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#3801 mstar

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 19:34

An F1 race must seem like a light workout physically to Jenson at this point. At one point Nico Rosberg was doing triathlons too, but I haven't heard anything about him doing them lately.


He does hut he isn't at jensons level yet, rosberg admitted last year. Remember Jenson been doing this since his BAR days. Nobody on the grid beat him at triathlons.

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#3802 Owen

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 19:42

Just been listening to this podcast;
http://www.jamesalle...arens-problems/
Mark Gillan reckons problems relate to suspension and therefore this won't be a quick fix. Which contradicts those who say the issues are purely aero.
I'm confused.

#3803 study

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 20:28

There will probs be quick fixes that will make them competitive but the suspension issues will be all season long as they can't rebuild that midseason, but then mclaren have had this ridiculous firm suspension for years now.

Its probs going to be what we have seen so far and previous year, competitive one track, then drop a few places in other tracks.

#3804 10e10

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 20:35

Just been listening to this podcast;
http://www.jamesalle...arens-problems/
Mark Gillan reckons problems relate to suspension and therefore this won't be a quick fix. Which contradicts those who say the issues are purely aero.
I'm confused.


I'm guessing no one but McLaren might know what the problem is. Let's hope They can fix it asap.

#3805 JRizzle86

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 21:40

McLaren to challenge Redbull in China

McLaren is trying to roll out upgrades expected to be worth more than three-tenth of a second per lap at the Chinese Grand Prix this coming weekend...

http://www.formula1o...l-in-china.html


As much as i wish that was true, that is an atrociously written article.

#3806 Maustinsj

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 21:51

As much as i wish that was true, that is an atrociously written article.


It reads like a 12 year-old wrote it - a poorly educated one at that.

#3807 CookinFlatSix

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 22:34

I guess you didn't work out the date of the article

#3808 scheivlak

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 23:30

I guess you didn't work out the date of the article

So horrendous grammatical errors are also part of the April 1 legacy?

Or are you the author defending that article :p

#3809 Owen

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:19

@JensonButton: Morning, full day of sim work today with @DaveRobsonF1 @Tom_Stallard 2 get a better understanding of the car & prep work the next 2 GP's.

#3810 jrg19

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:40

Just been listening to this podcast;
http://www.jamesalle...arens-problems/
Mark Gillan reckons problems relate to suspension and therefore this won't be a quick fix. Which contradicts those who say the issues are purely aero.
I'm confused.


I think its a mix of both, I'm not sure the front wing design is working well with the new suspension. If anyone can fix a problem like this its McLaren :up:

#3811 Mc_Silver

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 09:14

Jenson Button: 'I can still win F1 title'
http://www.sportsmol...itle_77328.html
http://www1.skysport...s/12479/8613112?

"It's a massive turnaround for us. Most of the race in Sepang we were quicker than the Lotus. Most of the race we were quicker than Ferrari. Who would have thought that five days before? We are still not where we want to be and we got a bit lucky with the circuit being so smooth which helped a bit but a lot is understanding where the downforce is.


Edited by Mc_Silver, 02 April 2013 - 09:23.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 14:49

Jenson Button: 'I can still win F1 title'
http://www.sportsmol...itle_77328.html
http://www1.skysport...s/12479/8613112?


Let's not get our hopes up. McLaren had the best car last year and the drivers finished nowhere in the world drivers championship.

I would take 3rd in the constructors right now.

#3813 JRizzle86

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 17:14

I guess you didn't work out the date of the article


If that is meant to be an April fool the writer has misunderstood the purpose of an April fool let alone basic grammar and spelling.

#3814 Peter Perfect

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 19:40

http://www1.skysport...Laren-s-season-
...
The team believes it learned a lot about why the detachment problem is arising from on-the-hoof modifications made in Sepang, including crudely 'cutting and shutting' the contours of the diffuser, in order to energise the flow better around the crucial areas where it is detaching.
...

Hopefully a slightly more refined version of the Sepang modifications will result in a more predictable car, even if the root cause is still a bit of an unknown (to me at least).

#3815 chumma

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 19:51

I know this is off topic, but it does involve the 28, so i will just share this quickly. I had a dream last night, and in that dream, McLaren came to China, and completely botched the upgrades and were left doing the "the parts aren't working and we don't know why" please tell me this wasn't a premonition!

#3816 chumma

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 19:54

Hopefully a slightly more refined version of the Sepang modifications will result in a more predictable car, even if the root cause is still a bit of an unknown (to me at least).

They will definitely have a 'refined' solution to the Malaysia on the go parts. I am also hopefuly, that after using the on the go pieces they modified at the track, they learnt even more, and will further develop on what they already found, plus other developments at the front of the car (that I am expecting, no confirmation there though) then I think we have reason to be optimistic to be top 5 come quali, with a strong race day! Button goes well around here too :)

#3817 Gintonious

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 19:56

McLaren will win a race this year, it's just a question of when.

#3818 chumma

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 20:07

McLaren will win a race this year, it's just a question of when.

If they can gain the .3 a lap that I read in an article (which one, im not sure) then if they achieve that in China, I think they can fight for the win there already, this car will be like the 24, once they work one thing out, everything will start snowballing and time will come to the car quickly and easily.

#3819 Owen

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 20:15

@AdrianF007: 9 days to the Chinese GP and I'm sure @SChecoPerez and @TheFifthDriver will be stronger

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#3820 Obi Offiah

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 21:20

@AdrianF007: 9 days to the Chinese GP and I'm sure @SChecoPerez and @TheFifthDriver will be stronger

:confused:

#3821 chumma

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:43

:confused:

The Grand Prix isn't this weekend its next

#3822 Timstr11

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:00

:confused:

Not a strange comment.
@AdrianF007 is Perez's manager and the gp weekend starts on thursday for drivers.

Edited by Timstr11, 03 April 2013 - 06:00.


#3823 bauss

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 12:43

old habits die hard, just like LH's pitstop snafu last race, by default when I visit the forums, first thing I click on is this thread...

#3824 Owen

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:48

Rehash of the doom and gloom predictions from the James Allen podcast:
http://www.jamesalle...me-time-to-fix/

Hope it's a flawed analysis. :well:

#3825 JRizzle86

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:01

Rehash of the doom and gloom predictions from the James Allen podcast:
http://www.jamesalle...me-time-to-fix/

Hope it's a flawed analysis. :well:


Think that was James backup story when he accidently posted the Lotus April fools story. But to be honest i think Williams have enough problems without feeling the need to comment on the engineering capability of others.

#3826 nosecone

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 13:30

If they can gain the .3 a lap that I read in an article (which one, im not sure) then if they achieve that in China, I think they can fight for the win there already, this car will be like the 24, once they work one thing out, everything will start snowballing and time will come to the car quickly and easily.

but in 2009 they had a gain of 1s due to the DD. This year it wont be that easy

#3827 Owen

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 15:39

Nice cover

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#3828 Slartibartfast

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 15:49

Nice cover

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That probably means their new sponsor is Bob the Builder...

#3829 rodlamas

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 17:07

Nice cover

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So what does it say?

#3830 maverick69

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 17:18

So what does it say?


"In hindsight......."

#3831 Wingnut

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 17:21

"In hindsight......."


:lol:


#3832 muramasa

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 17:24


"Hondas"

#3833 Peter Perfect

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 18:45

Rehash of the doom and gloom predictions from the James Allen podcast:
http://www.jamesalle...me-time-to-fix/

Hope it's a flawed analysis. :well:

From what he's saying if it really is the suspension that's the issue (worst case scenario) and they need to move the pick-up points then Spain would be the GP to target (surely a patch job would be a solution given the amount of work they'll have preparing for next year). That's not the worst thing in the world considering their performance in the last GP is hopefully a sign that they could pick up some decent points in the next few races. The best case scenario is that it is an aero problem and they make decent inroads into solving the problem in China.

Either way I'm confident that McLaren will pull out all the stops to track down and solve whatever the issue is. The key, as has been said, is that they understand what the root cause is.

#3834 ZooL

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 20:06

"In hindsight......."

Cracking :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#3835 BigCHrome

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 20:08

So which remaining tracks are smooth and which tracks are bumpier?

#3836 ZooL

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 20:18

So which remaining tracks are smooth and which tracks are bumpier?

McLaren have always had a very stiff car for 3 years now, not convinced a bumpy track is going to make a difference. None of them are that bumpy anyway, there race tracks, not roads.

And I don't buy that McLaren with all their racing heritage designed a car that dislikes bumps, thats a real disservice to the team.

#3837 Markn93

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 20:25

McLaren have always had a very stiff car for 3 years now, not convinced a bumpy track is going to make a difference. None of them are that bumpy anyway, there race tracks, not roads.

And I don't buy that McLaren with all their racing heritage designed a car that dislikes bumps, thats a real disservice to the team.

Monaco? Singapore?

But the next couple are very smooth, China and Bahrain.

#3838 BillBald

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 22:33

McLaren have always had a very stiff car for 3 years now, not convinced a bumpy track is going to make a difference. None of them are that bumpy anyway, there race tracks, not roads.

And I don't buy that McLaren with all their racing heritage designed a car that dislikes bumps, thats a real disservice to the team.


I understand that the bumps are a problem, because the aero is hyper-sensitive and will only work with a very specific ride-height.

The aero itself is clearly deficient, otherwise they wouldn't have been able to bring improvements by taking a hacksaw to aero parts.

Now they've had time to analyse the problem, I will be very disappointed if we don't see a big improvement in China. But for the car to work as intended, we may have to wait a while.



#3839 BigCHrome

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:50

McLaren have always had a very stiff car for 3 years now, not convinced a bumpy track is going to make a difference. None of them are that bumpy anyway, there race tracks, not roads.

And I don't buy that McLaren with all their racing heritage designed a car that dislikes bumps, thats a real disservice to the team.


Of course the bumps are a problem. Compare McLaren's performance at Australia (bumpy) to Sepang.

McLaren have had a stiff car before as well, but it looks like this one is more extreme and sensitive to changes in ride height.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:46

didnt it bounce around in melbourne? thats probably getting the shock package, and some spring rate wrong

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:05

didnt it bounce around in melbourne? thats probably getting the shock package, and some spring rate wrong


Bounced around due to stiff springs. Stiff springs are to ensure that ride height is consistent for the aero to work efficiently.

#3842 V3TT3L

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:11

JA / Mark Gillan says it will take 90 days or until Canada GP to fix car problems. :eek:

http://www.jamesalle...me-time-to-fix/

#3843 Owen

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:31

JA / Mark Gillan says it will take 90 days or until Canada GP to fix car problems. :eek:

http://www.jamesalle...me-time-to-fix/

Lets see. Im not so sure.

#3844 rodlamas

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:01

JA / Mark Gillan says it will take 90 days or until Canada GP to fix car problems. :eek:

http://www.jamesalle...me-time-to-fix/


This will happen if they have to change the suspension mounting points, which is something they are supposing. So let's not get that worried. For the moment.;)

#3845 maverick69

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:16

Didn't Lotus have to change its suspension mountings last year? Everyone was saying it would take ages etc - but they turned it around pretty quickly.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:23

Didn't Lotus have to change its suspension mountings last year? Everyone was saying it would take ages etc - but they turned it around pretty quickly.

Indeed, a temporary bodge job, whilst adding a little weight, could help until they build a whole new chassis.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:45

Didn't Lotus have to change its suspension mountings last year? Everyone was saying it would take ages etc - but they turned it around pretty quickly.


That was simply to add more strength to the pick up point, complete different to moving the pick ups.

#3848 Owen

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:56

McLaren Preview of China GP 'a reboot to the start of the season'
http://f1elvis.com/mclaren/

"The three-week break between rounds two and three has been a useful one; we have been fully engaged in further developing our understanding of the MP4-28 and are confident of being able to implement a number of changes this weekend that will widen its operating window and, potentially, improve its performance."
Martin Whitmarsh

"We know where we’re losing performance, so I think we’re actually all looking forward to seeing just what we can achieve in Shanghai."
Jenson Button

"For me, it’s been incredible to not only see the speed of the team’s reaction, but also the positive way that everyone has pulled together to make those changes. It’s been an incredible team effort."
Sergio Perez

Edited by Owen, 05 April 2013 - 12:00.


#3849 MirNyet

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 13:47

Since we know they cannot have made a new tub in the time they have had since the last race, what are peoples thoughts on what new pieces/changes, we are going to see on the car come Friday considering that they have said they have found something and addressed it?

Front wing pieces,
New barge boards,
Winglets under the nose,
Re-profiled suspension arms,
Different rockers/Torsion bars,
Changes to the floor,
Re-profiled diffuser?

Or do you think it is going to be set up related?



#3850 Owen

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 18:46

Since we know they cannot have made a new tub in the time they have had since the last race, what are peoples thoughts on what new pieces/changes, we are going to see on the car come Friday considering that they have said they have found something and addressed it?

Front wing pieces,
New barge boards,
Winglets under the nose,
Re-profiled suspension arms,
Different rockers/Torsion bars,
Changes to the floor,
Re-profiled diffuser?

Or do you think it is going to be set up related?

Definitely a new floor! And possibly a revised front wing. But that's an armchair guess!