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#51 billm99uk

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 00:14

Anyone see WTCC qualifying today? Sounds hysterical :lol:

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#52 artista

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 08:28

It would have been fun to be near the officials while they were trying to decide which was the corrected grid.

I'm not on the commuter and can't paste the link, but Adam Cooper has twitted a link to Tom Coronel's YouTube where he explains the slipstreaming and shows what happened yesterday. It actually was pretty silly.

#53 Disgrace

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 13:27

Here's what happened. :stoned:

#54 AdamM

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 15:12

The irony of the WTCC is that it is possibly the most boring touring car series in the err...world :)

Even the ETCC makes for better viewing, but BTCC, STCC, STC2000, Superstars, Oz V8s, blah blah are far better than the Yvan Muller Wins Again show.

#55 Yhamm

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 22:45

The irony of the WTCC is that it is possibly the most boring touring car series in the err...world :)

Even the ETCC makes for better viewing, but BTCC, STCC, STC2000, Superstars, Oz V8s, blah blah are far better than the Yvan Muller Wins Again show.

BTCC where Honda win everything? V8 where Whincup wins everything? I don't see any difference

#56 Red17

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 12:59

The irony of the WTCC is that it is possibly the most boring touring car series in the err...world :)

Even the ETCC makes for better viewing, but BTCC, STCC, STC2000, Superstars, Oz V8s, blah blah are far better than the Yvan Muller Wins Again show.

Just shows how big the monster Cruze is, it's no wonder Muller stayed in RML.
The real problem is that car programmes are now out of phase. Old BMWs (and no interest from the brand), old Seats (may return with a new car but needs the green light from VW), young/underdeveloped Hondas and Ladas, Ford coming and going... It's a mess in terms of material that you can run.
I say it's a miracle the series offers some good racing and has tossed more race winners than last year even BMW won a race and that car is beyond old.

The problem is in my opinion is that there is still too much legacy from the early years where brands were in a arms race and asking for constant chances in rules.

#57 PayasYouRace

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 13:01

BTCC where Honda win everything? V8 where Whincup wins everything? I don't see any difference


That's not the BTCC I've been watching the past few years.

#58 Yhamm

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 16:38

That's not the BTCC I've been watching the past few years.

Honda is winning close to 50% of the races for the last 3 years, and even more in 2013
not as close as Chevrolet domination in WTCC but more than Muller

Edited by Yhamm, 20 May 2013 - 16:40.


#59 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 16:45

Hondas is more than one guy winning though.

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#60 Yhamm

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 16:57

Hondas is more than one guy winning though.

I never said it was and Muller didn't win all for Chevrolet either

#61 PayasYouRace

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 17:05

Honda is winning close to 50% of the races for the last 3 years, and even more in 2013
not as close as Chevrolet domination in WTCC but more than Muller


But it's not a foregone conclusion that they'll win a given race.

#62 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 17:09

I never said it was and Muller didn't win all for Chevrolet either


You were responding to the Muller complaint *shrug*

#63 ezequiel

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 21:50

Termas de Río Hondo (Argentina) replaces Curitiba in this year's calendar. Former Renault F1 test driver José María López confirmed to participate in the race. It could be with a Chevrolet or a BMW. At least other two local drivers will participate too, one of them will most likely be Marcos Vázquez, who is a midfielder in the stock car championship Top Race V6 (the fastest series in Argentina) and owns SDE Competición, a team located near the circuit. Rumours indicate the third driver would be someone with international experience (Guerrieri?)

#64 Fulcrum

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 17:15

Termas de Río Hondo (Argentina) replaces Curitiba in this year's calendar. Former Renault F1 test driver José María López confirmed to participate in the race. It could be with a Chevrolet or a BMW. At least other two local drivers will participate too, one of them will most likely be Marcos Vázquez, who is a midfielder in the stock car championship Top Race V6 (the fastest series in Argentina) and owns SDE Competición, a team located near the circuit. Rumours indicate the third driver would be someone with international experience (Guerrieri?)




Top Race V6 is faster than Super TC2000 an Turismo Carretera?

#65 ezequiel

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 18:24

Top Race V6 is faster than Super TC2000 an Turismo Carretera?


The difference is small (normally some tenths of a second) but in general it tends to favour TRV6 over those two.

#66 Doughnut King

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 10:52

Another win for Muller. Engstler hit a recovery truck.

#67 artista

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 10:58

Really... what did Engstler do to a non-racing car in a previous life to deserve "meeting" them so often?

#68 Yhamm

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 22:07

So, Citroen officially joining WTCC in 2014
Yves Matton said few things on Eurosport:

-2 cars and maybe a 3rd one if they think 2 will not be enough to win constructor championship
-the 3rd car might not be on all events if they decide to enter it
-Loeb is ofc the first driver
-Second driver will be someone with lot of experience and is probably one who finished on the final podium last year : Menu, Huff or Muller
-if 3rd car, it might be for Kubica (that was added by one of the commentator who said he had his own information)
-their goal is to win some evens the first year and to be champion in 2015
-we don't know the car yet but it probably won't be the DS3 (might be the C4 Elysee or DS4)

#69 ezequiel

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 23:50

And the third driver for Citröen (if they are going to have one) could be José María López. http://www.corsaonli...-con-citron.php Corsa reports he will test alongside Loeb and Müller on September 9th and 10th at Valencia. He will miss a Turismo Carretera race in order to attend the test. López already clearified he didn't have the 500 thousand euros needed to do a full season in WTCC, but he could end up not needing to bring a single coin.



#70 TimRTC

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 09:01

There was talk of Mr Kubica driving in the #3 car as well - perhaps they will do a combined season as I imagine more than one WTCC round would clash with a rally event.



#71 ezequiel

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 18:12

Or maybe Robert will race exclusively in the WRC. If I'm not mistaken, some time ago he ruled out a chance of doing DTM after a testing session (I think it was for Mercedes). I'm not sure if he would be interested in the WTCC.



#72 ezequiel

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 18:52

Video of López testing the new C-Elysée at Valencia.

 

http://youtu.be/DGEpVHNEyes



#73 OvDrone

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 19:37

I'm fully aware that this series gets a lot of flak but I enjoy it. There a weird yet wonderful jolly camaraderie between the drivers off the track that I find refreshing, the tracks are good and I have high hopes for next year with new cars from Citroen, Lada, Seat maybe BMW, Chevys and Honda will do something too. Loeb is on board for 2014 (HYPE :clap:) and maybe a certain mister Kubica on the horizon as well. A plucky dear little series that I dearly hope will grow and get better in the coming years.

 

And I have to say congrats to Muller for a dream 4th title, this one much sweeter due to the troubles his team had with the DIY budget in the start of the year. Great job :up:

 

Recap of the Suzuka weekend for all y'all touring car dudes and dudettes:

 

 

You gotta love Coronel. A main dude.


Edited by OvDrone, 23 September 2013 - 19:37.


#74 ezequiel

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 22:00

Rumour (in Spanish): http://visionauto.co...elo-de-pechito/

 

It seems Citröen invited José María López to test the C-Elysée once again, in the week beginning on November 4th.



#75 Yhamm

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 05:10

those pilots from the asian championship are teribad.. could have been so dangereous for the steward on the track O_O

unbelievable



#76 mnmracer

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 05:22

At least Maldonado will have somewhere to bring his Venezuelan bolívar next year.



#77 Disgrace

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 05:57

Unreal.

 

 



#78 ArkZ

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:45

First accident is understandable, as always in the start with a lot of cars it happens, but second is brain off drive, yellow flags, tight section. Less than half of the grid finished the race.


Edited by ArkZ, 17 November 2013 - 08:47.


#79 Zava

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 09:32

Unreal.

 

I always loved the Blues Brothers movies.  :wave:



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#80 Vihor

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 13:01

In HD



#81 SonnyViceR

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 13:30

Well that race 2 was just hilarious comedy.



#82 BRG

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 12:36

I don't know why anyone thinks that the Guia circuit is acceptable for motor racing?  A corner where a first lap crash is absolutely guaranteed, and a hairpin so tight that it is permanently under yellow flags and in between half a lap where overtaking is totally impossible even if the guy in front tried to help you.  Not a place for a World Championship event of any sort.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 02:32

I don't know why anyone thinks that the Guia circuit is acceptable for motor racing?  A corner where a first lap crash is absolutely guaranteed, and a hairpin so tight that it is permanently under yellow flags and in between half a lap where overtaking is totally impossible even if the guy in front tried to help you.  Not a place for a World Championship event of any sort.

 

Yes that's why we now have racings those lovely, safe, "modern" ( ZZZzzzz... ) circuits in Bahrain, India, Abu Dhabi etc  :drunk:



#84 Yhamm

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 05:20

I don't know why anyone thinks that the Guia circuit is acceptable for motor racing?  A corner where a first lap crash is absolutely guaranteed, and a hairpin so tight that it is permanently under yellow flags and in between half a lap where overtaking is totally impossible even if the guy in front tried to help you.  Not a place for a World Championship event of any sort.

same reason Monaco is still in F1 calendar



#85 billm99uk

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:53

same reason Monaco is still in F1 calendar

 

Well at least they can overtake at Macao!



#86 ezequiel

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 15:55

Now WTCC seems to be doing something right...

 

 

 

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#87 chunder27

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 20:53

Seriously expect Citroen to utterly dominate this in 2014, they are testing already, will throw countless millions at it, and unless anyone steals a amarch on them, will be the only team taking touring car racing really seriously in 2014, apart from honda maybe.

 

the rest of teh gris is largely made up of old cars, two bit drivers and pay drivers.

 

Which is why no on watches it! lol



#88 Yhamm

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 17:32

maybe it's time to make WTCC 2014?

Citroen as confirmed Lopez as the 3rd driver. really good choice I think, he was really impressive when he drove the bmw for the first time. Citroen also confirmed a 4th car in the Asian races

 

in other news, it was announced that ROAL will switch from BMW to two Chevrolet built by RML (who will only do that now). The pilots are Chilton and Coronel



#89 Repco von Brabham

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 02:13

José María López joins Muller and Loeb at Citroën WTCC
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30-year-old José María López will race in the FIA World Touring Car Championship for the 2014 season, joining four-time champion Yvan Muller and nine-time World Rally champion Sébastien Loeb at Citroën Racing, as the French marque makes its debut in the WTCC.

López has been racing in the national championships of Argentina in recent years since leaving the European racing scene, competing in the Turismo Carretera, the Top Race V6 series and the (Super) TC 2000 Championships.

López won the Argentinian Top Race V6 series in 2009, and also won the country’s top tier for modern touring cars, the Super TC 2000 Championship, claiming the titles in 2008 and 2009 with Honda, and in 2012 with the PSG16 Team while driving a Ford Focus.

López finished fifth in this year’s Super TC 2000 Championship while driving for PSG16, now running Fiats, but had already announced his departure from the series and will instead compete only in the Turismo Carretera stock car series next season when his new WTCC duties permit him.

In 2013, López became the second Argentinian driver to take part in a WTCC race. López filled in for Fredy Barth at Wiechers-Sport for his home race at Termas de Río Hondo, on the Championship’s first visit to the country, driving the German team’s unfancied BMW 320 TC, which had been struggling against the newer and faster Chevrolets and Hondas all season.

López impressed from the off, running in the top ten throughout both of the free practice sessions and setting the fastest time in the warm-up. He finished in fifth position in the first race and won only his second ever career race from pole position, finishing ahead of 2009 champion Gabriele Tarquini’s Honda Civic.

 

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Following low-key tests at Valencia and Monza in the prototype of Citroën’s new C-Elysée World Touring Car, López has been signed to join the French duo of Sébastien Loeb and Yvan Muller, as the WTCC transitions to new technical regulations for 2014, with Citroën looking set to compete for the title in their first season against rival manufacturers Honda and Lada.

 

http://www.touringca...oeb-at-citroen/



#90 BRG

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 12:57

He's a brave boy then, to take a seat with Muller and Loeb already on board!  But maybe he figures that if he beats them, he will be a real star & if he is beaten, then it is by Mr WTCC and Mr WRC, so no shame..... :well:



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 23:38

López impressed from the off, running in the top ten throughout both of the free practice sessions and setting the fastest time in the warm-up. He finished in fifth position in the first race and won only his second ever career race from pole position, finishing ahead of 2009 champion Gabriele Tarquini’s Honda Civic.

 

VIDEO: Introducing Pechito López in Paris, team Citröen:

 

 

 

 

kind regards



#92 DanardiF1

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 23:44

Good luck to him... first tilt at an FIA world title since USF1 had him signed up :p



#93 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 00:54

Citroen should pick up where the works Chevrolets left off...



#94 noikeee

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 01:00

Good luck to him... first tilt at an FIA world title since USF1 had him signed up :p

 

I kinda feel sorry for him and it's nice he's getting this break, even if he wasn't going to set the world alight in F1... he was a decent-ish upper midfielder/front-runner in the early days of GP2, would possibly be the equivalent of a Pic or a van der Garde in talent. But that USF1 deal was a shambles, to be signed up for your F1 debut and then to not make it, ouch. That reminds me of Luis Razia too but somehow I sympathize more with this bloke.



#95 SonnyViceR

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 12:25

But that USF1 deal was a shambles, to be signed up for your F1 debut and then to not make it, ouch.

 

 

Oliver Gavin's story @ certain Adelaide GP was way sadder...

recommend listening this http://audio.rpix.or...liver_gavin.mp3

 

Of course on a flipside it was better that he didn't join F1, GT racing got a superstar instead



#96 Myrvold

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 21:05

Oliver Gavin's story @ certain Adelaide GP was way sadder...

recommend listening this http://audio.rpix.or...liver_gavin.mp3

 

Of course on a flipside it was better that he didn't join F1, GT racing got a superstar instead

 

Well, he did do... well over 200 days of Benetton/Renault testing and work from 1997 to 2006. While he never got to race he got a lot of F1 mileage :)



#97 Repco von Brabham

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 03:39

Meanwhile, in Citröen...,
 
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#98 SonnyViceR

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 16:09

Huff will be driving for Starwork's LMPC programme next year in USCC! Partial season only but very very cool.



#99 Repco von Brabham

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 23:51

Sebastien Löeb  testing coming soon a Peugeot V8 of Super TC2000 in Termas de Río Hondo FIA Racetrack:

 

http://www.largaron....ticulo_id=14442

 

Also in Italiaracing.net:

 

http://www.italiarac...id=42907&cat=18

 

 

 

:clap:



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 00:00

Here is a video from the hotel of the Citroen, nice sound!

 

http://instagram.com/p/ixoJu4O3fl/