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#51 Meanbeakin

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:25

This thread wasnt created to discuss the merits of Bruno's driving skills.
I guess the mods got so sick of this type of discussion hence why all the threads got closed down.

This thread is ENQUIRING ABOUT BRUNO'S PLANS FOR 2013 BE IT IN F1 OR ANOTHER SERIES.

Please leave all the discussions about what you think about his driving skills / comparisons to other drivers in another thread..


Haven't heard anything, I wonder if Indy would be a goer. It all depends if he wants to keep an F1 path open for the future or if he's conceded that he's done in F1.

He's had a bad luck career no doubt. I just wonder how much different things would have been had Honda not pulled out of F1 at the end of 2008 when he seemed certain to have the drive for 2009 (In what turned out to be a race winning car). Instead he wound up with the complete opposite, Hispania.

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#52 TheUltimateWorrier

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:35

He's had a bad luck career no doubt. I just wonder how much different things would have been had Honda not pulled out of F1 at the end of 2008 when he seemed certain to have the drive for 2009 (In what turned out to be a race winning car). Instead he wound up with the complete opposite, Hispania.

He's certainly a 'what if' driver, like you say, had Brawn chosen him for 2009 would we have seen another rookie sensation?

I'm sure there's been interviews posted here before saying he (and his family) don't want him to do Indycar. But I suppose you can't say anything is certain in the world of motorsport.

#53 aditya-now

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 23:45

I've been keeping an eye on his Twitter account to see if something gets spilled, but I've not seen anything to date. I know Juan Kerr said in the Bruno Senna topic he would be driving for Force India in 2013, but I've seen nothing to indicate he will even be a real consideration for the seat. I believe Caterham may be his only option, and with Petrov as the other option, I have real doubts as to his chances of getting onto the grid. Not to say it can't happen, but it seems unlikely.


Petrov option obviously died away due to his management not getting more funding. So Senna might be still in for another seat - however, another very bad seat.

#54 Tract1on

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:13

Would Bruno want to run at the back of the grid every sunday?

Petrov option obviously died away due to his management not getting more funding. So Senna might be still in for another seat - however, another very bad seat.



#55 BoschKurve

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 19:17

Petrov option obviously died away due to his management not getting more funding. So Senna might be still in for another seat - however, another very bad seat.


If there's anything to be learned from this whole thing, it's that the "Senna" name isn't as much of a door-opener as some would like to think.

It does bring up an interesting question though: Is it better to drive for a backmarker than to not drive in F1 at all? I'd still love to know why Juan Kerr is so certain Bruno will be driving for Force India this year.

#56 Kingshark

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 19:24

Here's where the Force India rumor comes from, perhaps;

Bruno Senna remains hopeful he will be on the 2013 Formula 1 grid

Bruno Senna remains hopeful he will be on the Formula 1 grid next season despite having lost his seat at Williams.

The Brazilian has been replaced by Finnish driver Valtteri Bottas, who will partner Pastor Maldonado from the 2013 season.

Senna has been in talks with Caterham and Force India and is believed to be still in the running for a seat with both teams.

AUTOSPORT understands that Senna tested a DTM car for Mercedes at Estoril last week, but he says he is still working hard to secure a slot for what would be his second full season in F1.

"You're never relaxed until you have a nice signed contract, but we're working very hard," Senna told AUTOSPORT. "Chris [Goodwin, manager] is a busy little bee. He's been doing his job very well.

"Hopefully before the end of the year we'll have a nice clear path to follow."

Senna insisted that having to make way for Bottas in 15 Friday practice sessions during the season made his year more difficult.

The Brazilian reckons he still did a good job considering his relative lack of experience.

"It's a tough world championship," he added. "This has probably been the toughest Formula 1 world championship in many years. I think that coming into it as my first real year in Formula 1 was already a challenge.

"And then missing practice sessions all over the season, probably missing about 30 per cent of all the practice sessions of the year, is a lot of practice missed.

"That probably puts you in a position where you shouldn't be at the start, only by a couple of tenths sometimes.

"It's made my year much more difficult. But still I've learned a lot. It's been a very big learning curve for me, and a very good one."



#57 BoschKurve

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 20:15

Here's where the Force India rumor comes from, perhaps;

Bruno Senna remains hopeful he will be on the 2013 Formula 1 grid


Thanks for the link.

I think he needs to start considering driving in the DTM for 2013. It might not be ideal, but plenty of other drivers have had to accept if they want to drive for a living they have to stick to other race series. Although I wonder how long his major sponsors would stick around.

Of course I could be completely wrong and he will be on the F1 grid in 2013.

Edited by BoschKurve, 15 January 2013 - 20:15.


#58 karne

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:55

I think the FIA should institute a rule saying that your driver lineup must be fixed by X date, preferably 31 Dec.

Just because for drivers still hanging on waiting for a seat, it makes it harder to find seats in other series the longer this drags on. Look at what happened to Bruno in 2009 with the Brawn drive - he was strung along, oh yes, oh yes, we'll have you, we'll have you - right at the end of February/beginning of March suddenly they turn around and say, "No, we won't have you". Bang. Tell me how easy it is to find a full-time drive in ANYTHING in March.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:35

If you can bring a decent budget you'll get a full time drive in anything outside F1 at any time!

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#60 r4mses

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:51

Thanks for the link.

I think he needs to start considering driving in the DTM for 2013. It might not be ideal, but plenty of other drivers have had to accept if they want to drive for a living they have to stick to other race series. Although I wonder how long his major sponsors would stick around.

Of course I could be completely wrong and he will be on the F1 grid in 2013.


I don't think anyone in DTM is interested in Senna.

Was a whole different story when the likes of Ralf Schumacher, Heinz-Harald Frentzen, Mika Häkkinen or even David Coulthard and Jean Alesi were considered joining the series. They were - well, still are - popular in Germany. Either because they're German and rather succesful F1 drivers (winning GPs isn't that bad...) or because they're long related to Mercedes as a brand. Bruno Senna however... well... I guess nobody cares. No need for such a PR stunt.

Edited by r4mses, 16 January 2013 - 09:52.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 14:07

Just saw on Twitter a RUMOR that someone is at Force India now - and they're gonna announce Senna...

Hey, it's Twitter and the Internet, so it's gotta be true eh....

https://twitter.com/...541495901732864

Edited by BoozeBaron, 16 January 2013 - 14:09.


#62 BoschKurve

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 14:13

Just saw on Twitter a RUMOR that someone is at Force India now - and they're gonna announce Senna...

Hey, it's Twitter and the Internet, so it's gotta be true eh....

https://twitter.com/...541495901732864


I love the internet, it's given a voice to many people who wouldn't otherwise have one. Myself included. :lol:

If he is right, then he will have managed to scoop all the F1 media sources which is no small feat in itself.

#63 BoozeBaron

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 14:19

I love the internet, it's given a voice to many people who wouldn't otherwise have one. Myself included. :lol:

If he is right, then he will have managed to scoop all the F1 media sources which is no small feat in itself.

Indeed and agreed... I thought the 'delay' was over whether Force India would even be able to field a team this season with all of VJ's "issues"... Guess Sahara came thru after all - and yeah, this would scoop most F1 media pundits :) #LovinIt! :))))))

#64 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 14:21

I love the internet, it's given a voice to many people who wouldn't otherwise have one. Myself included. :lol:

If he is right, then he will have managed to scoop all the F1 media sources which is no small feat in itself.


He hasn't scooped anything, there's two parts to the statement. The first is that the driver line-up is settled. He added on that the gossip is Senna. Something you could have got from this thread.

#65 BoschKurve

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 14:25

He hasn't scooped anything, there's two parts to the statement. The first is that the driver line-up is settled. He added on that the gossip is Senna. Something you could have got from this thread.


It's been rumored a few times about Bruno, but this would be the first time something possibly definitive has been said. The media pretty much had it down to Sutil and Bianchi the past couple of months. According to them at large, there was no one else close to even getting the 2nd seat.

I'll still wait till an official statement is made from the team.

Edited by BoschKurve, 16 January 2013 - 14:28.


#66 BoschKurve

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 14:27

Indeed and agreed... I thought the 'delay' was over whether Force India would even be able to field a team this season with all of VJ's "issues"... Guess Sahara came thru after all - and yeah, this would scoop most F1 media pundits :) #LovinIt! :))))))


That was my thought as well. In spite of the claims to the contrary, I've been of the belief all of Vijay's business dealings going south have had an impact on Force India. Had they announced they would not be fielding a team in 2013, I would not have been one bit surprised. But if Senna is in fact the 2nd driver, then it's likely because of his sponsorship money helping to alleviate some of the financial concerns with FI.

#67 tractionman

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 14:37

It just seems to be another twitter rumor- I would not give it any credibility whatsoever. Bruno told the Brazilian media during the weekend kart event that the situation was not clear and his statements really seemed downbeat. I think he is done as far as f1 is concerned.

Edited by tractionman, 16 January 2013 - 14:56.


#68 Rosberg

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 15:45

No offence to Bruno Senna or Paul Di Resta but if Force India want to get 5th place in the Constructors, they need drivers with a lot of talent, not a lot of money.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 15:58

As much as id like to believe that "tweet" i cant help but think its BS.
I dont understand the mentality of people who get kicks spreading lies like that.....
*BUT* if it is true, then great, i think its a solid lineup.

#70 flatlander48

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 22:46

Interesting that Caterham and Force India have stretched their decisions to quite late and Bruno Senna is talking to both. Hmmmm....

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 22:54

If Force India or Caterham was going to announce something, I'm sure it would be between 10-3. I've never seen a driver announcement being late or early.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 23:01

Interesting that Caterham and Force India have stretched their decisions to quite late and Bruno Senna is talking to both. Hmmmm....

He potentially brings a lot of money. Who wouldn't be interested to hear how much he brings?

As much as id like to believe that "tweet" i cant help but think its BS.
I dont understand the mentality of people who get kicks spreading lies like that.....
*BUT* if it is true, then great, i think its a solid lineup.

Lol he wants his 15 minutes of fame, like those strange kids at school who said Michael Jackson was their uncle or something daft to get attention. What's stupid is he's claiming his wife is Vijay's 'personal bookie' and telling people on twitter to go to a bookie and make a bet with this 'inside information'. Whether his 'inside information' is correct, he's a moron for suggesting this imo.

If Force India or Caterham was going to announce something, I'm sure it would be between 10-3. I've never seen a driver announcement being late or early.

Grosjean was announced quite late in the evening back in December.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 23:05

Good point. Also, looking at what time Hulkenberg was confirmed for Force India and on their twitter, it had 7:01AM. Hate it when I'm proved wrong :(

Still, I believe Bruno Senna will be with Caterham with Jules Bianchi to Force India.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:43

Any news?
Force India would be great, Caterham not so much.. but better than nothing i guess

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 18:52

Any news?
Force India would be great, Caterham not so much.. but better than nothing i guess


According to Saward Bruno is out of F1.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 21:32

The fact of the matter is that in current F1 standards you only get a chance, and there's no excuse, you HAVE to beat you teamate and you impress. Bruno was solid but far from impressive, and didnt beat Maldo.

See ya.

#77 BoschKurve

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 20:03

According to Saward Bruno is out of F1.


Hardly a surprise.

Hopefully he'll go do the sensible thing and drive sports cars or perhaps even LeMans Prototypes.

He had his chance, much as I'd loved to have seen him back again, it was a long shot altogether.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 20:10

Bruno is the best choice for Force India. The guy has not had a good full season in F1 yet. First the HRT fiasco, then a few races for Lotus in which he was promising, then a season at poort Williams where he was constantly under threat of Bottas stepping in for 2013.
Give the bloke a fair, full season in a decent car and he will show you what he can do.

#79 Kingshark

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 20:12

Out of F1 at last. Hate to point it out, but I'm happy. He's had too many chances. It's commonly agreed that pay drivers aren't a good thing for F1. Let a young, new talent have the remaining open F1 seats.

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#80 Fulcrum

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 20:19

Out of F1 at last. Hate to point it out, but I'm happy. He's had too many chances. It's commonly agreed that pay drivers aren't a good thing for F1. Let a young, new talent have the remaining open F1 seats.

+1

#81 skywing

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 20:31

Bruno is the best choice for Force India. The guy has not had a good full season in F1 yet. First the HRT fiasco, then a few races for Lotus in which he was promising, then a season at poort Williams where he was constantly under threat of Bottas stepping in for 2013.
Give the bloke a fair, full season in a decent car and he will show you what he can do.

That Williams was a race-winning car, a pretty decent one IMO. And all this bitching about missing practice sessions is just funny. Bruno knew before he signed the contract that Valtteri would drive most of FP1s and still decided to sign it.

#82 Kingshark

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 20:42

Senna had FP1 in Australia, Monaco, Canada, Singapore and USA.

Australia: Destroyed by Maldonado.
Monaco: Out-qualified by Maldonado again. Scored 1 point while his teammate crashed with an HRT.
Canada: Out performed by Maldonado all weeked long.
Singapore: Annihilated by Maldonado.
USA: The only weekend where he was close to Maldonado. Still, Pastor out qualified and out raced him.

People, please stop making excuses. He's not good enough for F1, sadly, which as quite a shame as he seems to be such a nice bloke.

#83 BoschKurve

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 20:54

Out of F1 at last. Hate to point it out, but I'm happy. He's had too many chances. It's commonly agreed that pay drivers aren't a good thing for F1. Let a young, new talent have the remaining open F1 seats.


$150K for the seat in the Jordan 191 says otherwise.

Every driver is a pay driver in some form, it's just a question of whether they are good or not.

Edited by BoschKurve, 03 February 2013 - 20:54.


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 20:54

Senna had FP1 in Australia, Monaco, Canada, Singapore and USA.

Australia: Destroyed by Maldonado.
Monaco: Out-qualified by Maldonado again. Scored 1 point while his teammate crashed with an HRT.
Canada: Out performed by Maldonado all weeked long.
Singapore: Annihilated by Maldonado.
USA: The only weekend where he was close to Maldonado. Still, Pastor out qualified and out raced him.

People, please stop making excuses. He's not good enough for F1, sadly, which as quite a shame as he seems to be such a nice bloke.

:up:

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 20:58

Senna had FP1 in Australia, Monaco, Canada, Singapore and USA.

Australia: Destroyed by Maldonado.
Monaco: Out-qualified by Maldonado again. Scored 1 point while his teammate crashed with an HRT.
Canada: Out performed by Maldonado all weeked long.
Singapore: Annihilated by Maldonado.
USA: The only weekend where he was close to Maldonado. Still, Pastor out qualified and out raced him.

People, please stop making excuses. He's not good enough for F1, sadly, which as quite a shame as he seems to be such a nice bloke.

+1

I dunno what people see in him. He is boring driver, slow per 1 lap, and makes mistakes

Would choose Petrov over him any day.

Edited by Shiroo, 03 February 2013 - 21:00.


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 21:08

Senna had FP1 in Australia, Monaco, Canada, Singapore and USA.

Australia: Destroyed by Maldonado.
Monaco: Out-qualified by Maldonado again. Scored 1 point while his teammate crashed with an HRT.
Canada: Out performed by Maldonado all weeked long.
Singapore: Annihilated by Maldonado.
USA: The only weekend where he was close to Maldonado. Still, Pastor out qualified and out raced him.

People, please stop making excuses. He's not good enough for F1, sadly, which as quite a shame as he seems to be such a nice bloke.

:up:

The excuses for him are baffling. He's had three chances now, they may not have been ideal but they are three more than most drivers get.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:02

:up:

The excuses for him are baffling. He's had three chances now, they may not have been ideal but they are three more than most drivers get.


Surely expecting him to shine without an entirely fair crack of the whip is unfair. I personally would take Bruno Senna over Glock or Petrov any day of the week yet we have loads of people bemoaning their loss. Its hard to see anything here other than his name really working against him.

I think he will do well in a Force India if given a fair chance. He's a good solid driver, and a nice bloke to boot.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:52

I don't think Bruno was that bad, not relative to Pastor at least.

If you look at 2012 Pastor was in the points 4 times, Bruno 10. I get Pastor scored more, but consistency is important for a mid field team. You don't get Spain 2012 too often.

Edited by Nathan, 04 February 2013 - 01:57.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:03

Maldonado had every practice session and that counts not just by weekend, but for the entire season. When you can develop the car around you by having every practice session in every race it's not unreasonable to think he'll outperform Senna. On top of it he's been with the team longer. What's really sad is Maldonado's points results besides his race win hardly showed him to be better than what Senna scored. Maldonado was kept because he brings more cash, he's like a 6 compared to Senna's 5 on a 10 scale. Be realistic. Winning a race is great, but even Grosjean outscored him and he's the most controversial driver being kept!

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:42

He 's not worth a seat, not even a HRT seat.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 06:50

I don't think Bruno was that bad, not relative to Pastor at least.

If you look at 2012 Pastor was in the points 4 times, Bruno 10. I get Pastor scored more, but consistency is important for a mid field team. You don't get Spain 2012 too often.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 06:58

Surely expecting him to shine without an entirely fair crack of the whip is unfair. I personally would take Bruno Senna over Glock or Petrov any day of the week yet we have loads of people bemoaning their loss. Its hard to see anything here other than his name really working against him.

I think he will do well in a Force India if given a fair chance. He's a good solid driver, and a nice bloke to boot.


That is very convenient to compare number of point finishes. A single win > 20 10th place finishes in terms of points, so much for the consistency!!
Bruno, not even at single point came close to show the brilliance of FW34.

I haven't heard a single complain from Force India drivers (even from the past) who also share their seat for significant number of Friday mornings with test drivers.



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Posted 04 February 2013 - 07:22

I think Paul and Bruno would be a perfect match. Both were put at an unfair disadvantage when they had to share their car with the reserve driver in FP1.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 07:29

That is very convenient to compare number of point finishes. A single win > 20 10th place finishes in terms of points, so much for the consistency!!
Bruno, not even at single point came close to show the brilliance of FW34.

I haven't heard a single complain from Force India drivers (even from the past) who also share their seat for significant number of Friday mornings with test drivers.


Remember when Vettel missed a practice in Abu Dhabi and it meant Webber out qualified him? (I thinking was AD, brake issue?) This proves even one practice session can affect a top driver.

#95 Meanbeakin

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 07:43

The Free Practice thing certainly didn't help Bruno, but he knew the score when he took the drive. He was also unfortunate in that Maldonado had some brilliant qualifying performances. But at the end of the day I'd totally agree that he didn't do enough to warrant to stay at Williams and he certainly wouldn't be the best potential driver they could get at Force India (Sutil, Glock and Kovalainen would all be preferable, and if they're after a young guy then Bianchi would be preferable).

I'm slightly puzzled as to why Caterham wouldn't have taken him though. Bruno's cashed up and has experience, I thought it would have been a fit. I did read somewhere though that Bruno's sponsors didn't want anything to do with Caterham or Marussia, maybe that was the issue?

#96 ivand911

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:04

When Heidfeld is without seat, why I should be sorry about Bruno?

#97 Zava

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:05

Remember when Vettel missed a practice in Abu Dhabi and it meant Webber out qualified him? (I thinking was AD, brake issue?) This proves even one practice session can affect a top driver.

yeah, but that was FP3, the most crucial (the only really crucial?) free practice, not FP1.

#98 Massa

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:08

When Heidfeld is without seat, why I should be sorry about Bruno?



It's strange.

Senna is a poor driver, i don't know some guys here " defend " him.

#99 Zava

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:08

Surely expecting him to shine without an entirely fair crack of the whip is unfair. I personally would take Bruno Senna over Glock or Petrov any day of the week yet we have loads of people bemoaning their loss. Its hard to see anything here other than his name really working against him.

I think he will do well in a Force India if given a fair chance. He's a good solid driver, and a nice bloke to boot.

I don't think it's his name that makes people dislike him, more like that he's about to get his 4th (!) chance even though he's already proved that he's no good. the hype he gets from Ayrton fans is second to that, but doesn't help either, I must give you that.
I find it pretty telling that no team has kept him on for a second year.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:13

I knew in his first year when he was worse than Chandock that he didnt have what it takes,with a name like Senna and all his money he would of landed a ferrari seat if he was any good.

He is no where near good enough to be in F1.