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#851 study

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 15:25

Doesn't anyone find it interesting how Ron is letting all this top personnel just walk from McLaren?


it annoys me that mclarens tag lines are success and all this when they've not had any for years

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#852 Hairy

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 15:28

Bernie- I just looked at that link about the telephone numbers on an exotic salary, and noticed, just to the right, was an advert fior Mature dating....

Exotic indeed....

#853 study

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 15:35

Bernie- I just looked at that link about the telephone numbers on an exotic salary, and noticed, just to the right, was an advert fior Mature dating....

Exotic indeed....


erm, ahem, nowadays adverts are served by data mining your previous website visits :cat:

#854 Hairy

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 15:48

erm, ahem, nowadays adverts are served by data mining your previous website visits :cat:


Even more concerning, it's my PA's laptop...

#855 BoschKurve

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 15:49

it annoys me that mclarens tag lines are success and all this when they've not had any for years


How do you define success?

Is it only winning titles?

#856 BernieEc

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 15:52

Even more concerning, it's my PA's laptop...


You spend your time on motorsports forums and your PA on dating sites. A match made in heaven. :)

#857 Hairy

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 15:57

You spend your time on motorsports forums and your PA on dating sites. A match made in heaven. :)


I shall have a look see on what other nefarious sites she's been on then...

#858 F1ultimate

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 16:02

Doesn't anyone find it interesting how Ron is letting all this top personnel just walk from McLaren?


Ron's ego would rather drown in the MTC lake then bend over for an employee.

#859 femi

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 16:39

erm, ahem, nowadays adverts are served by data mining your previous website visits :cat:


LOL, just disable cookies and clean your "history". Lots of work doing it everytime but if you want to keep your privacy, you have no choice.

Edited by femi, 27 February 2013 - 16:40.


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#860 femi

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 16:42

Even more concerning, it's my PA's laptop...



I don't think it was your PA, unless you both use the same user account to logon to the machine - lol

#861 BernieEc

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 16:47

LOL, just disable cookies and clean your "history". Lots of work doing it everytime but if you want to keep your privacy, you have no choice.

Hmmmmm, is that from experience? Disabling cookies so when wifey is seaching for college.com it doesn't mistakenly present her with collegegirls.com :)

#862 femi

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 16:52

Hmmmmm, is that from experience? Disabling cookies so when wifey is seaching for college.com it doesn't mistakenly present her with collegegirls.com :)



LOL, one of the reasons I logon to my machines using biometric (fingerprint) authentication - even though I am not married... but it is good practise for if or when I do... lol

#863 trogggy

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 18:02

LOL, just disable cookies and clean your "history". Lots of work doing it everytime but if you want to keep your privacy, you have no choice.

Completely off-topic: google ccleaner. Set it up to keep cookies you want, click to clear the rest. It's a brilliant piece of freeware.

#864 Ellios

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 20:14

Completely off-topic: google ccleaner. Set it up to keep cookies you want, click to clear the rest. It's a brilliant piece of freeware.


these comments will get cleaned!

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#865 BernieEc

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 20:17

I think we going seriously off-topic now, even though am part guilty of contributing to "how to surf porn sites without the Ms knowing"

#866 Kerch

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 21:16

Paddy gave an interesting lecture at Imperial College today. Talked about his career (but not his future unsurprisingly), the technology at McLaren, and some recent innovations. Had some interesting diagrams of the F-Duct and a CFD image of the coanda exhaust.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 21:28

Whitmarsh for me isn't correct for the team principle role, he's more a PR, HR man and lets personal feelings effect his judgement.

If Briatore being in charge they'd have being 2 championships there now, horrible nasty man but he gets the job done by being ruthless.

You took the words out of my mouth.

Whitmarsh would make a great ambassador for F1. He always like talking about this and that...whereas you see Horner 100% focussed on his job and is delivering championships at such a young age of 36.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 00:13

I don't forget how whitmarsh said they had no plan B and later, Perez being announced for Mclaren first than Lewis with Mercedes on the same day. :p

Maybe that was their plan A. Or maybe it had more components than you are considering.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 00:18

Ron's ego would rather drown in the MTC lake then bend over for an employee.

Imagine if he saw his reflection.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 00:26

Simple point is that Lowe wanted to go and couldn't make up his mind whether he wanted to stay - McLaren gave up and let him go.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 00:29

You took the words out of my mouth.

Whitmarsh would make a great ambassador for F1. He always like talking about this and that...whereas you see Horner 100% focussed on his job and is delivering championships at such a young age of 36.



Horner is only 36 ? :eek:

I feel like a loser now.... He has been TP since about 30 ?

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:29

Horner is only 36 ? :eek:

I feel like a loser now.... He has been TP since about 30 ?

Vettel is about 25/26 now. If that makes you feel any better :p

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 06:52

so this is where they all come...

luckily in real life, unlike the movies, the bad guys win as well  ;)

infact, some of them win a lot! :p

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:22

Simple point is that Lowe wanted to go and couldn't make up his mind whether he wanted to stay - McLaren gave up and let him go.


Eh?

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:35

Simple point is that Lowe wanted to go and couldn't make up his mind whether he wanted to stay - McLaren gave up and let him go.

What? Lol.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:39

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:55

Garden can wait. :D

Marc Priestley ‏@f1elvis
Also understand that Paddy Lowe's been moved onto the McLaren GT3 project for 2013, so the garden may have to wait.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 13:44

Is this the first time Hamilton has spoken about Paddy Lowe, since the announcement of his exit at Mclaren at the end of the 2013?
He is asked about the prospect of him joining Mercedes, and he says he has a great relationship with him, and that he hope he joins the team.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rammes/p015rg3p

Edited by Xeriks, 01 March 2013 - 13:45.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 13:56

Interview by Sky Sports:

Q: With Paddy Lowe leaving McLaren for Mercedes, is it difficult him being there, knowing he is going?


SM: "I think first of all, Paddy has been with the team for almost 20 years and is a fantastic guy and a great asset to McLaren, but he has taken his choice to move to Mercedes and we wish him all the best.


Looks like he is going to Mercedes then.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 13:58

Sam Michael spills the beans.
Inappropriate if you ask me.
It's not for him to announce Paddy is actually going to Mercedes.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 14:33

Sam Michael spills the beans.
Inappropriate if you ask me.
It's not for him to announce Paddy is actually going to Mercedes.


Wot?

Interview by Sky Sports:
Q: With Paddy Lowe leaving McLaren for Mercedes, is it difficult him being there, knowing he is going?


Apparently "Q" said it first. But then it was already leaked to and announced in the Guardian 4 days ago.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 02:22

ERmm...

http://planetf1.com/...al-not-yet-done

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 11:21

ERmm...

http://planetf1.com/...al-not-yet-done



"It's not just that you hire someone and off you go, there are discussions ongoing."


I wonder what those discussions are about? Can certainly not be about salary since it's already been ousted that it's exotic. Could the discussions be about his role and control and how it would conflict with the other chefs? Probably. Let the musical chairs begin.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 11:40

I wonder what those discussions are about? Can certainly not be about salary since it's already been ousted that it's exotic. Could the discussions be about his role and control and how it would conflict with the other chefs? Probably. Let the musical chairs begin.


PL will be @ Merc come next year but not in the position he thought or promised b Nikki. I take Toto's statement as negotiation tactic. I don't think it is about money but how he fits in. Merc are under less pressure to get him at all cost as they have finally produced a good car which has strengthened Ross position - The MP4-28 is not looking great either. I also suspect a weakning in Nikki's influence in F1 operations and stronger imposition Toto's authority.

Basically, Ross is liked by drivers and staff and there is no reason for Toto to rock the boat. All could change if W04 falls behind as the year progresses though.

All speculations of course...

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 18:09

Very well played by Mercedes. They have probably promised Paddy Lowe that he will get Ross Brawn's position, but as they don't get Lowe until next year they are refusing to confirm. They are playing Brawn along, with the option of keeping the position long term, so he stays committed during 2013. And if, based on this year's performance, they do decide to keep Brawn on for 2014 onwards, then they'll just have to renegotiate with Lowe what position he'll take, or let him go elsewhere. No matter what, McLaren loose out as Lowe will have stopped being involved in anything useful (sensitive) once they were aware he was leaving. Mercedes are the big winners; they are in control of the situation, have hurt McLaren with a double whammy (signing McLaren's star driver and tech boss) and now have two top technical bosses in their pocket. Lowe is committed to see how it turns out; if it doesn't work quite as promised by Mercedes he'd probably have to consider what alternative they offer. He will have been out of action at a critical time in F1 development and all other teams will have filled their top technical positions. So Lowe and Brawn are probably pawns in the whole deal, albeit very skilled, well paid pawns who will either get the top technical job at Mercedes, or a very nice payoff.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:36

I thought this discussion might be better here than in the W04 thread, although obviously who runs the team affects that and indeed everything else in it.

Toto Wolff was recently interviewed by the F1.com website and had this to say about Ross Brawn:

Ross has all the virtues that a great engineer must have: the preciseness, the focused and structured working mode, the calmness and the leadership he exhibits with his technicians.


He was then asked, given that it appears Lowe will be joining the team if he anticipated that causing leadership friction.

Why? One doesn’t obviate the other. Ross is team principal and I don’t want to change that.We need to get stability in the team as we have a mountain of work to do. From where this team is coming it is important to have as many good people as possible - that is my focus in all these discussions.


Interesting. As a reminder of context, the usually reliable (about Mercedes rumours anyway!) Eddie Jordan had this to say back in January:

"Paddy Lowe is going to Mercedes and it would appear that Brawn and Fry are on their way out. Lowe won't be technical director - he'll be more senior than that - but he won't be called team principal either, because that will be Wolff. But Lowe will effectively be running the team on a day-to-day basis."

So where are we now, I wonder? All still going to plan and Wolff still planning to axe Brawn once gardening leave is up? Or has the team, and their new star driver rallied round Ross? And if so, where does that leave Lowe?



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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:46

(Copied from W04 thread)

The coup was a very successful one (Lowe is out in the cold at McLaren), the question now appears to be whether Mercedes still want the object of the coup. If they don't make space for Lowe it will be pretty appalling behaviour. A bit like sending the Greek army to take back Helen of Troy, defeating the Trojans and then just punching Helen in the face rather than taking her back to Greece.


I suppose it all means what you mean by 'make space for', doesn't it? His stock is pretty high in the industry so I doubt Mercedes are going to ever turn round and blush and tell him actually they have no jobs for him. The question is when he jumped from McLaren, is the square he actually lands on going to be the one he was promised?

It's just an impression (obviously) but I'm wondering if the team, and especially Lewis, haven't made this harder to implement by rallying much more strongly than expected around Brawn.

Edited by SophieB, 26 April 2013 - 08:19.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:53

I don't see why they couldn't have all three. Wolfe as principal, Lowe as the operations/logistics guy and Brawn as the engineering guy. It's a lot more funded than it was during the Brawn GP time. The other things are out of Brawn's wheelhouse. If he sticks with engineering and race strategy he'll be able to contribute in a more effective manner. If they leave him with the other tasks as well, he likely won't make it.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 05:01

I don't see why they couldn't have all three. Wolfe as principal, Lowe as the operations/logistics guy and Brawn as the engineering guy. It's a lot more funded than it was during the Brawn GP time. The other things are out of Brawn's wheelhouse. If he sticks with engineering and race strategy he'll be able to contribute in a more effective manner. If they leave him with the other tasks as well, he likely won't make it.

That is hilarious. Lowe, a chief designer, in charge of logistics? Really?

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 05:16

That's nothing, I heard they're reanimating Senna to sweep the floors back at the factory

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 05:21

I don't see why they couldn't have all three. Wolfe as principal, Lowe as the operations/logistics guy and Brawn as the engineering guy. It's a lot more funded than it was during the Brawn GP time. The other things are out of Brawn's wheelhouse. If he sticks with engineering and race strategy he'll be able to contribute in a more effective manner. If they leave him with the other tasks as well, he likely won't make it.


I cannot think of many (any?) cases of a team boss being forcibly demoted and then serving on in the lesser role. And I cannot easily imagine any new boss being happy to allow their deposed predecessor to remain at a senior level. At best, it stops the team moving forward and at worst, they can fret about the deposed boss stirring up trouble out of spite.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 06:22

From outside even for a most casual observer Brackley outfit generates perception, that it is the most top-heavy entity in F1. I don't think that's disputed. On the other hand, that might not be entirely a correct perception. Perhaps it sounds only "bad", because big names of F1 are involved, yet in reality it might not be much different than elsewhere. I think people at the top know the score.
Perhaps Lowe might be in charge of new developments, which need to separate from day-to-day operations, and Brawn doesn't has time for it. (Or in terms of roles, vice versa). There is enough elements in the vehicle in both divisions (next generation/current) in design and operations, which in totality is more than one man can successfully handle. Somebody needs to lead design departments, and for that other names are on the payroll. Lauda provides liaison with Stuttgart and gets involved on major business decisions, whilst Wolf has to tie all on the ground together. Makes sense? Initially I have rejected in my mind whole org. structure, but now on a second thought - maybe it's not as bad as it looks like.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:22

I cannot think of many (any?) cases of a team boss being forcibly demoted and then serving on in the lesser role. And I cannot easily imagine any new boss being happy to allow their deposed predecessor to remain at a senior level. At best, it stops the team moving forward and at worst, they can fret about the deposed boss stirring up trouble out of spite.


Yeah you can't demote people, you can only create new job titles above them.

Mercedes have already had to put some effort into that, with 'Technology Director' and 'Engineering Director' on top of 'Technical Director'.

I could see them getting rid of Ron Meadows the 'Sporting Director' if he's the one behind the string of poor racing decisions, but Paddy wouldn't fit in there would he? Though I suppose Sam Michael made that same move.

I really think Toto will reverse out of the Paddy decision, if he can. Paddy was a bit naive to fall for Niki's offer, I can't help thinking. It reminds me of Newey first time around with Jaguar.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:51

Yeah you can't demote people, you can only create new job titles above them.

Mercedes have already had to put some effort into that, with 'Technology Director' and 'Engineering Director' on top of 'Technical Director'.

I could see them getting rid of Ron Meadows the 'Sporting Director' if he's the one behind the string of poor racing decisions, but Paddy wouldn't fit in there would he? Though I suppose Sam Michael made that same move.

I really think Toto will reverse out of the Paddy decision, if he can. Paddy was a bit naive to fall for Niki's offer, I can't help thinking. It reminds me of Newey first time around with Jaguar.


I don't see Merc backing out of PL's offer, not good for image and reputation. But I do think there are a few "directors" nervously wondering if they will keep their jobs though.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:52

Be nice if he stayed put. :lol:

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 08:18

That's nothing, I heard they're reanimating Senna to sweep the floors back at the factory


What exactly does this contribute to the discussion?

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 09:28

I don't see Merc backing out of PL's offer, not good for image and reputation. But I do think there are a few "directors" nervously wondering if they will keep their jobs though.


I'm sure they won't if there's an unconditional contract. If there isn't tho, it depends on how F1 they are I reckon. If it's Corporate Mercedes running the team it'll be a bad sign.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 09:34

I don't see Merc backing out of PL's offer, not good for image and reputation. But I do think there are a few "directors" nervously wondering if they will keep their jobs though.


What is his offer though? That's the important bit of missing information.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 09:41

Well, none of us know, do we? That's why I'm reduced to posting EJ's thoughts on what the job offer might be. He might have a direct line from Merc or he might be divining all this in the tea leaves, we don't know. Still, PL has handed his notice in, that much is not in dispute so it is presumably to go to a more senior job than the one he had at Macca or why leave?

(Unless things really are so bleak at McLaren that the staff really are prepared to go somewhere else, anywhere else just to get the hell out, I suppose but I don't seriously see that as the answer here.)

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 09:49

(Unless things really are so bleak at McLaren that the staff really are prepared to go somewhere else, anywhere else just to get the hell out, I suppose but I don't seriously see that as the answer here.)


The last high profile member of staff to leave did so for less money tho, nothing is straightforward anymore about the happenings and rumours