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#3401 Trust

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 14:01

Alonso looking better than us. Don't know if we could beat him. Kimi is there fighting on the podium again I guess.

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#3402 Cyanide

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 14:09

Alonso looking better than us. Don't know if we could beat him. Kimi is there fighting on the podium again I guess.


I don't think he's that much better that he'll be impossible to catch. It's still a bit blurry.

Anyway, if Kimi can outqualify Alonso tomorrow, like in China, he needs a trouble-free start and has to keep him behind. If Alonso gets in front and creates a gap, Lotus should go for one stop less than the Ferrari.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 14:13

Alo was on hards while Rai was on mediums...

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 14:15

Alo was on hards while Rai was on mediums...

Second stint Alonso was on mediums also and his 7 laps laps look quite a bit faster than Kimi's. Though it could all be down to fuel load, but we saw how fast is that Ferrari in China, so everything is open.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 14:19

As SpaMaster said, maybe Räikkönen was taking it easier because he knew he was going for longer. There were a few laps in his stint with almost no drop off, I think that would suggest that he wasn't going all-in there.

Edited by Jovanotti, 19 April 2013 - 14:22.


#3406 Cyanide

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 14:28

As SpaMaster said, maybe Räikkönen was taking it easier because he knew he was going for longer.


This.

Alonso came out on mediums with 10 minutes to go. So it made sense to pound in the fastest laps he could because he knew he could complete only about 8 laps. Also, after completing that stint on hards, I'm not sure whether they had time to refuel the Ferrari before he went out on mediums. He did 1.38s while Kimi was doing 1.41s. I highly doubt the difference is that big.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 14:29

i believe kimi will surprise alot of people tomorrow.. :eek:

#3408 F.M.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 14:31

This.

Alonso came out on mediums with 10 minutes to go. So it made sense to pound in the fastest laps he could because he knew he could complete only about 8 laps. Also, after completing that stint on hards, I'm not sure whether they had time to refuel the Ferrari before he went out on mediums. He did 1.38s while Kimi was doing 1.41s. I highly doubt the difference is that big.

Kimi came out on hards in the closing minutes and after being stuck behind Sutil(?) on the first flying lap, he immediately put in a 1.39 flat

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 14:32

i believe kimi will surprise alot of people tomorrow.. :eek:

Not getting my hopes up yet, but it's due time to have Kimi on pole position again

Edited by F.M., 19 April 2013 - 14:32.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 14:34

Kimi:""It didn't feel particularly good today, the car, I think there's improvements to be done. The lap time was pretty OK so obviously I made some mistakes - especially in the last corner - so we lost quite a bit of time but hopefully we can improve the feeling a bit for tomorrow so we will see what we can do. It's not 100% where we want to be but the lap time seems to be more or less there so we have to improve and then I'm sure we can do better lap times. Not really, we do what we feel at the time is the right thing. Sometimes the tyres go away and then it's pointless, or your set-up is not right and then it's a bit pointless to run a long run if you know that there's something wrong. So today we were just running a bit longer but it depends really how it goes."

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 14:46

Raikkonen Fastest in Bahrain
19 April 2013

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Lotus driver Kimi Raikkonen headed the Red Bulls and Fernando Alonso's Ferrari in second practice at the Bahrain GP. The Finn was 0.03 seconds clear of Red Bull's Mark Webber at the head of a tightly packed field, with the second Red Bull of world champion Sebastian Vettel third.

The race simulations runs later in the session suggested Ferrari and Lotus may be the strongest teams on Sunday, with the Red Bulls their main competition. Raikkonen was marginally faster than Massa, who was a similar distance ahead of Vettel when comparing their equivalent race-simulation runs on 'medium' tyres at the same time.

Alonso's pace on the 'hard' and 'medium' tyres on his race-simulation runs was extremely impressive, but he ran the tyres at different times from his rivals when the circuit would be in a different condition, so it is harder to draw conclusions.

Webber set the fastest time on the 'hard' tyre on a race run and Alonso the fastest on the 'medium', while Raikkonen did an impressively long run on the 'medium' to see how long it would last before it wore out.

BBC F1 technical analyst Gary Anderson said: "I think the Lotus has got that little edge on Ferrari. They seem to be able to drive the car that little bit longer. But I think the battle at the front will be pretty heavy going. Red Bull are still in the mix, though."

Full Article: bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22219230


#3412 cotecine

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 14:47

Not getting my hopes up yet, but it's due time to have Kimi on pole position again


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 14:54

Grosjean can't cope with a twitchy rear end as good as Raikkonen. In China he was consistently loosing about 0.5s in the first sector, probably not having confidence to go into turn one with as much speed as Kimi fearing that the rear could step out.

When a car brakes, the front end dives downwards and the rear end upwards accordingly, this may be making the rear unstable. Now last year Lotus didn't run the downforce-enhancing exhaust and this year it does, so when the driver goes off the throttle the rear loses some downforce and then when the brake pedal is pressed the matter is compounded. One of the advantages of this suspension system is apparently minimazing the diving effect.

As the system is passive, setting it up to work precisely must be a nightmare. So it could be the case of the same settings affecting the two drivers differently - with Romain needing a very precise working system more than Kimi who is naturally not as much bothered with the effect the system is trying to minimize. The opposite of the steering problems for Kimi from last year when he demanded a very precise steering system while Romain just got on with it.


Makes sense. And he did say (to Finnish commentators) that he didn´t have the confidence Kimi had (especially) into turn one. He has also said that Kimi´s settings don´t work for him..

So one could say they´ve developed the car to Kimi´s driving style ;)

#3414 Nina

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 14:59

Not getting my hopes up yet, but it's due time to have Kimi on pole position again


I have a feeling he is going to get at least one pole this season. Would be great if he gets it here. :)

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 15:04

I have a feeling he is going to get at least one pole this season. Would be great if he gets it here. :)


i really hope so. :)


#3416 Wander

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 15:04

I think he will.

#3417 Cyanide

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 15:05

http://en.espnf1.com...ory/106080.html

Kimi Raikkonen: It didn't feel particularly good today, the car, I think there's improvements to be done.

I just hope they don't lose this pace tomorrow by making further adjustments to the setup.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 15:07

have good one lap pace, great race pace, moan about car feeling bad.

Oh snap xD if there is really room for improvment Kimi will blitz the field :lol:

totally:

Edited by Shiroo, 19 April 2013 - 15:09.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 15:11

Raikkonen Tops Friday Sessions (Video)
19 April 2013

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Kimi Raikkonen says he is not getting carried away despite emerging as an early favourite for the Bahrain Grand Prix after a strong practice session.

http://www1.skysport...friday-sessions


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#3420 Wander

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 15:13

have good one lap pace, great race pace, moan about car feeling bad.

Oh snap xD if there is really room for improvment Kimi will blitz the field :lol:

totally:


Too true...

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 15:26

I think Alonso still looks the driver to beat. If he do storm to a dominant victory lets hope one of the lotus can at least consolidate a 2nd place. To me that's the target.

#3422 Shiroo

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 15:29

by the way, Planet-F1 is now somehow sponsored by Lotus.

You are more than entitled to your opinion but at present it is that Sure for Men sponsorship that is keeping this website happy.

they have even gallery about Lotus in right top corner. Totally odd :x

#3423 MikeV1987

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 15:32

The top 10 from P2 looks relatively close, hopefully Kimi can find some more speed. I think Ferrari will be the team to beat in qualy tomorrow, Alonso will be up there, but I expect Massa to be very fast around here too.

#3424 SpaMaster

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 15:33

http://en.espnf1.com...ory/106080.html

Kimi Raikkonen: It didn't feel particularly good today, the car, I think there's improvements to be done.

I just hope they don't lose this pace tomorrow by making further adjustments to the setup.

My first thoughts too.. :p It is bizarre to see such good lap times and the driver saying 'the feeling is not too good, we need to improve the car'. But I believe Kimi. I just hope they don't go in the wrong direction.

#3425 MikeV1987

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 15:52

My first thoughts too.. :p It is bizarre to see such good lap times and the driver saying 'the feeling is not too good, we need to improve the car'. But I believe Kimi. I just hope they don't go in the wrong direction.


The gap from 2nd place is tiny though, hell anybody in the top 10 can be a threat in qualifying, they are all within ~8 tenths of each other.

Edited by MikeV1987, 19 April 2013 - 15:54.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 15:54

The gap from 2nd place is tiny though, hell anybody in the top 10 can be a threat in qualifying, they are all within 8-9 tenths of each other.

but Raikkonen had 23.8 in S3 and all others had 23.4+- even Gro had 23.5. He made there MASSIVE mistake. Should be 0.4-0.5 faster. He had purple S1 and S2 and then went slowe than on hard compound S3 xD

#3427 MikeV1987

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 15:55

but Raikkonen had 23.8 in S3 and all others had 23.4+- even Gro had 23.5. He made there MASSIVE mistake. Should be 0.4-0.5 faster. He had purple S1 and S2 and then went slowe than on hard compound S3 xD


Yeah there you go, I expect P3 to be even tighter.

The limitations on DRS are helping out Kimi too I suspect, there is no doubt in my mind that the Red Bull could do some of those fast corners with its DRS open, where the Lotus cannot.

Anyway, crossing my fingers for a Lotus front row tomorrow. :clap:

Edited by MikeV1987, 19 April 2013 - 16:04.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 16:15

Alan Permane, Lotus trackside operations director
"It was a fairly standard Friday for us, which is a nice way to start the weekend. We looked at setup work in the morning before moving to longer runs, higher fuel race pace and degradation analysis on both tyre compounds in the afternoon, with no problems or interruptions to the programme. We were able to push both allocated compounds of tyres pretty well in the hot conditions today and generally the cars are well balanced. Romain's running a new chassis and overall is happy with the car so we're looking forward to an exciting qualifying session tomorrow." (F1)



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Posted 19 April 2013 - 16:17

Definitely row one or two for Räikkönen tomorrow, and surely a very likely candidate for the win!

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 16:36

The pessimist in me says that tomorrow morning Lotus will lose the pace they had today after making some setup changes, similar to Malaysia. Raikkonen will qualify no higher than 5th and during the race he won't have the speed to keep up with the Ferraris.

The optimist in me says that tomorrow Raikkonen will be on pole. Or at least very close to pole, and from there he will win the race.

In Australia I was pessimistic about his chances, so I'll stay the same for Bahrain. :)

#3431 SpaMaster

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 17:15

Yes, given how things have changed for the worse from Friday to Saturday a couple of times this season, I would wait till tomorrow and see how they do. But this season, there is no time to beat around the bush. They should go for it every weekend.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 17:21

http://www.formula1....13/4/14481.html

Good bit where he says that he want to give all 5o his drivers, particualry Kimi

Tbh that interview sounds like it would be made with Kimi`s manager xD Lotus has atm clear nr 1 driver and nr 2, tbh I still believe that the car is made more to Raik preference. Also he is trying to mock RBR, and from my POV he is right about them. Still all the praise from Eric and Lopez about Kimi

Grosjean seems to be not mentioned at all sometimes


To all these people saying that they favour Gro

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 17:25

Just shows how far away from the predictions of him being unmotivated lazy bum only returning to f1 to get destroyed by grosjean.. Only top5 result huh? :)

Edited by Pitlane, 19 April 2013 - 17:26.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 18:11

I don't know about all this talk about front row etc. Sometimes practice times are reasonably representative of the order of things in the race. Frankly, though, at least as often they're not. When Kimi says a car doesn't feel very good, however, that pretty much means it doesn't. It's not as if the E21 is some kind of miracle machine. If they want to be competitive on Sunday, then they're going to need to have a better setup than one that "doesn't feel very good".

#3435 F.M.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 20:21

Lotus' topspeed is almost 2 km/h higher than the next car

#3436 F.M.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 20:22

The pessimist in me says that tomorrow morning Lotus will lose the pace they had today after making some setup changes, similar to Malaysia. Raikkonen will qualify no higher than 5th and during the race he won't have the speed to keep up with the Ferraris.

The optimist in me says that tomorrow Raikkonen will be on pole. Or at least very close to pole, and from there he will win the race.

In Australia I was pessimistic about his chances, so I'll stay the same for Bahrain. :)

To make the pessimist a bit more optimistic: they will just revert to their Friday's settings if FP3 settings are sh*t.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 21:15

Guys what do u reckon 2 or 3 stopper for us ?

#3438 Cyanide

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 22:37

Guys what do u reckon 2 or 3 stopper for us ?


I think a 2 stopper is definitely possible and something tells me they'll go for it. I reckon others will try as well.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:24

Grosjean IS BACK! Kimi seems to have still some setup issues or something. Maybe they should revert setup to the Friday for qualy.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:25

Grosjean IS BACK! Kimi seems to have still some setup issues or something. Maybe they should revert setup to the Friday for qualy.


Too early to say.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:25

Question:

Do both drivers have the same chassis spec now? And pretty much same updates?

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:25

Wasn't Kimi held up on his fastest lap?

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:27

Wasn't Kimi held up on his fastest lap?

Yes by williams, there is more pace to come from Kimi.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:28

Question:

Do both drivers have the same chassis spec now? And pretty much same updates?


Grosjean has new chassis spec.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:29

Yes by williams, there is more pace to come from Kimi.

How much pace do you estimate?

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:30

Yes, Kimi had a bit of traffic in the final corner. His final sector time was not as good as his first two, and that's a sector that is least affected by tyre-wear. I don't think Kimi's pace has any issue. It is just that Grosjean seems to have got his speed back. The track also seems to be rubbering in quite a bit, and it is good news that Grosjean continued to stay at the top for quite some time. It looks like it would be quite close between the top 3 teams for qualy.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:31

How much pace do you estimate?


He was less than tenth from Grosjean (when he did 1,33,7) so 0,2-0,3 tenths.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:31

For starters they both ran hard tyres, let's see medium tyre runs before saying anything

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:33

He was less than tenth from Grosjean (when he did 1,33,7) so 0,2-0,3 tenths.

That is still not enough, but ok, this is just a practice I know.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:35

Yes it's just practise and Grosjean has been faster before as well but lets wait for those mediums and quali will show the truth, I don't think Kimi is pushing yet as much as Romain is.