hearing he was likely to win. I just couldn't see it from what I was seeing in front of me. Mind you, I'd be hopeless doing their job.

Don't worry, it was exactly the same on the BBC. If it wasn't happening right on screen it wasn't mentioned and they also were of the impression that it was Kimis race to lose, even though following race timing made it clear it was Alonsos race. Found myself in the middle of the race just watching the timing screen to see what was happening during the race.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 12:32

Give Suzi a bit more time, she definitely is not as knowledgeable as she is about Moto GP, but she's into Motorsports, she'll get upto speed.

I mean if Jake had no interest in F1, it shows how good a presenter he was, but I don't buy it, he may well not have been a fan when he started, but he definitely left as one.

And Sky cherry picked over the BBC's set up, it may take time to find the right balance in their coverage, Jake leaving was a bigger blow than Brundle, he is such a slick presenter, you can not deny that.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 12:37

Give Suzi a bit more time, she definitely is not as knowledgeable as she is about Moto GP, but she's into Motorsports, she'll get upto speed.

I mean if Jake had no interest in F1, it shows how good a presenter he was, but I don't buy it, he may well not have been a fan when he started, but he definitely left as one.

And Sky cherry picked over the BBC's set up, it may take time to find the right balance in their coverage, Jake leaving was a bigger blow than Brundle, he is such a slick presenter, you can not deny that.


He definitely is but he just got more and more smug over the 4 years IMO and it became more and more about him/them. Seems to have rubbed Gary Lineker up the wrong way too now, although it's difficult, I would prefer it if it was a few years ago and good old Des was warning a smug young pretender, Gary and his useless cronies at match of the day a equally smug just in a different way.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 12:58

He definitely is but he just got more and more smug over the 4 years IMO and it became more and more about him/them. Seems to have rubbed Gary Lineker up the wrong way too now, although it's difficult, I would prefer it if it was a few years ago and good old Des was warning a smug young pretender, Gary and his useless cronies at match of the day a equally smug just in a different way.


Whats happened?

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 13:11

BBC's problem this season just seems to be getting Suzi to settle in to the environment. She was really good in her MotoGP days so I expect her to get much better as the year goes on. She just needs to get used to EJ and DC's constant and frankly embarrassing Back-and-forths. Yesterday it did seem like she was very much caught in the middle of them and didn't know whether to stop them or join in.

On the commentary, Ben has suddenly become very shouty. He needs to calm down. DC is a good commentator.

Yea,Ben is cool but tends to shout especialy when drivers are wheel to wheel.
I remember Sepang this year when Seb and Mark were racing and he shouted 'They touch!They touch!'and my sister in the other room thought i was listening to commentary of a porno! :-D

#1226 goingthedistance

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 13:47

Maybe Lee didn't want the gig?


Maybe, though I thought she interviewed for it and was down to her or Suzi?

#1227 dank

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 13:56

Maybe Lee didn't want the gig?


She said in a recent podcast that she was somewhat dismayed she'd been overlooked for the role.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 13:59

I am really sorry for Suzi as she just seems so awkward at times (a little like the female presenter I have on Fox sports as well). It is obvious she prefers two-wheels over four-wheels racing and I think it was a bad decision to stick her in. Lee would have done a better job, but I am afraid (like another poster mentioned) she may have rejected the job. She seems far more comfortable in the pit-lane reporter role.

Give Suzi a bit more time, she definitely is not as knowledgeable as she is about Moto GP, but she's into Motorsports, she'll get upto speed.

I mean if Jake had no interest in F1, it shows how good a presenter he was, but I don't buy it, he may well not have been a fan when he started, but he definitely left as one.

And Sky cherry picked over the BBC's set up, it may take time to find the right balance in their coverage, Jake leaving was a bigger blow than Brundle, he is such a slick presenter, you can not deny that.

I definitely agree on the points on Jake here. In his book, he makes it quite clear he wasn't a F1 fan when it started, and even now football ranks higher on his sport list, but F1 has a part of his heart because of the people he met and the friendships he made. He may not be as much of a motor head, but in his presentation of the sport and especially his interactions with the drivers (Button and Sebastian come to mind) he make F1 feel more accessible and more human. That is what I loved about him.

He definitely is but he just got more and more smug over the 4 years IMO and it became more and more about him/them. Seems to have rubbed Gary Lineker up the wrong way too now, although it's difficult, I would prefer it if it was a few years ago and good old Des was warning a smug young pretender, Gary and his useless cronies at match of the day a equally smug just in a different way.

I guess some people just rub others the wrong way. I am sorry that I just cannot see Jake acting in any way smug (but then again I cannot see Sebastian acting in any way arrogant/entitled as some seem to think so).

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 14:01

Is this the same Suzi Perry who infamously stated she disliked F1 not so long ago?

Yes, my memory is telling me that that the BBC interviewed her during the Monaco 2009 forum. When asked if she enjoyed the race she said something along the lines that she found it boring as F1 is processional, that the driver is irrelevant because the best car always wins, Moto GP has better racing, characters, ect, ect. I seem to remember Humphrey and DC just standing there is shock.

I was pretty surprised when they announced her as host this year given the comments she made back then.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 14:05

She said in a recent podcast that she was somewhat dismayed she'd been overlooked for the role.


Interesting, thank you.

I think the BBC liked the dynamic they had with the three amigos led by Jake. Lee is a very different personality to Jake, she's a lot gentler and more laid-back. Maybe with Suzi they thought they could get a female Jake and keep most of the old dynamic, but it's not working so far.

#1231 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 14:10

Yes, my memory is telling me that that the BBC interviewed her during the Monaco 2009 forum. When asked if she enjoyed the race she said something along the lines that she found it boring as F1 is processional, that the driver is irrelevant because the best car always wins, Moto GP has better racing, characters, ect, ect. I seem to remember Humphrey and DC just standing there is shock.

I was pretty surprised when they announced her as host this year given the comments she made back then.


The early part of 2009 wasn't very exciting, but on the other hand MotoGP was at a low point then too.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 20:07

Looking at the planner, Sky have classic races for 1992 (Sat.), 1996 (Sun.) and 2003 (Mon.).

I imagine they will also show 2008 and 2011.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 21:32

Croft and Brundle were quite slow in reading the race. It was quite clear Alonso was going to win by the end of the 2nd pit stop, but it felt like they refused to see it. I feel Croft doesn't have a good handle over the whole undercut and newer tyres business and gets confused in the heat of the race.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 05:42

I think the commentators are loathe to admit obvious cases where the runaway leader isn't going to just er, run away with the win and instead try and think of every possible way in which that might not happen. I don't really approve. The should be educating and informing the viewer as well as entertaining them. There was a race last year where it couldn't have been more obvious that Hamilton was going no more quickly than he needed to in order to keep in front of Perez for a race win. When Perez closed in, he just upped his pace to keep the gap the same yet both BBC and Sky where giving it plenty of "can Perez pull off the win, are there enough laps?" stuff.

Probably a bit embarrassing when they asked Lewis if he was worried in the race and he smiled and said no, never and how he'd just been looking after the tyres.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 10:48

Whats happened?


This seems to be the Gary/Jake hubbub. To be honest, having heard the way Gary and his cronies Hansen, Shearer and 'Lawro' (good grief I hate that guy) have treated Colin Murray, delicate flower Lineker's reaction to Jake doesn't surprise me.

Personally, the fact Jake wasn't a petrolhead to begin with wasn't a problem, he was a consummate presenter who did a fantastic job in making the sport relateable to the viewer. Whilst his style might not please everyone, he was leagues above Steve Rider, Jim Rozenthal and Lazenby on Sky.

Regarding Suzi, I personally would've preferred Lee to get the job, but I'm sure she'll come good. Sure the stumbling and odd mistake are not great, but like any new job it's a confidence thing and you get better as you go. If she's not improved by the season's end then maybe it wasn't the right choice, but until then give her a chance.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 11:09

I did pause Sky after the podium ceremony because I wanted to check somthing entirely unrelated on Ceefax on BBC. I was amused by EJ's questions and inability to ask sensible questions and thought typical EJ really and most definitely one of the main reasons I don't watch F1 on BBC. As I switched Ceefx off but still on BBC I then saw EJ coming back down to Suzy Perry and DC and the first thing that DC said to him was something like "well done Eddie for keeping the fans on the edge of their seat" or something like that, can't remember the exact words. I thought it was funny and sarcastic and all the better for DC's deadpan delivery. Think I might need to watch more of the DC and EJ punditry!

#1237 Jon83

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 12:04

For as bad as Suzi Perry may be, she is certainly no worse than that clown on Sky. It is probably a sad reflection on both Sky and the BBC actually. I think DC, Brundle and McNish are by far the best on TV without any of them actually being outstanding.

Did one of the McLaren guys give Lazenby a bit of a mouthful after his interview with Martin Whitmarsh ended pre-race?

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 17:49

Maybe, though I thought she interviewed for it and was down to her or Suzi?


Awwww, she came across really well when she discussed it there, very honest but not feeling sorry for herself.

To be perfectly honest I don't think Lee is a particularly good interviewer, although I also think most of the interviews after the race etc would be boring whoever interviews them. However, listening to this I'd be more than happy to listen to her on these types of podcasts etc.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 13:37

Did anyone else catch a great quote from Eddie Jordan when he was talking during the Forum about the situation that Jenson Button has found himself in this year?

"...he wanted to crawl into a box and run away."



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#1240 pRy

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 14:14

I wondered during the last forum if EJ had been enjoying a little too much hospitality during the race.

#1241 D.M.N.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 17:30

One for those who do not have access to Sky Sports F1 and want to watch the Monaco Grand Prix live --> http://www.skybet.com/nowtv-free-bet

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#1242 BullHead

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 15:59

I've only just watched the bbc forum from Spain. I found it much better than the first one from China. It had more flow and enthusiasm. Come mid season I reckon DC EJ and Suzi will have gelled, and keeping things interesting and 'real' will have come second nature. Already way better than Sky for me.

#1243 FastnLoud

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 18:22

One for those who do not have access to Sky Sports F1 and want to watch the Monaco Grand Prix live --> http://www.skybet.com/nowtv-free-bet

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£9.99 for a day pass :rotfl:

#1244 g1n

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 18:26

One for those who do not have access to Sky Sports F1 and want to watch the Monaco Grand Prix live --> http://www.skybet.com/nowtv-free-bet

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Nice one, will be watching Monaco GP for free then next weekend :clap:

#1245 joshb

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 18:28

£9.99 for a day pass :rotfl:


and I haven't understood whether it is a day (24 hour pass like an electricity meter) or a 1 day calendar pass.
If you're a casual sports viewer and if it is 24 hours worth of programmes, then it could work out well but if you watch lots, don't touch it

#1246 olliek88

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 09:05

and I haven't understood whether it is a day (24 hour pass like an electricity meter) or a 1 day calendar pass.
If you're a casual sports viewer and if it is 24 hours worth of programmes, then it could work out well but if you watch lots, don't touch it


"Viewing period ends 24 hours after you first watch"

#1247 bushgold

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 09:36

hey, thx d.m.n.

used up my £10 token already on premiership match. you can't split it up into 2x£5 bets. one bet only.

i'll wait for an appropriate f1 race for the nowtv free pass. not monaco, though.

worth the effort filling in a few forms.

#1248 olliek88

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 14:40

hey, thx d.m.n.

used up my £10 token already on premiership match. you can't split it up into 2x£5 bets. one bet only.

i'll wait for an appropriate f1 race for the nowtv free pass. not monaco, though.

worth the effort filling in a few forms.


The offer ends on the 30th of May!

EDIT: Re-read it, you have to of signed up to NOW TV by the 30th but you can use it within 365 days of signing up.

Edited by olliek88, 19 May 2013 - 14:41.


#1249 swintex

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 20:37

you have to of signed up to NOW TV

have


#1250 Buttoneer

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 18:51

Quick off-yet-on topic one but when is the current agreement with FOM up for grabs and since BT are spending big on BT Vision sports content at the moment what are the chances of them being a contender when the time comes?