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#1 beqa16v

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 18:00

So Di Resta says: It will be quite nice to race Nico without having team orders. I dont understand what he means. I dont think Force India had team orders in favor of Hulkenberg.

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#2 Kingshark

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 18:23

Where did he say that? Just curious.

#3 beqa16v

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 18:25

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/105152

#4 jjcale

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 18:35

The Midweek Motor Sport guy have suggested this for a while now - but they are huge PdR fans ...

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 18:36

I think your reading too much into that, its more a case of Fi telling the two of them to stay well away from each other (completely understandable) not telling Paul he can't challenge Nico.

I can see exactly where this thread is going already...

Edited by olliek88, 17 January 2013 - 18:37.


#6 Arska

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 18:38

I think your reading too much into that, its more a case of Fi telling the two of them to stay well away from each other (completely understandable) not telling Paul he can't challenge Nico.


Exactly how I interpreted it as well.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 18:40

The Midweek Motor Sport guy have suggested this for a while now - but they are huge PdR fans ...


To put it mildly...

#8 bub

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 18:42

Strange choice of words. Is he implying this prevented him beating Hulk more often?
Seems to me he's either hinting at something real or making up excuses.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 18:49

I think your reading too much into that, its more a case of Fi telling the two of them to stay well away from each other (completely understandable) not telling Paul he can't challenge Nico.

This is spot-on.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 18:53

I think your reading too much into that, its more a case of Fi telling the two of them to stay well away from each other (completely understandable) not telling Paul he can't challenge Nico.


Exactly how I interpreted it as well.


Me three.

Edit: Doh! Me four...Kingshark beat me to it. :p

Edited by Winter98, 17 January 2013 - 18:54.


#11 P123

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 18:55

I think your reading too much into that, its more a case of Fi telling the two of them to stay well away from each other (completely understandable) not telling Paul he can't challenge Nico.

I can see exactly where this thread is going already...


Agreed. I don't see him suggesting anything sinister, although in Forum World things tend to be interpreted a certain way (see also the Perez topic regarding Rosberg/Vettel).

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 18:56

I think your reading too much into that, its more a case of Fi telling the two of them to stay well away from each other (completely understandable) not telling Paul he can't challenge Nico.

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No youre wrong ... PdR has not been happy for a little while now with perceived favouritism at Force India

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 18:56

Di Resta is trying to cover his bad driving for last year - over hyped mid field driver...

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 22:46

No youre wrong ... PdR has not been happy for a little while now with perceived favouritism at Force India

I would understamd PdiR:s comment if it was him leaving FI and not NHu.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 23:56

Di Resta to me is all talk .... good driver but not as good as he thinks he is or the British media hype him to be...

team orders have nothing to do with him being outqualified and all that by Hulk





#16 Brother Fox

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:25

I would understamd PdiR:s comment if it was him leaving FI and not NHu.

Are our lives that busy that we have to abbreviate every 2nd or 3rd word?

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:01

Di Resta to me is all talk .... good driver but not as good as he thinks he is or the British media hype him to be...

team orders have nothing to do with him being outqualified and all that by Hulk

The most boring driver in history thinks Team Orders is applicable for 10th Position :rotfl:

Maybe in his head he thinks he's driving a Mclaren in Indian Livery and he was in a fight for WDC with The Top 6. Good imagination. Poor man's Massa I suppose according to PDR himself.

PS- he does mean next year, in different teams... He & Nico can fight without team orders. But above is true as well. He has a bloated self-importance without anything of worth to show for it so far.

Edited by BackOnTop, 18 January 2013 - 05:08.


#18 seahawk

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:57

He talks a lot and he is native speaker of English, so I do not think he used the words "team order" to describe normal team strategy.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:18

Force India are well known for Split Stratagies that can favour one car per race, This is very likely what Paul is refering to, as due to the stratagy he was on, he was never in a position to really race his team mate.
Was the same thing the year before as well in the team.

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#20 Group B

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:07

:lol:
What a cretin, I suppose he was ordered to not overtake the drivers in between them either. He really has fallen for his own hype.

Edited by Group B, 18 January 2013 - 07:09.


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:56

:lol:
What a cretin, I suppose he was ordered to not overtake the drivers in between them either. He really has fallen for his own hype.


Yeah he's a bizarre bloke. Normally you feel a sort of affinity for your countrymen but he's completely unlikable. Something about the undeserved swagger, the huge glasses like he thinks he's a popstar & the monotone voice just go through me. I realise those are unfair criticisms but I just don't think he brings anything to the grid and that's got worse as time goes on.

Shame is he's going to get a rookie next year to race against and will probably survive a couple more seasons off the back of that.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 08:24

I just don't think he brings anything to the grid and that's got worse as time goes on.

Shame is he's going to get a rookie next year to race against and will probably survive a couple more seasons off the back of that.


Without wishing to be that person who brings up pre-F1 form unnecessarily - as I think it is somewhat necessary here - di Resta beat Vettel in an out-and-out fight as team mates in the 2006 Formula 3 Euro Series. To beat a future triple world champion in a straight fight in a competitive series shows that di Resta must bring something to the grid, even if he hasn't been able to replicate that same form in F1 thus far. I say let's give him a few more seasons and see whether he can deliver.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 08:39

Without wishing to be that person who brings up pre-F1 form unnecessarily - as I think it is somewhat necessary here - di Resta beat Vettel in an out-and-out fight as team mates in the 2006 Formula 3 Euro Series. To beat a future triple world champion in a straight fight in a competitive series shows that di Resta must bring something to the grid, even if he hasn't been able to replicate that same form in F1 thus far. I say let's give him a few more seasons and see whether he can deliver.


He won Euro F3, won the DTM, showed very well in his debut season in F1 after 4 years out of single seaters, against a team veteran, and has also shown very well against Hulkenberg who was once upon a time the next big thing. But apparently he wears big sunglasses, doesn't talk as people would like and the press hype him up too much. I'm not sure it's him that's the cretin or the bore...

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 08:43

Without wishing to be that person who brings up pre-F1 form unnecessarily - as I think it is somewhat necessary here - di Resta beat Vettel in an out-and-out fight as team mates in the 2006 Formula 3 Euro Series. To beat a future triple world champion in a straight fight in a competitive series shows that di Resta must bring something to the grid, even if he hasn't been able to replicate that same form in F1 thus far. I say let's give him a few more seasons and see whether he can deliver.

I'd run with that argument more willingly were he not going in the wrong direction, but after a bright star against Sutil he was reeled in and matched/beaten, then after an ok start against NH he was reeled in and bitch slapped. He's not a bad driver, and surely in the top 20, but he's a very long way from justifying the claims he was next in line at Ferrari, Mac, or Merc.

#25 H2H

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 08:44

Hehe. Yes Di Resta, you have been beaten on merit and no words can change that....


Edited by H2H, 18 January 2013 - 08:45.


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 09:39

He won Euro F3, won the DTM, showed very well in his debut season in F1 after 4 years out of single seaters, against a team veteran, and has also shown very well against Hulkenberg who was once upon a time the next big thing. But apparently he wears big sunglasses, doesn't talk as people would like and the press hype him up too much. I'm not sure it's him that's the cretin or the bore...


This is all fine, but Hulkenberg has credentials too so they should be mentioned if we are making a comparison. Nico, by the way, could still be the next big thing.

For Paul, it seems to me that Lewis's move to Mercedes and Paul's not being selected as by McLaren has closed down what had looked like his route to the top. Shades of Nick Heidfeld, perhaps.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 09:43

The most boring driver in history thinks Team Orders is applicable for 10th Position :rotfl:

Maybe in his head he thinks he's driving a Mclaren in Indian Livery and he was in a fight for WDC with The Top 6. Good imagination. Poor man's Massa I suppose according to PDR himself.

PS- he does mean next year, in different teams... He & Nico can fight without team orders. But above is true as well. He has a bloated self-importance without anything of worth to show for it so far.


The most boring driver? That makes sense - I was always surprised how the BBC team used to present him like the next big thing - with a thrill factor of zilch.

In light of Force India's fate his coming out makes a lot of sense - frustration speaks, and di Resta cannot sour his relations with a team, that ain't gonna race in 2013 anyway. The team and personnel have now important things to take care of and di Resta is left without a ride in 2013.

It was no wonder they never announced their 2013 drivers....

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 09:46

Hehe. Yes Di Resta, you have been beaten on merit and no words can change that....


Yup, sour grapes from Di Resta.


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 09:53

As Paul's career unfolds, I am more and more reminded of a post I read a few years back in another forum, when Paul was in DTM but constantly hyped or rumoured to get into F1 eventually due to his Merc connections and record vs Vettel. Some dude claimed he knew Paul and his family from his karting days when they were kids, and thought he was an utter bellend, to the point instead of wishing him well, he hoped Paul's career would go nowhere.

I thought that was super-harsh and uncalled for at the time. I really thought Paul was unlucky with his career and shouldn't have dropped out of the F1 ladder. By now, however, I'm starting to see his point of view. Good driver (good - not great), but judging by the personality portraited through the media, what an arrogant, self-important grim bastard. Is there a more unlikeable chap in the grid at the moment? Alonso maybe? Robin Frijns when he eventually makes it? (I've read enough to figure out his persona is Verstappen v2.0)

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:24

I don't think Di Resta has ever done anything which has made me pay attention to him.

A totally boring driver in everyway possible.

#31 Tony Mandara

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 13:43

If NH is on a different strategy and behind PdR, then PdR won't have to jump out of his way as he's no longer in the same team.


Of course, if you just don't like him then it means something totally different! :well:




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Posted 18 January 2013 - 13:51

If NH is on a different strategy and behind PdR, then PdR won't have to jump out of his way as he's no longer in the same team.


Of course, if you just don't like him then it means something totally different! :well:

Whats there to like, or dislike about him.

He recently said in the same forum that he'd be working to improve his image in F1... Lol. How does one do "fake" personality. It it ain't natural, adding salt & pepper isn't gonna improve anything.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 13:51


If NH is on a different strategy and behind PdR, then PdR won't have to jump out of his way as he's no longer in the same team.


Of course, if you just don't like him then it means something totally different! :well:

That's not down to team favouritism though, that's down to team sanity. For di Resta to mention 'team orders' at all is implying he was in some way held back, which is simply not the case if you pull over on the straight to let your faster team mate past.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 14:12

Can you all please stick with discussing the team orders comment. It's neither appropriate nor necessary for you to comment on whether you think he is a bell end or that his glasses are too big.

Thanks.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 14:33

The most boring driver? That makes sense - I was always surprised how the BBC team used to present him like the next big thing - with a thrill factor of zilch.

In light of Force India's fate his coming out makes a lot of sense - frustration speaks, and di Resta cannot sour his relations with a team, that ain't gonna race in 2013 anyway. The team and personnel have now important things to take care of and di Resta is left without a ride in 2013.

It was no wonder they never announced their 2013 drivers....

That story has been pulled. This, is what has replaced it.

Force India future report in the spotlight

18 January, 2013

Earlier today we ran a GMM supplied story regarding the future of Force India, as reported by Italiaracing which was not fully verified by ourselves.

Due to the seriousness of the matter and implications thereof we have removed the original story. At the same time we have asked the team’s media office to comment on the original report and await the response from them.

Meanwhile we apologise for any distress and inconvenience this may have caused.

Subbed by AJN.


#36 noikeee

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 14:36

Can you all please stick with discussing the team orders comment. It's neither appropriate nor necessary for you to comment on whether you think he is a bell end or that his glasses are too big.

Thanks.


Okay fair enough then I'll stop being personal, but is the "team orders" comment warranted either? Any actual examples of situations he had to move over for Hulk or give up attacking him? Given worse car parts? Given 2nd best strategy against his wishes?

Can't think of any. I just find it really hard to read that in any other way than as sour grapes, a lame excuse for having been beaten the later part of last season. It's not a question of interpretation, he knows what team orders is, and I've read the article, it directly quotes "I won't have to do team orders for him anymore".

I know racing drivers all tend to think they're the best, and then warp their perception of the rest of the world around that fact. If they're beaten then it must've been unfair. This seems a pretty extreme example of that way of thinking though.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 14:44

That's not down to team favouritism though, that's down to team sanity. For di Resta to mention 'team orders' at all is implying he was in some way held back, which is simply not the case if you pull over on the straight to let your faster team mate past.



Meaning that the 'team ordered' him to let his teammate past. Whereas some see it rather as "he couldn't even keep his teammate behind on a different strategy."

To put it simply next year he won't, if put in the same position, have the same obligations.


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 14:52

Meaning that the 'team ordered' him to let his teammate past. Whereas some see it rather as "he couldn't even keep his teammate behind on a different strategy."

To put it simply next year he won't, if put in the same position, have the same obligations.

And nor will Hulkenberg. It cuts both ways, which brings us back to there being little point in raising it unless you're trying to pass it off as something else.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 15:00

I think your reading too much into that, its more a case of Fi telling the two of them to stay well away from each other (completely understandable) not telling Paul he can't challenge Nico.

I can see exactly where this thread is going already...

Its pretty clear thats what he's talking about, but I guess it wont stop the majority of people trying to turn it into something else. :|

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#40 Tony Mandara

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 15:07

And nor will Hulkenberg. It cuts both ways, which brings us back to there being little point in raising it unless you're trying to pass it off as something else.


Exactomundo!

Neither will have any obligation to the other and will be racing against each other for the whole weekend and not just (in principle) qualifying.



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Posted 18 January 2013 - 16:49

Its pretty clear thats what he's talking about, but I guess it wont stop the majority of people trying to turn it into something else. :|


Seemed obvious enough to me too. It also bears mentioning that Force India have generally run their two drivers on different strategies too, there's been occasions where ones let by the other thanks to a message from the pit wall.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 19:21

Seemed obvious enough to me too. It also bears mentioning that Force India have generally run their two drivers on different strategies too, there's been occasions where ones let by the other thanks to a message from the pit wall.


Exactly! FI are very well known for it, have done so the last two seasons very clearly and admittedly by the team and drivers.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 21:48

And nor will Hulkenberg. It cuts both ways, which brings us back to there being little point in raising it unless you're trying to pass it off as something else.

:up:
Well, he took a swipe at Hulk already earlier stating that moving to Sauber wasn't a "step up" in his books. Really hated that comment at that time around Japanese GP as it came across as being disrespectful to a driver making his own career decision. He hasn't made any sense ever since, including the very recent Perez is at Mclaren coz of money.

Now he is trying to imagine a story about Team Orders at FI. Resta is on a downhill slide or stagnant not because of Team Orders, but due to his own average performance. It's ok to not realize that for a young driver, but keeping his mouth shut is totally under his control I guess. He'll be better off if he applies it this season & focus.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 08:09

I guess it all just shows that drivers cannot win talking to the press. Give a truthful answer to a question and web numpties read everything they want into it - give a non-commital answer and you are accused of being boring and bland.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:18

He is talking a lot nowadays.

Maybe he is being advised to talk to not fall on ostracism.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:05

I think your reading too much into that, its more a case of Fi telling the two of them to stay well away from each other (completely understandable) not telling Paul he can't challenge Nico.

+1


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 13:45

I really hate these threads that pop up generated by a single line of interview or quote.

What question was Paul answering? What was the context? We have none of that in the OP.

All we then get is a thread full of 'driver x should keep his mouth shut' or 'drivers should speak their mind more' or arguments using the quote to suit their own needs. Reference the excellent recent Pat Fry interview thread for how to properly debate comments from a person involved in F1.

OT - If Paul is looking forward to racing Nico away from the umbrella of how FI run their races, then thats nice. Hardly earth shattering.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 21:17

I really hate these threads that pop up generated by a single line of interview or quote.

What question was Paul answering? What was the context? We have none of that in the OP.

All we then get is a thread full of 'driver x should keep his mouth shut' or 'drivers should speak their mind more' or arguments using the quote to suit their own needs. Reference the excellent recent Pat Fry interview thread for how to properly debate comments from a person involved in F1.

OT - If Paul is looking forward to racing Nico away from the umbrella of how FI run their races, then thats nice. Hardly earth shattering.

It's from this AUTOSPORT report

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/105152



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Posted 24 January 2013 - 21:25

It sounds like he meant team strategy, yet I won't be surprised if he chose the words 'team orders' to put Hulkenberg in a bad light. I think Di Resta is a driver who definitely requires management as he can't seem to cope well with the media.

As for racing against Hulkenberg without team orders (if there had been any), he definitely needs to surprise everyone this year. Otherwise he will fade into midfield mediocrity. Hulkenberg already has a pole and race lead to his name, while Di Resta cannot keep dragging out the old "beat Vettel in lower formula" argument.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 21:50

It sounds like he meant team strategy, yet I won't be surprised if he chose the words 'team orders' to put Hulkenberg in a bad light. I think Di Resta is a driver who definitely requires management as he can't seem to cope well with the media.

As for racing against Hulkenberg without team orders (if there had been any), he definitely needs to surprise everyone this year. Otherwise he will fade into midfield mediocrity. Hulkenberg already has a pole and race lead to his name, while Di Resta cannot keep dragging out the old "beat Vettel in lower formula" argument.

Exactly; the way he chose to phrase it (if correctly related in the OP) clearly implied something more sinister and relevant to results than just team mates letting each other by when on very different stages of strategies. Given the convenience of spreading a 'misunderstood' explanation for his hiding by Hulkenberg I struggle to believe his poor wording was accidental.