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#1051 Treads

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 10:58

Well...if you look at the front wing being used, to me it looks like they have TOO much front downforce and were trying to scrub a bit off for better balance, which to me says that the new wing coming for Barcelona will be to add back whatever downforce was stripped off. of course, the wing being used was optimised for last years car aswell, so surely, with a front wing optimised for this car, and added downforce, whatever short comings they have at the front should be rectified pretty quickly. Again, I think McLaren expected the understeer with an old front wing.


Very true.

I'm not worried about understeer, as peeps have said recent McLarens have had great front downforce, they know how to achieve front downforce.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:38

Mclaren's MP4/28 Steering Wheel

VERY interesting, though I think there is a mistake on the center of the steering wheel, as the WHITE knob D also controls the diferential, whereas brake bias is adjusted from a lever outer of the drivers left leg.


how does a very basic car website like that know all this info about mclaren wheel where most probably other teams dont

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:43

Very true.

I'm not worried about understeer, as peeps have said recent McLarens have had great front downforce, they know how to achieve front downforce.


This is right, McLaren traditionally had problems with rear downforce rather than front downforce. If they achieve good rear downforce with Mp4-28 then I presume everything will be under control.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:45

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so thats 'Yellow G1" when they do a qualy lap or try to overtake someone

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:43

Mclaren's MP4/28 Steering Wheel

VERY interesting, though I think there is a mistake on the center of the steering wheel, as the WHITE knob D also controls the diferential, whereas brake bias is adjusted from a lever outer of the drivers left leg.


That is a very clean design of a steering wheel. If you compare it with others you start to wonder if McLaren's is missing a few buttons. :lol:

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 13:13

McLaren receive top FIA environmental award :clap: :cool:

McLaren have become the first motorsport organisation in the world to receive the FIA Institute’s Environmental Award for the Achievement of Excellence.

http://www.formula1....13/2/14270.html

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 13:16

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comparison McLaren MP4-28 Mercedes vs Ferrari F138
comparison McLaren MP4-28 Mercedes vs Force India VJM06 Mercedes
comparison McLaren MP4-28 Mercedes vs Lotus E21 Renault
comparison McLaren MP4-28 Mercedes vs Mercedes AMG F1 W04
comparison McLaren MP4-28 Mercedes vs Red Bull RB9 Renault
comparison McLaren MP4-28 Mercedes vs Toro Rosso STR8 Ferrari
comparison McLaren MP4-28 Mercedes vs Williams FW34 Renault

Edited by anti, 15 February 2013 - 13:50.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 13:56

McLaren receive top FIA environmental award :clap: :cool:


http://www.formula1....13/2/14270.html


Great achievement by a great team! Well Done!

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 13:56

McLaren receive top FIA environmental award :clap: :cool:


http://www.formula1....13/2/14270.html


Great achievement by a great team! Well Done!

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 15:47

I bet all the other teams are so disappointed.

#1061 Nobody

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 16:30

Here's hoping the car is a contender, but it's gonna be a bumpy ride around here, that obnoxious element amongst the fans of a former driver will surely have a lot to say either way.

keep the faith

oh, and do we have a nickname for the 28 yet?

#1062 BillBald

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 17:24

comparison McLaren MP4-28 Mercedes vs Ferrari F138
comparison McLaren MP4-28 Mercedes vs Force India VJM06 Mercedes
comparison McLaren MP4-28 Mercedes vs Lotus E21 Renault
comparison McLaren MP4-28 Mercedes vs Mercedes AMG F1 W04
comparison McLaren MP4-28 Mercedes vs Red Bull RB9 Renault
comparison McLaren MP4-28 Mercedes vs Toro Rosso STR8 Ferrari
comparison McLaren MP4-28 Mercedes vs Williams FW34 Renault


It looks like the McLaren is still a little bit lower in the front chassis than the others. Have they maybe gone for better visibility?



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Posted 15 February 2013 - 18:56

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McLaren with stepped nose :p

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 19:04

looks like good match to me

#1065 BillBald

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 19:13

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McLaren with stepped nose :p


The Ferrari is noticeably higher.



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Posted 15 February 2013 - 21:07

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McLaren with stepped nose :p


Red Bull's FW looks like it's closer to the ground than others.

#1067 senna da silva

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 21:24

Interestingly, the two stepped nose cars, RBR and Lotus, have similar exhaust solutions where all the others have similar coanda exhaust solutions.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 04:49

Great achievement by a great team! Well Done!


Hopefully that's the only thing they win this season :p

#1069 argiriano

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:44

Hopefully that's the only thing they win this season :p

You better be off the TV screen this season on every race weekend then... or even better quit watching F1 at least for 2013. :p

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 10:24

Anymore about new front Pull-Rod?

#1071 BillBald

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:35

Anymore about new front Pull-Rod?


I'd be really interested to know how they are getting on with that, but I'm not really expecting any info anytime soon.

Of course there will probably be various rumours, but we won't know what to believe. I think we'll just have to be patient, only in Oz or later will we know if they made the right choice.



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Posted 16 February 2013 - 13:03

Interesting how similar the Merc is to the Mclaren, almost identical chassis height. Side profile lines almost identical.

Merc look to have copied Mclarens shape

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 13:22

That is a very clean design of a steering wheel. If you compare it with others you start to wonder if McLaren's is missing a few buttons. :lol:


First time I've seen an F1 steering wheel 'open bottomed' so to speak.

#1074 BernieEc

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 16:07

Link to an AmuS article that explains the benefits and disadvantages between the McLaren And RB exhaust solutions. (originally posted by a member on F1Technical)

There seems to be a suggestion that McLaren (Coanda) seems better and more effective under braking as the air flow around the coke bottle is better. The RB solution (tunnel) however is better under acceleration and out of corners as the exhaust plume is more accurately directed.

AmUS Exhaust link

Apologies for google translate


it seems a car that has good traction and mechanical grip would better off going for the Macca solution and reap the extra rewards from stability under braking. whilst Cars that are stable under braking will be more suited to the RB solution to benefit from acceleration out of corners

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 16:50

Link to an AmuS article that explains the benefits and disadvantages between the McLaren And RB exhaust solutions. (originally posted by a member on F1Technical)

There seems to be a suggestion that McLaren (Coanda) seems better and more effective under braking as the air flow around the coke bottle is better. The RB solution (tunnel) however is better under acceleration and out of corners as the exhaust plume is more accurately directed.

AmUS Exhaust link

Apologies for google translate


it seems a car that has good traction and mechanical grip would better off going for the Macca solution and reap the extra rewards from stability under braking. whilst Cars that are stable under braking will be more suited to the RB solution to benefit from acceleration out of corners

so more or less RBR like exhaust is better for traction etc?

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 17:00

That is a very clean design of a steering wheel. If you compare it with others you start to wonder if McLaren's is missing a few buttons. :lol:


Indeed. They have removed some of the diff controls (they were in excess). Mclaren and Ferrari (due to the Mclaren influence FA put in when he arrived at Ferrari) have much cleaner steering wheels than the rest of the teams.

Lewis (on James Allne's blog) said that when he arrived at Mercedes the steering wheel was so complicated that this is the thing he has spent the most time on - trying to make it simmple. And he has already reduced it from 26 to 20 buttons.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 21:33

Red Bull's FW looks like it's closer to the ground than others.


Cuz it's flexing :)

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 22:56

Cuz it's flexing :)


I'm sure it is  ;)

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 04:42

Scalabroni on 2013 roll centres

Really interesting how the grid has different approaches everywhere on the car, even without big regulation changes. Looking forward to Oz!

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:33

He's telling that pull rod is better for one lap heating of tire but tire degrading faster. Wasn't things just opposite for last year ferrari?

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 12:32

It also comes down to balance with the rear-tyres - if for example last years McLaren was running out of rear-tyre grip first and therefore not exploiting the front-tyre fully, it would make sense to go more aggressive on the front to balance out their wear.

You're not going to get more life out of the tyres compared to last year, but you should get more performance, and help get the tyres working sooner for qualifying, outlaps etc. and be pitting at the same time.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 12:35

He's telling that pull rod is better for one lap heating of tire but tire degrading faster. Wasn't things just opposite for last year ferrari?


His points is actually about the angle and position of the wishbones which is linked to the height and design of the nose. Maybe you remember the seasons in which teams mounted the lower ones on a single or double keel. In this case Ferrari runs a zero-keel.

Edited by H2H, 17 February 2013 - 12:40.


#1083 BillBald

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 13:45

His points is actually about the angle and position of the wishbones which is linked to the height and design of the nose. Maybe you remember the seasons in which teams mounted the lower ones on a single or double keel. In this case Ferrari runs a zero-keel.


The puzzling thing to me is that McLaren don't have as high a chassis as the Ferrari, they are more similar to RB and Lotus. So according to his theory, McLaren should be failing to get the aero advantage which Ferrari get.

What would be really useful, would be comparison pictures of the different cars, looking from the front, so we could see suspension angles more clearly.


Edited by BillBald, 17 February 2013 - 13:49.


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Posted 17 February 2013 - 17:08

@TheF1Blogger: Emirates could sponsor F1 team again http://t.co/c0ofsoWL

First hint I've seen of a new title sponsor. But not holding my breath.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 17:30

They didn't say that they will sponsor McLaren. And it is rather impossible for McLaren atm. They have titular sponsor atm.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 23:04

They didn't say that they will sponsor McLaren. And it is rather impossible for McLaren atm. They have titular sponsor atm.


They can be a sponsor without being titular sponsor. Vodafone's sponsor used to be present in more parts of the car, so maybe that could be arranged again.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 23:19

He's telling that pull rod is better for one lap heating of tire but tire degrading faster. Wasn't things just opposite for last year ferrari?


Last year Ferrari had perfect tire usage. I don't know if it was connected with the pull rod front.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:19

They didn't say that they will sponsor McLaren. And it is rather impossible for McLaren atm. They have titular sponsor atm.

Contract runs out this season.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:52

Last year Ferrari had perfect tire usage. I don't know if it was connected with the pull rod front.


Since 2007 Ferrari has tended to have good tire usage regardless of suspension type though

Edited by sheepgobba, 18 February 2013 - 07:52.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:31

Last year Ferrari had perfect tire usage. I don't know if it was connected with the pull rod front.



but had problem with one lap performance (heating issues) ?

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 17:03

Last year Ferrari had perfect tire usage.

Far from it.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 17:55

Last year Ferrari had perfect tire usage. I don't know if it was connected with the pull rod front.


Wrong.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 18:10

Last year Ferrari had perfect tire usage. I don't know if it was connected with the pull rod front.

Really?! :confused:

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 18:24

Ferrari's tyre usage wasn't perfect but it was great on a Sunday and able to switch the tyres on in the wet, perhaps it didn't maximise the Pirelli's over one lap but in general it was pretty good. Like others have said i'm not sure it's related to the pull rod suspension, Scalabroni's video on Peter Windsors YT channel seemed to explain it quite well.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 18:45

Scalabroni on 2013 roll centres

Really interesting how the grid has different approaches everywhere on the car, even without big regulation changes. Looking forward to Oz!

I wonder if their driver line up influenced their decision to take this approach. It would make sense to extract a bit of performance at the expense of extra tyre wear if both your drivers are easy on the tyres. Even more so if at least one of your drivers had difficulty heating the fronts last year.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 18:47

Since 2007 Ferrari has tended to have good tire usage regardless of suspension type though

They've had big problems with qualifying before 2012. Their cars would never get the tires up to temp fast enough.

but had problem with one lap performance (heating issues) ?


They didn't have any problems getting the tires up to temperature last year.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 20:10

BigCHrome - you should read this if you want to know more about the tire situation with Ferrari in 2012. Its not as simple as you're making it out to be:

Pat Fry Interview

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 21:52

Ferrari's tyre usage wasn't perfect but it was great on a Sunday and able to switch the tyres on in the wet, perhaps it didn't maximise the Pirelli's over one lap but in general it was pretty good. Like others have said i'm not sure it's related to the pull rod suspension, Scalabroni's video on Peter Windsors YT channel seemed to explain it quite well.


Earlier in the season, the Ferrari seemed to be the car to have in the wet, but in Brazil it completely turned around - McLaren and Red Bull both seemed much better.

It might be that the other teams were struggling more to keep the tyres in the working temp range, until the second half of the season when they made a big improvement in that area.

I suspect that the basic design of the Ferrari wasn't quite as good as the McLaren and Red Bull, but those teams were having issues which masked their real pace.

Regarding the pull-rod front, I can't remember any cases where it caused excessive front tyre wear or degradation on the Ferrari, and it also didn't seem to help with bringing the front tyres up to temperature, to judge from the qualifying performance. So Scalabroni's comments, although interesting, don't quite seem to match the reality.

It's a little hard to predict what difference it will make on the McLaren this year.



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Posted 18 February 2013 - 22:00

Vandoorne has joined the Young Driver programme.

http://www.mclaren.c...river-programme

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 23:13

BigCHrome - you should read this if you want to know more about the tire situation with Ferrari in 2012. Its not as simple as you're making it out to be:

Pat Fry Interview


I can't see anything on there that shows Fry complaining about tire usage. Maybe perfect wasn't the right word, but over the entire season, Ferrari used the tires better than anyone else on the grid.