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Poll: Audi R18 vs Toyota TS030 (73 member(s) have cast votes)

In your mind, the superior car at the moment is...

  1. Audi R18 (both Ultra and E-Tron Quattro) (29 votes [39.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 39.73%

  2. Toyota TS030 Hybrid (44 votes [60.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.27%

Le Mans 24 Hours overall winner in 2013 will be...

  1. Audi Sport (36 votes [49.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 49.32%

  2. Toyota Racing (36 votes [49.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 49.32%

  3. One of the LMP1 privateers (1 votes [1.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.37%

  4. Someone from outside LMP1 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

Which of the following manufacturers will field WORKS LMP1 cars in the 2014 Le Mans 24h?

  1. Audi (55 votes [25.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.82%

  2. Toyota (63 votes [29.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.58%

  3. Porsche (55 votes [25.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.82%

  4. Honda (7 votes [3.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.29%

  5. Mazda (8 votes [3.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.76%

  6. Nissan (11 votes [5.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.16%

  7. Jaguar (8 votes [3.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.76%

  8. OTHER (6 votes [2.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.82%

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#1 SonnyViceR

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 14:58

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#2 SonnyViceR

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 16:58

Interesting... Porsche is the only one that has officially announced it's participation for 2014... yet it's behind Audi & Toyota in votes here :wave:

#3 crooky369

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 16:59

Went for the TS030 as the better car in the WEC as it did seem to have an advantage once Toyota got over the non finish at Le Mans and the fuel problems at Silverstone. But for just Le Mans I'd still have to say the R18 is better. Not only is it bulletproof but it also has superior fuel efficiency.

Went for Audi to win it for the reasons above and that Audi are likely to be fielding one more car than Toyota.

Went for Audi, Porsche and Toyota for 2014 but I wouldn't say Toyota were dead certs and Audi might decide it pointless to have Porsche and Audi racing against each other so might also pull out.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 18:41

Went for the TS030 as the better car in the WEC as it did seem to have an advantage once Toyota got over the non finish at Le Mans and the fuel problems at Silverstone. But for just Le Mans I'd still have to say the R18 is better. Not only is it bulletproof but it also has superior fuel efficiency.

Same here; Toyota seem to have a slight edge but the Teutons wil raise their game a notch by Le Mans.

#5 SonnyViceR

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 19:22

Funky fact: since the retirement of the R10, here are the only races Audi has actually won when they've had competition from other P1 factories

Sebring 2009
Le Mans 2010
Le Mans 2011
Le Mans 2012
Silverstone 2012
Bahrain 2012

:p

But since LM is obviously the one everyone cares about, you can sort of forgive them

#6 midgrid

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 19:26

Went for the TS030 as the better car in the WEC as it did seem to have an advantage once Toyota got over the non finish at Le Mans and the fuel problems at Silverstone. But for just Le Mans I'd still have to say the R18 is better. Not only is it bulletproof but it also has superior fuel efficiency.

Went for Audi to win it for the reasons above and that Audi are likely to be fielding one more car than Toyota.


I agree with this, plus the fact that the Audi Joest team is so experienced in this race (notwithstanding the Peugeot personnel who switched to Toyota).


#7 pingu666

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 19:31

think i prefer the ts030, unless i could have the field mod tour modified audi :D


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 19:36

Funky fact: since the retirement of the R10, here are the only races Audi has actually won when they've had competition from other P1 factories

Sebring 2009
Le Mans 2010
Le Mans 2011
Le Mans 2012
Silverstone 2012
Bahrain 2012

:p

But since LM is obviously the one everyone cares about, you can sort of forgive them

Concentration of effort, happens in every sport; they only get properly serious about the events that matter most to them.


#9 SonnyViceR

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 19:51

Concentration of effort, happens in every sport; they only get properly serious about the events that matter most to them.


While Le Mans is obviously the main reason why they race and the other races (apart from Sebring and Petit Le Mans) might seem a bit trivial, consider this:

Losing the 2009 LM for Peugeot
Losing the 2009 PLM for Peugeot
Losing the 2010 PLM for Peugeot
Losing the 2010 ILMC championship for Peugeot
Losing the 2011 Sebring for Peugeot
Losing the 2011 PLM for Peugeot
Losing the 2011 ILMC championship for Peugeot


The Audi squad has made some catastrophic mistakes in the past few years, not only have the drivers been constantly making ill decisions in traffic and therefore crashing (into Ferraris) almost every single race but generally the team has not exactly shined outside la Sarthe. And even that hasn't been the best of places. Without the unfortunate mechanical issues Peugeot had in 2010 they'd been totally and utterly dominated. And IMO LM 2012 was one of the most shocking performances ever especially from the drivers, had they had proper competition they'd been crushed easily... what saved them from the petrol Lola Rebellions in the end was the admittely great engineering of the car and superior repairing speed only the factory teams can have

Edited by SonnyViceR, 07 January 2013 - 19:56.


#10 pingu666

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 20:04

and the big performance gap a derv gave them, i think rebilion had a pretty much perfect run?

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 20:47

and the big performance gap a derv gave them, i think rebilion had a pretty much perfect run?


#12 had no discernible issues, apart from a couple of longer pitstops (one probably to replenish oil/coolant, the other - waiting for a safety car train). 42:10 min spent in the pits, compared to 40:59 for the winning Audi. http://fiawec.alkame...tStops_Race.PDF

#12 TF110

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 21:31

I voted Toyota to take the win this year. And it's the better car. In their 3rd race(!) they lapped BOTH Audi's en route to their 1st WEC win. The R18 Ultra and the R18 E-Tron at Interlagos. Look to LeMans last year they passed Audi on track. On top of that they were using hard tires designed for Peugeot. They got off to a slow start but that was because it was their first race. They'll be hard to beat this year unless Audi can find a way to do more stints on a single set of tires.

#13 ArnageWRC

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 21:44

One gets the feeling that Audi don't need the fastest car to win. They have that 'know how' and somehow get the job done. Having very little competition obviously helps, but has the Toyota actually lasted 24 hours in a test?

2008 was the last time there was any significant rain during the race - if there is any this year, the part time 4WD will be a bonus.

Having said all that, I think the race and the sport needs a new winner, and Toyota have had a few near misses - I do hope they can win it.

What the sport needs is a few more Manufacturers in LMP1; c'mon Honda, Nissan...get moving.

#14 TF110

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 22:47

One gets the feeling that Audi don't need the fastest car to win. They have that 'know how' and somehow get the job done. Having very little competition obviously helps, but has the Toyota actually lasted 24 hours in a test?

2008 was the last time there was any significant rain during the race - if there is any this year, the part time 4WD will be a bonus.

Having said all that, I think the race and the sport needs a new winner, and Toyota have had a few near misses - I do hope they can win it.

What the sport needs is a few more Manufacturers in LMP1; c'mon Honda, Nissan...get moving.

That part time 4wd didn't give them a bonus vs. the RWD R18 Ultra at Spa. They still lost. They had tire wear issues, and continued to through the WEC. That's another reason Toyota was able to pass them at LeMans, on top of their superior speed. The Toyota engine has lasted Silverstone, Interlagos, Bahrain (4hrs+), Fuji and Shanghai. Even though that's not straight, it's still 28 combined hours reliably run on the engine. They'll be testing abundantly before this season begins, I doubt reliability will be a factor.

Edited by TF110, 07 January 2013 - 22:48.


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 22:52

Audi must have received a wake up call from Toyota - even if the regulations have helped Toyota in regards to the speeds the hybrid systems can kick in, and the allowance of their non-wing rear-wing extentions.

If they don't respond, Toyota will continue to develop enough to overcome the economy advantage of the diesel even at the 24h through sheer pace.

#16 ArnageWRC

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 23:16

That part time 4wd didn't give them a bonus vs. the RWD R18 Ultra at Spa. They still lost. They had tire wear issues, and continued to through the WEC. That's another reason Toyota was able to pass them at LeMans, on top of their superior speed. The Toyota engine has lasted Silverstone, Interlagos, Bahrain (4hrs+), Fuji and Shanghai. Even though that's not straight, it's still 28 combined hours reliably run on the engine. They'll be testing abundantly before this season begins, I doubt reliability will be a factor.



During the early part of the race at Spa, the Quattros waltzed away from the Ultras - however, when the track started to dry the tyre issues became evident. Which is why I thought Le Mans would be interesting, but it wasn't so. It's the tyre wear which convinced Toyota to stay with a RWD Hybrid, as I believe they tested both layouts.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 00:09

Re: the other 2014 entry options, are there any rumours for any of the names mentioned, as frankly I'd like to see any of those names starting the 24 hours next year.

Nissan have really ramped up their sportscar involvement in the last few years, will they jump up to LMP1 or do they get enough profile from the LMP2 program and their DeltaWing involvement (which might've been the best decision made in racing last year IMO)?

Mazda have recently built their SkyActiv diesel engine with views to running it in LMP2, but again would they have the resources to run a P1 effort?

#18 BigCHrome

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 01:48

Both make me want to gouge my eyes out.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 07:07

Why?

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#20 TF110

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 07:58

During the early part of the race at Spa, the Quattros waltzed away from the Ultras - however, when the track started to dry the tyre issues became evident. Which is why I thought Le Mans would be interesting, but it wasn't so. It's the tyre wear which convinced Toyota to stay with a RWD Hybrid, as I believe they tested both layouts.

The aerodynamics and the weight balance, plus the fact you can use RWD hybrid power immediately (any speed) unlike AWD which kicks in the front drive at 120kmh.

#21 kurski

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 08:44

I hope Toyota TS030 Hybrid win Le Mans 24h race this year and In the future I would like the Toyota/Porsche/Audi factory LMP1 teams in addition to the participation of the Honda, Nissan and Jaguar lmp1 factory teams.

#22 Wingcommander

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:13

I feel that Toyota will dominate this year. I mean, they came with a brand new car and were immediately quick. Now there might be races where Audi's fuel advantage might give them a chance, on pure speed i dont think they can beat Toyota. Which is quite suprising when you think how long they have developed their car.

As for the future, i just hope that instead of giving up Audi will up their game. 2014 could be a very interesting year, if we have Audi, Toyota and Porsche fighting each other. Three cars with different strengths and weaknesses could provide some entertainment.

#23 SonnyViceR

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:27

Both make me want to gouge my eyes out.


Funny, the F1 cars do the same exact thing to me  ;) I think that the 2006 models were the last ones that were at least moderately appealing to the eye

Edited by SonnyViceR, 08 January 2013 - 11:35.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:31

They're not that bad. Not beautiful, admittedly, but if you removed that god awful huge fin they'd look ok to me.

#25 SonnyViceR

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:34

I would think that the chances of P1 manufacturer participations in 2014 are something like this

Porsche - 99%
Audi - 75%
Toyota - 50%
Honda - 5%
Mazda - 2%
Nissan - 2%
Jaguar - 1%
Others - 1%

Resonings on this thread (post #19)
http://forums.autosp...w...t=0&start=0

#26 malibu

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:52

The problem is the equivalence in term of performance between different cars using different fuels.

It is impossible to have a perfect rule for that.

Audi must found much more performance for this year's lemans.
As for the rest, the have the best team out there since more than ten years.
Remember lemans 2008 when audis won with the R10, nearly 4 sec slower than peugeot. It was an outstanding team effort (no mistakes, incredible drive under the night rain from audi drivers)....

#27 SonnyViceR

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 17:25

I don't really understand why Audi chose diesel for the R18 in the first place, I mean with Peugeot it made sense in 2011 but they're now running more restricted (thank god for that) against the petrol Toyotas. The R10 and R15 already proved that you can have success with diesel powerplant and raised the awareness through that. They could've just went with petrol and the non-stop moaning could've stopped... hopefully we'll have all-petrol field by 2014.

Hybrids, couldn't care less. I'm not fond of their larger presence in the new regs either as it builds even bigger brick wall for the privateer teams, but I guess it is at least quite relevant and displays technologies other motorsport categories can only dream of.

Edited by SonnyViceR, 08 January 2013 - 17:32.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 18:57

Funny, the F1 cars do the same exact thing to me  ;) I think that the 2006 models were the last ones that were at least moderately appealing to the eye


LMP cars were fine for me before the decreased width of the RW and obviously those horrible shark fins.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 22:54

In 2014 the cars will 10 or 20mm thinner 1800-1900mm, and the wings will be 1800mm wide. I think the fin will stay. No reason for it IMO. The holes in the fenders will be either on top or inner fender (Toyota GT-One). I think Toyota will be there more than likely, because the incentives of the hybrid powertrain. They are the hybrid leader in the world. Where would it be better to showcase that you're the fastest with it than LeMans? In 2014 the hybrid power will be stronger, which plays right into Toyota's hand. Their supercapacitor is limited right now. I look forward to seeing these 3 battle it out. Hopefully they all have 3 cars. Don't forget the private teams will be using coupes as well, so there will have to be new designs and hopefully we see some surprise performances from some of them.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 23:20

There's a report in this week's Autosport which suggests that Audi and Porsche will compete against each other in 2014, which is good news if true! It would be a petrol (Porsche) vs diesel (Audi) contest, with both marques running hybrids.

#31 pingu666

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:39

they kept the wide front tyres for the new regs, which isnt gonna help the prettyness stakes :/


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:15

There's a report in this week's Autosport which suggests that Audi and Porsche will compete against each other in 2014, which is good news if true! It would be a petrol (Porsche) vs diesel (Audi) contest, with both marques running hybrids.

Toyota will be there in 2014 as well. No one knows if it'll be NA or turbo.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:25

Which is quite suprising when you think how long they have developed their car.

Dallara v midfield F1 team?

For all the cars they build every year, maybe Dallara are not at the level of expertise of a midfield F1 team.

The Audi certainly looks more refined and detailed in the aero IMO (the Toyota aero seems a bit crude with rectangular bits bodged on here and there), but it doesn't seem to actually be so.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:26

In 2014 the cars will 10 or 20mm thinner 1800-1900mm, and the wings will be 1800mm wide.

Do you mean 100 or 200 mm thinner?

Yuck, narrowbody like an F1 car. Ewww. :down:

#35 SonnyViceR

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:16

Toyota will be there in 2014 as well.


Not been confirmed.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 20:21

More tweaking between factory cars and privateers for 2013

HYBRIDS & DIESEL LMP1
Weight +15kg

NON HYBRIDS LMP1
Air restrictor +2%
Fuel flow restrictor +8%
Fuel tank +5 liters

Edited by SonnyViceR, 16 January 2013 - 20:22.


#37 TF110

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 20:26

Not been confirmed.

Officially, neither has Audi. :rolleyes:

#38 SonnyViceR

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 15:11

Officially, neither has Audi. :rolleyes:


Just as I said a few posts above :rolleyes:

Numerous sources now saying only one full season Toyota for WEC, and again only two cars for Le Mans - meaning that they don't really care about the championship (and why would they in thís situation), but seriously only two cars for LM is a big disappointment. This has not been officially confirmed but as I said, it is the word on the street.

Also JRM is officially gone WEC while OAK has allegedly backed out from privateer class too, and Rebellion is moving focus to (last season of) the ALMS, making LMP1 look extremely weak on this transition year before the 2014 regs come into play. John Dagys saying only 5-6 P1 entries max for WEC... which to me tells that the class probably won't have more than 10 cars for Le Mans :down: Funnily, the ALMS with it's dying P1 class might actually have pretty rivaling entry numbers, especially if JRM does some rounds as rumoured.

The official entry lists for LM and WEC will be out in few weeks.

Edited by SonnyViceR, 17 January 2013 - 15:15.


#39 SonnyViceR

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 16:24

Numerous sources now saying only one full season Toyota for WEC, and again only two cars for Le Mans - meaning that they don't really care about the championship (and why would they in thís situation), but seriously only two cars for LM is a big disappointment. This has not been officially confirmed but as I said, it is the word on the street.


Now confirmed by Toyota.

Looking pathetic for the WC.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 17:20

Not good, and very disappointing. They obviously don't care too much about the WEC, Le Mans is what they want.

I can't think of another reason why they'd only enter 1 car - are the returns not good enough for their investment.

#41 SonnyViceR

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 17:37

I've stated my anger towards WEC (or rather, the wrong timing and wrong format of it) numerous times, and I guess Toyota has similar thoughts. Le Mans is obviously the one that matters but dear god, I do not understand why they are entering only two cars for it! Audi has one bullet less in the gun than last year too (making the P1 factory entry numbers only 5, lowest since 2007) but of course they're the favourites. We've yet to even see Toyota running 24 hours straight without problems... even in testing they haven't archieved that (I think)! And they've only just started testing for this season now in January, while Audi has been putting miles in since Fall... Audi also gets better race prep as they're doing Sebring 12 hours before their season technically even starts.

IMO Toyota's 2014 participation is even further in doubt now.

#42 SonnyViceR

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 17:45

Btw Hindhaugh & Goodwin had a great sportscar discussion/rant on MWM yesterday, I recommend to check out the podcast if you didn't hear it live. Nice overview of 2013 (and 2014), as well as of the current P1 situation.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 18:15

Btw Hindhaugh & Goodwin had a great sportscar discussion/rant on MWM yesterday, I recommend to check out the podcast if you didn't hear it live. Nice overview of 2013 (and 2014), as well as of the current P1 situation.


could you post a link to the podcast?

#44 SonnyViceR

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 18:18

could you post a link to the podcast?


Sorry, they haven't uploaded it yet. Takes a few days sometimes.

#45 ArnageWRC

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 18:41

Yes, I listened, and the 'non regs' of the GT3 cars......

Really it should be simple; if the road car has it, use it. If it doesn't then you can't. But no......

#46 SonnyViceR

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 19:09

It doesn't really matter what those GT3s have under the hood. You could have shiny, super expensive Lamborghini running with some crappy 2 liter Lada engine and motorcycle tires and it still wouldn't matter because of balance of performance. None of it does.

The anticipated death of LMGTE in few years - now that was the interesting (and disturbing) topic. If only because Hindy has slowly changed his mind from "What's wrong with GT2, nothing!" to acknowledging that nowadays there are actually LOADS of problems with the class. Which is a great shame as the old GT2, along with the now-dead GT1, produced some of the best racing ever. The present day GTE still entertains me, despite all the politics, but something must be done. And merging the two isn't gonna solve it I'm afraid

Edited by SonnyViceR, 17 January 2013 - 19:12.


#47 TF110

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 23:55

Audi testing in Abu Dhabi with the Toyota style rear wing-

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#48 SonnyViceR

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 00:19

Two Audis for Sebring is both great, and at the same time not-so

+ Boosts up the field, makes the last ever Sebring LMP1 showdown more honourable, raises the image of the event and finally closes the looooooooooong book of Audi's ALMS Adventures
- Makes for a very dull 1-2 Audi parade cruise into victory and denies victory from Rebellion and other ALMS runners, unless something drastic happens (which admittely is not beyond the possibilities on this circuit)

#49 TF110

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 08:33

Two Audis for Sebring is both great, and at the same time not-so

+ Boosts up the field, makes the last ever Sebring LMP1 showdown more honourable, raises the image of the event and finally closes the looooooooooong book of Audi's ALMS Adventures
- Makes for a very dull 1-2 Audi parade cruise into victory and denies victory from Rebellion and other ALMS runners, unless something drastic happens (which admittely is not beyond the possibilities on this circuit)


Unless the ALMS follows the FIA's ruleset for the LMP1's this year for Privateers with a bigger fuel tank, bigger restrictor for more power, faster refueling and +15kg to the Audi's and Toyota's! Whether that closes the gap is to be seen, but I have a feeling they'll be a lot closer this year.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 14:13

Unless the ALMS follows the FIA's ruleset for the LMP1's this year for Privateers with a bigger fuel tank, bigger restrictor for more power, faster refueling and +15kg to the Audi's and Toyota's! Whether that closes the gap is to be seen, but I have a feeling they'll be a lot closer this year.


Perhaps but as we've seen in the past when the ACO has made such adjustments from time to time (albeit rarely as big as this), pretty much nothing has changed.

In any case, the P1 air restrictors in the ALMS are bigger than in WEC.