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#2051 Diderlo

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:00

Also on mediums! But a few minutes earlier (dunno whether this has much to say).

Did RoGro use mediums! I am a litte bit confused (also coz we have no live timing).

Anyway as the rain is threatening the whole weekend I would just take a chill pill. Kimi´s times are looking good but we dunno anything about the fuel load.
Hope that the rain wont **** up our chances like it did last year


Yes, Romain used mediums. Kimi was faster on hards than Romain on mediums.

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#2052 Vesuvius

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:00

Also on mediums! But a few minutes earlier (dunno whether this has much to say).

Did RoGro use mediums! I am a litte bit confused (also coz we have no live timing).

Anyway as the rain is threatening the whole weekend I would just take a chill pill. Kimi´s times are looking good but we dunno anything about the fuel load.
Hope that the rain wont **** up our chances like it did last year


Grosjean was with mediums as well.

#2053 Vesuvius

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:04

According to Turun Sanomat, Kimi is in his best physical shape ever, even at the press confrence they talked that Kimi looks to be in top shape physically. After melbourne race Kimi went to the gym at kuala lumpur and he should have played badminton with Vettel but that was cancelled because Seb had other priorities ..

#2054 pryanjack

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:04

The undercut has been there? Atleast it is in the Romain's car. Also I think that is the old exhaust, because the new is SHINY(?)


The photo was dated yesterday and it is the first time I have seen a non-chrome outlet (with the exception of the very first coanda running weekend in 2012) which is why I thought it was new? (as well as the sweep towards the base looks longer and again a different material?

#2055 artista

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:06

According to Turun Sanomat, Kimi is in his best physical shape ever, even at the press confrence they talked that Kimi looks to be in top shape physically. After melbourne race Kimi went to the gym at kuala lumpur and he should have played badminton with Vettel but that was cancelled because Seb had other priorities ..

Lobato keeps repeating Räikkönen is fat :lol:

#2056 Diderlo

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:07

The photo was dated yesterday and it is the first time I have seen a non-chrome outlet (with the exception of the very first coanda running weekend in 2012) which is why I thought it was new? (as well as the sweep towards the base looks longer and again a different material?


Then it might just be the new one with different materials :)

#2057 hello86

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:08

If he has a bad race everybody will call him unfit and fat again :cat: Then again I think in 2009 he looked the most fittest but it might be coz he had to lose some weight and was thinner overall (which doesnt have to mean that he was fitter)

#2058 F.M.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:10

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#2059 pryanjack

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:17

Then it might just be the new one with different materials :)


nope, FM's image shows I'm wrong - it's not new ...

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#2060 PMM3

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:18

Keep your bullshit for yourself

Save your bag of quotes for something else and watch Spa last year to understand what I was talking about!

#2061 DrF

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:26

Lotus F1 Team ‏@Lotus_F1Team 7m
Tech update: both cars on new front wing, #Kimi's on the newer, shinier exhaust outlet #SepangSundae

looking forward to seeing pictures. only picture I could find about the supposed new bodywork is this one:
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not sure, could be the angle is fooling with my eyes, but the bridge seems steeper.
only similar angle I could find of the old one:
http://www.gpupdate....218446/#/218446


Kimi p1 :)

That is one sweet looking car! Kimi's helmet matches it perfectly. That looks like a championship car to me.

#2062 F.M.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:30

That is one sweet looking car! Kimi's helmet matches it perfectly. That looks like a championship car to me.

Only the red at the front of his helmet seems a bit off to me..

Grosjean having an off
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#2063 denthierry

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:38

I know i know, waaaaaay too early to tell, but if Lotus takes another win this weekend, it'll take one or two more races for some top pilots and teams (not mentioning anyone, but we all know who's whining when things don't come their way) to insinuate stuff about the car... (i already read ride height adjustment trick rumours here and there)

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:41

I know i know, waaaaaay too early to tell, but if Lotus takes another win this weekend, it'll take one or two more races for some top pilots and teams (not mentioning anyone, but we all know who's whining when things don't come their way) to insinuate stuff about the car... (i already read ride height adjustment trick rumours here and there)

At the moment, what the press is beginning to take is that the other teams think Lotus has tyre advantage because Pirelli uses an old Lotus for testing:
http://www.auto-moto...il-6801025.html

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:45

At the moment, what the press is beginning to take is that the other teams think Lotus has tyre advantage because Pirelli uses an old Lotus for testing:
http://www.auto-moto...il-6801025.html


Didn't see that one, thanks. Well yes, they'll find anything, no matter what.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:46

Martin Brundle after PF2 - Kimi is his best form ever, and fastest lap was done on partly wet track . :eek:

Edited by Hayden1, 22 March 2013 - 08:53.


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:48

Lobato keeps repeating Räikkönen is fat :lol:


That Lobato is really sad dude

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:49

Räikkönen exceptional today. He's looking almost unbeatable.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:53

I'm a bit baffled by Lotus's (especially Kimi's) long run times at the end of FP1. Doesn't look like their normal program as they were miles faster than Merc and RBR guys. Either its an unusual fuel load or they are a bit too fast.

#2070 Alburaq

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:53

option tyres
We are still losing big time in S2


The E21 were second fastest in S2 and S3 just behind the RBR in FP1.



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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:56

Anyway as the rain is threatening the whole weekend I would just take a chill pill. Kimi´s times are looking good but we dunno anything about the fuel load.
Hope that the rain wont **** up our chances like it did last year


Rain is the one big problem, Lotus still doesn't look that good in the rain. Ferrari looked super fast in the wet. Things are looking good if the conditions can stay dry. But I dont want to get head of myself.

#2072 Diderlo

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:56

I'm a bit baffled by Lotus's (especially Kimi's) long run times at the end of FP1. Doesn't look like their normal program as they were miles faster than Merc and RBR guys. Either its an unusual fuel load or they are a bit too fast.


Their tyres are just in much better shape, I think. Atleast it isn't totally about the fuel. And in FP1 (when timing worked), Lotus was so consistent on long runs and their times didn't drop very fast.

#2073 Alburaq

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:57

Couldn't find pics showing the new exhausts
They ran a new diffuser too

http://i.imgur.com/7GqzRKI.jpg

#2074 intelligentsia

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:57

Lotus would need to concentrate on long runs in FP3.

#2075 Vesuvius

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:00

Gerard Lopez to MTV3 (from Oskari Saari twitter account) news to be told soon about new title sponsor for Lotus!

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:01

Gerard Lopez to MTV3 (from Oskari Saari twitter account) news to be told soon about new title sponsor for Lotus!

No wonder Kimi finished P2 and P1 today then!

#2077 Diderlo

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:02

Gerard Lopez to MTV3 (from Oskari Saari twitter account) news to be told soon about new title sponsor for Lotus!


:clap: Great!

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:06

Rain is the one big problem, Lotus still doesn't look that good in the rain. Ferrari looked super fast in the wet. Things are looking good if the conditions can stay dry. But I dont want to get head of myself.


exactly! :up:


#2079 Alburaq

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:06

Exhaust and tunnel closer to RBR's design now with bumpy outlet and narrower tunnel

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#2080 Vesuvius

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:10

Rain is the one big problem, Lotus still doesn't look that good in the rain. Ferrari looked super fast in the wet. Things are looking good if the conditions can stay dry. But I dont want to get head of myself.


Ferrari came to the track later than Lotus so their tyres was in better conditions when track was drying all the time....Lotus don't look to be the fastest on wet but not too bad either and I doubt they were on similar fuel load.

Edited by Vesuvius, 22 March 2013 - 08:10.


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:11

Actually from wha i've seen,kimi was faster than anyone elsein wet as well. Wet, inter tyres were going ok,
The car seems to have tyre advantage, has good one lap and long pave, looks good in both wet and dry conditions

#2082 Vesuvius

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:18

Actually from wha i've seen,kimi was faster than anyone elsein wet as well. Wet, inter tyres were going ok,
The car seems to have tyre advantage, has good one lap and long pave, looks good in both wet and dry conditions



no not really, even Grosjean did similar/bit better times than Kimi...althought Kimi's times were more consistent and he was always lap behind on track...Ferraries were much better than others but they came few laps later to the track.


This was the first time Kimi has topped practise times since 2009.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:27

Lobato keeps repeating Räikkönen is fat :lol:

Does this idiot have a website or a twitter account? If yes, time to laugh at him hard.

Anyone got a comprehensive analysis of the wet times? Surely looking much better than last year. About Grosjean being faster: if I'm correct Massa was also faster than Alonso in the wet, so it's not the end of the world. The most important thing for Lotus' championship campaign is that there is still a good chance of strong point finishes even in the wet, that was unthinkable with the E20.

Edited by Jovanotti, 22 March 2013 - 08:30.


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:53

#F1 James Allison of Lotus confirms that @RGrosjean has been handicapped in AUS and here because Kimi has got updates first 27 minutes ago

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:56

I don't remember a team not being able to give equal cars to team-mates at such an early point in the season before?
I mean I understand later in the season when development is trickier and squashed into the short gaps between races but I'm surprised Lotus are in that situation at the start

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:00

People seem to forget that Kimi sacrificed several FP's last year for the DRD. In Melbourne, they shared the testing of the new parts, bad luck for RG that the rain came in during FP3. And even if he was disadvantaged, so what, RB and Ferrari do it, too, and Räikkönen is their man for the championship. Big deal.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:03

I don't remember a team not being able to give equal cars to team-mates at such an early point in the season before?
I mean I understand later in the season when development is trickier and squashed into the short gaps between races but I'm surprised Lotus are in that situation at the start


they have to test updates seperately to get data from both, new and old packages.

from BBC Sport:

Williams development driver Susie Wolff, acting as a BBC analyst on Friday, said: "It is clear Raikkonen is on a roll this weekend - second in P1, fastest in P2 and fastest in the wet as well.

"Everything is where we expected from first practice. Everyone is in roughly the same order as Australia.

"Lotus are quick, as are Ferrari and Red Bull and I think it will come down to tyre management on Sunday.

#2088 Viryfan

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:04

People seem to forget that Kimi sacrificed several FP's last year for the DRD. In Melbourne, they shared the testing of the new parts, bad luck for RG that the rain came in during FP3. And even if he was disadvantaged, so what, RB and Ferrari do it, too, and Räikkönen is their man for the championship. Big deal.


Grosjean is learning, after all it's only his second full season in F1 and he is against a WDC.

I do think that Grosjean is learning, improving his racecraft and so on.

#2089 Vesuvius

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:05

People seem to forget that Kimi sacrificed several FP's last year for the DRD. In Melbourne, they shared the testing of the new parts, bad luck for RG that the rain came in during FP3. And even if he was disadvantaged, so what, RB and Ferrari do it, too, and Räikkönen is their man for the championship. Big deal.


yes Kimi tested DRD and lost lot of practise time because of it, didn't show too much in his performances but he said it did effect a bit. Maybe Lotus is more happy about Kimi's feedback and that's why bigger things are been tested with him as he has the experience.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:08

F1 isn't place to learn



Tell this to Damon Hill, David Coulthard, Mika Hakkinnen,Alonso,Hulkenberg, Sheckter (or even Kimi Raikkonnen).

It's always a learning process.

Just look to the number of races in F1 for RoGro and compare to the rest of the top 10 in 2012. Oh wait....

Edited by Viryfan, 22 March 2013 - 09:10.


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:12

I don't remember a team not being able to give equal cars to team-mates at such an early point in the season before?
I mean I understand later in the season when development is trickier and squashed into the short gaps between races but I'm surprised Lotus are in that situation at the start

And.... the witch-hunt begins!! :evil:

Kimi got the updates BECAUSE he is can MAXIMIZE them with his setup. Honestly, one will be joking if they think Grosjean is/was capable of dominating/beating Alonso & Vettel in Melbourne. Add to that, Lotus' needs to maximize their status with performances due to being handicapped on financial situations. It's pretty stupid if they produce/rush parts for both drivers and lose out bothering about updates for Grosjean first.

Grosjean has himself gotten stuck here thanks to his poor performances in 2012, and lost the right to be considered otherwise over Kimi Raikkonen. When Grosjean was doing well... he got updates first at a particular period last year over Kimi. So he needs to catch up first... which is important if team needs to achieve it's targets.

Edited by BackOnTop, 22 March 2013 - 09:18.


#2092 F.M.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:18

Maybe Lotus is more happy about Kimi's feedback and that's why bigger things are been tested with him as he has the experience.

Kimi always says after a few corners whether he likes it or not. Quick evaluation ;)

Edited by F.M., 22 March 2013 - 09:18.


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:19

And.... the witch-hunt begins!! :evil:

Kimi got the updates BECAUSE he is can MAXIMIZE them with his setup. Honestly, one will be joking if they think Grosjean is/was capable of dominating/beating Alonso & Vettel in Melbourne. Add to that, Lotus' needs to maximize their status with performances due to being handicapped on financial situations. It's pretty stupid if they produce/rush parts for both drivers and lose out bothering about updates for Grosjean first.

Grosjean has himself gotten stuck here thanks to his poor performances in 2012, and lost the right to be considered otherwise over Kimi Raikkonen.


Apart from the "witch-hunt" part (???) that makes a lot of sense, thanks for the explanation

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:23

#F1 James Allison of Lotus confirms that @RGrosjean has been handicapped in AUS and here because Kimi has got updates first 27 minutes ago

I think the team is not very 'amused' by Grosjean at the moment... (considering this is leading to bad publicity because of RoGro crying 'somethings wrong with his car'..

Grosjean is a whiner (translated by Nicole)
http://www.mtv3.fi/u.../2009/10/967040
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Rookie-driver Romain Grosjean has got a negative reputation on the F1-paddock because of his behavior, MTV3:s F1-expert Jyrki Järvilehto tells.

- We have heard quite many things about Grosjean being a real whiner. He whines, complains and says that things aren’t working the right way. They have disliked it very much in Renault’s circles. He has said that he doesn’t have the same machinery and that he hasn’t got everything he would have needed, Järvilehto told.


-this image is too much :lol:

Edited by BackOnTop, 22 March 2013 - 11:25.


#2095 F.M.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:24

Adam Cooper @adamcooperf1
#F1 Kimi Raikkonen bored with media asking about form this weekend: "You keep asking the same question all the time, I have no idea..."

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:26

F1 in America @F1US
@Lotus_F1Team title sponsor to be announced to have an American connection - via @bobvarsha on @F1onNBCSports #F1 #f1onnbc #polo

f1talks.pl ‏@f1talks 2u
So big (title) sponsor announcement soon... #F1

f1talks.pl ‏@f1talks 1u
Genii logo will be replaced on Lotus cars but I'm not sure that will happend during this weekend. #F1

f1talks.pl ‏@f1talks 1u
It looks like Honeywell changed their decision or we will have other big player on the grid with American roots. #F1

Edited by F.M., 22 March 2013 - 09:27.


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:27

Tell this to Damon Hill, David Coulthard, Mika Hakkinnen,Alonso,Hulkenberg, Sheckter (or even Kimi Raikkonnen).

It's always a learning process.

Just look to the number of races in F1 for RoGro and compare to the rest of the top 10 in 2012. Oh wait....



The best drivers excels since their very first race. It's fourth year in F1 for Grosjean and he hasn't progressed at all. His racecraft is probably the worst I've ever seen + he is slow.

#2098 Diderlo

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:29

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/106240
Malaysian GP: Romain Grosjean thinks Melbourne issue is lingering

Edited by Diderlo, 22 March 2013 - 09:29.


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:32

Looks like Grosjean can`t really trust the car and i don't think the updates will help him that much (i can be wrong). He knows that he has to deliver and not make mistakes. Like the off he had in FP2 doesn't make him more confident more the opposite i think and on top on that you have kimi banging in the times over and over again it cant be easy for Grosjean at the moment. I am a really big kimi fan ( been watching F1 for more then 20years ) but i hope Grosjean gets he`s act together for his own and the teams sake.

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#2100 Vesuvius

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 09:36

F1 in America @F1US
@Lotus_F1Team title sponsor to be announced to have an American connection - via @bobvarsha on @F1onNBCSports #F1 #f1onnbc #polo

f1talks.pl ‏@f1talks 2u
So big (title) sponsor announcement soon... #F1

f1talks.pl ‏@f1talks 1u
Genii logo will be replaced on Lotus cars but I'm not sure that will happend during this weekend. #F1

f1talks.pl ‏@f1talks 1u
It looks like Honeywell changed their decision or we will have other big player on the grid with American roots. #F1


thanks, looks like that Lopez words about announcement was indeed very soon :D