Christian Horner 'in secret meetings with Ferrari'
#1
Posted 23 January 2013 - 09:45
According to the article, Horner met with Ferrari's personnel chief Mario Mairano in December. It also says that Italian media reported it - if someone could find a direct link to the originator of this, that would be great. Silly Season just gets even sillier though.
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#2
Posted 23 January 2013 - 09:52
http://www.motorspor...o_13012301.html
According to the article, Horner met with Ferrari's personnel chief Mario Mairano in December. It also says that Italian media reported it - if someone could find a direct link to the originator of this, that would be great. Silly Season just gets even sillier though.
Apparently Ferrari try to get Horner either to get Newey or they do the whole maneuvre only to destabilize Red Bull. Also the article points out that Stefano Domenicalli's position at Ferrari is not 100% sure.
#3
Posted 23 January 2013 - 09:58
#4
Posted 23 January 2013 - 09:59
#5
Posted 23 January 2013 - 10:13
If you can't beat them, then buy them. However I cannot imagine what it would cost to buy out Newey and Horner. Red Bull GmbH generates close to a billion in revenue every year and has a marketing budget that they can just splurge on anything. The team will throw anything on Newey and Horner to make them stay.
#6
Posted 23 January 2013 - 10:26
Maybe they'll get the whole package: Vettel, Newey, Horner
You left out Dr Marko ;)
#7
Posted 23 January 2013 - 10:29
#8
Posted 23 January 2013 - 10:32
I think it's far more likely Webber goes with Horner to Ferrari than Vettel doing so. I thought it had been made clear (and emphatically) recently that Vettel wasnt going anywhere.
I would imagine Vettel has exit clauses in his contract in the event that Newey and/or Horner leave.
#9
Posted 23 January 2013 - 10:34
I would imagine Vettel has exit clauses in his contract in the event that Newey and/or Horner leave.
Doesnt SV allegedly manage himself? if so, who knows what his contract is like.
Edited by jjcale, 23 January 2013 - 11:21.
#10
Posted 23 January 2013 - 10:44
I think it's far more likely Webber goes with Horner to Ferrari than Vettel doing so. I thought it had been made clear (and emphatically) recently that Vettel wasnt going anywhere.
What do they want with Webber?
#11
Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:07
#12
Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:20
Doesnt SV allegedly manage himself? if so, who know what his contract is like.
Surely Dr.Marko guides every step of young Seb...
#13
Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:21
It sounded like an insane move when I saw the thread title, but it does make sense. Domenicali's stint as team principal has awarded them 0 driver titles in 5 seasons - with the rather hot-blooded mentality over there I'm surprised he's been kept so long. Horner has a much better record having been hugely successful building up a lesser team, and hiring him would be the best move to weaken Red Bull providing they can't get Newey or Vettel.
However if Horner was indeed recently given a contract renewal it points out to Red Bull having convinced him to stay - to great financial expense no doubt.
#14
Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:26
#15
Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:33
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:56
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:57
#18
Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:00
#19
Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:02
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#20
Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:10
I know what you mean but I think there is far more to the role in the background than we ever get to see.
I don't think he 'does nothing' but certainly less than most?
#21
Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:11
#22
Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:15
Surely Dr.Marko guides every step of young Seb...
Vettel manages himself. And he's not stupid - unlike Marko, one might say :x
#23
Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:16
I don't think he 'does nothing' but certainly less than most?
Wouldn't like to say as I don't know the anywhere near enough about the role. I suspect there are others doing the same sub roles at other teams as RB, but just at RB they are a bit more high profile.
#24
Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:24
#25
Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:45
Slightly tweaked that for youThey could have the whole package: Alonso, Newey, Horner
He does TV interviews of a most impressively disingenuous nature. I find him both irritating and admirable in equal measure.What does Horner actually do? Newey has a level of control of the tech dept you don't get at other teams, Marko is arguably running the driver side...
Edited by 3011969, 23 January 2013 - 12:49.
#26
Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:49
Maybe they'll get the whole package: Vettel, Newey, Horner
And if they can persuade Red Bull to replace Santander too ......
Henri
#27
Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:53
That's what they did to Benetton I suppose. Back in the day.Maybe they'll get the whole package: Vettel, Newey, Horner
#28
Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:55
Well, the meeting was not so secret when we are discussing it in here. Maybe Horner was offered a position with Ferrari...http://www.motorspor...o_13012301.html
According to the article, Horner met with Ferrari's personnel chief Mario Mairano in December. It also says that Italian media reported it - if someone could find a direct link to the originator of this, that would be great. Silly Season just gets even sillier though.
#29
Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:57
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 13:02
#31
Posted 23 January 2013 - 13:02
Administration and Operations are multifaceted areas with multiplicity of activities, which somebody needs to put it together, and my educated guess is, that neither Newey, Marko, nor Vettel wants to have anything to do with it, never mind having time or aptitude for it. Managing resources is tedious and not always satisfying job. In conclusion, Horner is busy, very busy, he just performs different things in background, essential, but not always glamorous.What does Horner actually do? Newey has a level of control of the tech dept you don't get at other teams, Marko is arguably running the driver side...
Edited by Sakae, 23 January 2013 - 13:04.
#32
Posted 23 January 2013 - 13:03
#33
Posted 23 January 2013 - 13:08
#34
Posted 23 January 2013 - 13:21
#35
Posted 23 January 2013 - 14:04
Maybe they'll get the whole package: Vettel, Newey, Horner
I don't know what Newey's contract situation is, but Vettel will still be bound to Red Bull. It is extremely doubtful if Red Bull would accept a buy-out of Vettel's contract.
#36
Posted 23 January 2013 - 14:09
Why would he meet the personnel chief? To take an HR exam?
No, drug test...
Can't trust those Team Principals, you know. The lot of 'em are on a heady cocktail of Ginko Biloba and Ex-Lax. Sort of working on both ends of the spectrum, so to speak...
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 14:10
#38
Posted 23 January 2013 - 14:27
#39
Posted 23 January 2013 - 14:33
What does Horner actually do? Newey has a level of control of the tech dept you don't get at other teams, Marko is arguably running the driver side...
probably seen as a key to getting access to Red Bull resources. Kinda like Bobby Rahal back in the Jaguar days which was funnily enough about getting Adrian Newey then too.
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#40
Posted 23 January 2013 - 14:40
What does Horner actually do? Newey has a level of control of the tech dept you don't get at other teams, Marko is arguably running the driver side...
Excellent choice of words!
#41
Posted 23 January 2013 - 14:45
Sorted.
#42
Posted 23 January 2013 - 14:46
Except that they let Benetton keep Flav.That's what they did to Benetton I suppose. Back in the day.
#43
Posted 23 January 2013 - 14:52
What does Horner actually do? Newey has a level of control of the tech dept you don't get at other teams, Marko is arguably running the driver side...
Thats the last thing he's doing.
He's wanted Webber out for 3 years and he's still there. Pretty solid evidence that he most certainly is not in control of the drivers side!
The reality is he has such vested interest in Sebastian Vettel, he carry's on as if its a 1 man team. I get the impression that whilst Horner, Newey and Marko all recognise the value and status of Vettel (clearly the number 1 in expectation, if not contract), only Horner and Newey ALSO recognise the value of a decent teammate who can keep Vettel on his toes, take points of the opposition, deliver the constructors etc. I get the impression that Horner and Newey don't find Marko "helpful"... a lot of the time.
#44
Posted 23 January 2013 - 14:55
Red Bull GmbH generates close to a billion in revenue every year and has a marketing budget that they can just splurge on anything.
Not to nitpick (read as, me being an a$$hat) ... but that number seemed kinda low to me...
Red Bull GmbH Revenue €4.253 Billion (2011) ($5.67B USD)
http://www.redbull.c...d=1242937556133
#45
Posted 23 January 2013 - 14:57
I agree with you there. Imo, Horner has the hardest job at Red Bull as he has to keep all these egos under check, making sure the pit-stop crew don't succumb to pressure and answer to a demanding billionaire owner expecting results. His interviews may be annoying, but clearly he's helped create Red Bull Racing into a well-oiled championship team.Thats the last thing he's doing.
He's wanted Webber out for 3 years and he's still there. Pretty solid evidence that he most certainly is not in control of the drivers side!
The reality is he has such vested interest in Sebastian Vettel, he carry's on as if its a 1 man team. I get the impression that whilst Horner, Newey and Marko all recognise the value and status of Vettel (clearly the number 1 in expectation, if not contract), only Horner and Newey ALSO recognise the value of a decent teammate who can keep Vettel on his toes, take points of the opposition, deliver the constructors etc. I get the impression that Horner and Newey don't find Marko "helpful"... a lot of the time.
#46
Posted 23 January 2013 - 15:15
What do they want with Webber?
If you need to be told that, with respect you're possibly a bit thick.
What did they want with Webber this year?
#47
Posted 23 January 2013 - 15:17
If Horner is talking to Ferrari it must be about F1 political issues as Ferrari and RedBull have completely opposite views on the direction the sport should take. Maybe they're trying to come to an agreement.
Really ? that's not how I see it, I'd say they were in agreement, neither want resource restrictions which would stop them out spending others to success as they currently do, and both would like to run extra cars, either a 3rd car or a 2nd team (STR).
#48
Posted 23 January 2013 - 15:26
Red Bull has to keep its options open for 2014, with the new units its very likely that the two best engines will come out of Mercedes and Ferrari.
#49
Posted 23 January 2013 - 15:26
What does Horner actually do? Newey has a level of control of the tech dept you don't get at other teams, Marko is arguably running the driver side...
When it comes to Marko, it sounds like you are confusing respect for power.
#50
Posted 23 January 2013 - 15:27