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#51 SEdward

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 17:30

Lotus (sort of) - if you count the Le Mans Index of Performance as a win.


Sort of, but not really...

I meant outright wins.

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#52 Tim Murray

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 17:55

No team other than McLaren matches Edward's exact criteria. Mercedes and Peugeot come closest - they dominated GP racing in their respective eras and also won at Le Mans and Indianapolis. Mercedes, of course, won at Indy before the merger with Benz. Teams with (a good claim to) two out of three include Delage, Bugatti, Alfa Romeo, Maserati, Lotus and Ferrari.

Edited by Tim Murray, 04 February 2013 - 17:57.


#53 Phil Rainford

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 17:59

This was in the pit area at a McLaren event at Silverstone last year ....

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#54 SEdward

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 18:15

That's the one!
That poster is an expression of respect, admiration and tenderness.

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#55 Muz Bee

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 01:37

Love it, Bruce would too I'm sure! :)

#56 Michael Ferner

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 16:29

I seem to remember that at the time of the merger it was reported on Autosprint that there was plan to rename the company as MP4 International. Was that ever a possibility?


Well, the company WAS renamed McLaren International. It was Bruce McLaren Motor Racing before...

#57 Michael Ferner

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 17:09

Oops, :blush:... Should've checked WHO I was trying to 'help'...

#58 flatlander48

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 23:05

Indeed ............they are trying to sell a road car against Ferrari, Porsche etc and therefore have to use all the marketing tools at their disposal



I'm sorry. That's a pretty cynical way of looking at things.

Anyway, my son sent the link to me early this week. I am 64 and he is 31 and we both enjoyed the video. I suspect our thought processes may be a bit different, but that's immaterial. For me, it was a reminder of what Bruce McLaren stood for and his thought processes. He created his company in his own image; that of a racer. For all of the things that it does, the company remains at its core a company of racers. That is the legacy of Bruce McLaren followed on by Teddy Mayer and Ron Dennis.

For those who didn't like the video, there will be 2 more released during the course of the year, so you get 2 more chances to object.

For those who missed it, here is the video for the MP4/28. The M8D that McLaren crashed is on display, fully restored. If only it were that easy to bring people back...

MP4/28 Introduction

#59 flatlander48

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 23:06

I believe this was published back in the day...

This was in the pit area at a McLaren event at Silverstone last year ....

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#60 PCC

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:17

The M8D that McLaren crashed is on display, fully restored.
MP4/28 Introduction

I greatly hope that I'm correct in thinking that you've misinterpreted that. This is an M8D, which is the model in which Bruce died, but I don't know of any claim that this is the very chassis he crashed. Surely McLaren would have more class than that...

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 10:29

I greatly hope that I'm correct in thinking that you've misinterpreted that. This is an M8D, which is the model in which Bruce died, but I don't know of any claim that this is the very chassis he crashed. Surely McLaren would have more class than that...


I doubt if that would have been possible, Specialised Mouldings were involved, as some thought initially that a bodywork problem had caused Bruce's crash, though this was later disproved. A few solicitors' letters passed between SM in Huntingdon and Colnbrook, I'm sure that McLaren said then that the car's remains had been cut up and destroyed, and having seen at first hand how their loss had affected them, I'm sure that was true, haven't we covered all this before on TNF? They weren't too sentimental about old cars the way McLaren are today, and I don't recall seeing any that had been kept after their racing days were past. In any case, despite the fact that they were relatively wealthy by the standards of the day, the team had a very "waste not want not" attitude, and old cars were re-cycled wherever possible, I think that at least two of the three M8As built were rebuilt into M8Bs for example, so the only surviving M8A is the one being very slowly restored by the Bruce McLaren Trust.

On that photo, the one here is a heavily cropped version, it was credited to Dale von Trebra, and it was used in a Gulf advertising campaign back then. The story was that Bruce found "Rick McTurtle" crossing the track at St Jovite in June 1969 and adopted it for the team.


#62 Nigel Beresford

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 10:33

McLaren has /1

The Goodwood car was /2

#63 mfd

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 10:43

I greatly hope that I'm correct in thinking that you've misinterpreted that. This is an M8D, which is the model in which Bruce died, but I don't know of any claim that this is the very chassis he crashed. Surely McLaren would have more class than that...

The Bruce McLaren website lists M8D-2 as the Goodwood car - Destroyed. The car at the McLaren launch is M8D-1, a car used by exclusively by Denny Hulme until sold to Motschenbacher in 1971
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#64 mfd

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:05

I'm not convinced this is genuine but if it is :confused:

https://www.facebook...3...e=1

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 14:07

I'm not convinced this is genuine but if it is :confused:

https://www.facebook...3...e=1


That picture is so wrong. If true Mclaren should be ashamed of themselves.

#66 Gary C

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 14:14

well that's obviously Photoshopped, isn't it.

#67 jj2728

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 14:48

I'm not convinced this is genuine but if it is :confused:

https://www.facebook...3...e=1


Another one for the 'wtf' files....photoshopped and hideous.

#68 kayemod

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 15:25

That picture is so wrong. If true Mclaren should be ashamed of themselves.


I'd have preferred to see an orange MP4-593, or whatever number they're up to now.


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 18:27

I'm sure that McLaren said then that the car's remains had been cut up and destroyed, and having seen at first hand how their loss had affected them, I'm sure that was true.

Thank you Rob (and Nigel, and mfd ) for that confirmation.

The attached photo was included in a press release as an 8x10 glossy just before the 1970 Mosport Can-Am (alas, I've long since lost the glossy; this is scanned from a program). It is number five and has Denny's name, but it is evidently Bruce driving. It may be one of the last photos of him in a racing car.

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#70 Nigel Beresford

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 19:16

Obviously that's /1, the car intended for Denny, due to the fact that the numbers were painted on rather than decals. It also makes sense that the boss would get /2, with any minor tidying up done in light of the experience building /1.

I do remember, prior to 2nd June 1970, this picture being posted on the notice board in Colnbrook, for the benefit of those who were factory based.

#71 PCC

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 19:33

Obviously that's /1, the car intended for Denny, due to the fact that the numbers were painted on rather than decals. It also makes sense that the boss would get /2, with any minor tidying up done in light of the experience building /1.

I do remember, prior to 2nd June 1970, this picture being posted on the notice board in Colnbrook, for the benefit of those who were factory based.

Thank you for that. According to the Bruce McLaren website, Bruce crashed in Denny's car. So might Bruce's have been /1, and Denny's /2?

#72 Nigel Beresford

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 19:52

Eoin Young's book, "McLaren!", reckons the initial test car was /1, as in the pic. Bruce then tested and crashed his own car, /2, with Denny's bodywork because his car's body was not yet completed. Surely the bodywork is the source of the impression that it was Denny's car.

Edited by Nigel Beresford, 08 February 2013 - 20:17.


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 20:05

I'm not sure where you're looking but this is copied from the Bruce McLaren Trust website


Driver - McLaren
M8D-2 Can-Am Car
Crashed at Goodwood destroyed

Driver - Hulme
M8D-1 Can-Am car
1970 Motschenbacher
19?? Stan Sarkowitz
19?? McLaren International
2007 McLaren Racing – fully restored, on display at MTC