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#3501 Vesuvius

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:04

hmm what happened? we had decent pace yday, not bad at morning and now it went just bad. Everyone else was hiding their cards or smt went totally wrong?


We don't have single lap pace on the two of hardest pirelli tyres.

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#3502 Trust

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:05

Kimi didn't delivere, that's what happened. Bad S2. He should have been at least behind Webbo. And with those two having penalites he sholud be starting 4th tomorrow. Average qualifying.

#3503 Seanspeed

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:06

We don't have single lap pace on the two of hardest pirelli tyres.

Kimi didn't have a good last lap. He was quicker in Q2.

#3504 Vesuvius

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:06

Kimi didn't delivere, that's what happened. Bad S2. He should have been at least behind Webbo. And with those two having penalites he sholud be starting 4th tomorrow. Average qualifying.


There simply wasnt more pace on the car, practise three already showed we don't fight for top positions.

#3505 MadYarpen

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:07

wtf?

#3506 Hayden1

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:07

HAhhaha , great Q from Kimi :rotfl: . ForceIndia in front of Kimi , have fun tomorrow. over 1s slower than Merc :wave:

Edited by Hayden1, 20 April 2013 - 12:08.


#3507 SpaMaster

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:07

Poor middle sector. Definitely not slower than Force India. Should have been 6th at the very least.

#3508 Vesuvius

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:07

Kimi didn't have a good last lap. He was quicker in Q2.


Yes true but today has been fighting all the time, times don't come easy.

#3509 Anja

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:07

What a disaster.

#3510 Wander

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:08

Q2 lap would have given 4th grid position.

Very disappointing.

#3511 Trust

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:08

There simply wasnt more pace on the car, practise three already showed we don't fight for top positions.

Come on don't be that much subjective. With his Q2 lap, he would be 4th now, and you forgot track evolution.

#3512 Jeeves

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:08

I'm going to be really optimistic and expect another lightning out of the sky in Q3 from KR, like in China. Grosjean seems to be getting to grips with the car too. :up:

So that's P1 and P3. :)


Oh well. :rolleyes:

I hope the race pace is a lot better tomorrow, not sure what they can do in terms of strategy though.

#3513 Topsu

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:08

So with the Q2 lap we would start fourth? Kimi and Lotus should know one tru isn't enough for him, he always makes mistakes when it counts.

#3514 SpaMaster

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:09

There simply wasnt more pace on the car, practise three already showed we don't fight for top positions.

No, that's not what FP3 showed. Quite the opposite. Kimi was slower than his Q2 time set on used tyres.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:09

Horrible quali, we start from 8th because of Hamiltons penalty but that's also bad as it's dirty side. Seems like we really struggled without softer tyres.


Webbo has penalty as well so it's 7th

#3516 aray

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:09

it was Gro failure that he failed with lap so much.

Grosjean was held on for too late...he only got one chance in Q2..clear fail by Lotus..:down:

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:10

HAhhaha , great Q from Kimi :rotfl: . ForceIndia in front of Kimi , have fun tomorrow. over 1s slower than Merc :wave:

Lotus at least dont destroy its suspension due to retarded car that is eating its tyres

So with the Q2 lap we would start fourth? Kimi and Lotus should know one tru isn't enough for him, he always makes mistakes when it counts.

didnt have any more fresh meds. He failed his Q2 lap and needed to spend there 2x med. If he woudl come with good Q2 lap right of the bat they would run differently

Edited by Shiroo, 20 April 2013 - 12:11.


#3518 Yoshi

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:10

So with the Q2 lap we would start fourth? Kimi and Lotus should know one tru isn't enough for him, he always makes mistakes when it counts.


:rolleyes:

#3519 Diderlo

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:10

No, that's not what FP3 showed. Quite the opposite. Kimi was slower than his Q2 time set on used tyres.


I thought he used 2 new sets in Q2

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#3520 nada12

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:11

Kimi will start from 7th? Could be worse. With hopefully a good start and a Rosberg holding up the pack for a while there's still a good result possible.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:12

Grosjean was held on for too late...he only got one chance in Q2..clear fail by Lotus..:down:


Magic Permane Hits again.

#3522 Vesuvius

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:12

No, that's not what FP3 showed. Quite the opposite. Kimi was slower than his Q2 time set on used tyres.


It did show, Kimi had troubles against Romain unlike yesterday...in q2 kimi used two new mediums.

#3523 Shiroo

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:12

btw that was all the pace in the car or car went Malaysia?

#3524 Jovanotti

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:12

Well they'll have to try two stops tomorrow, that's their only chance. I bet this car could drive round the planet on a set of hards...

#3525 Rikhart

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:12

I love how vultures are all here, because of Kimi qualifying 9th? Must I remember you where he qualified last year, and how the race turned out? I would wait a bit before you throw a party, dear haters ;)

#3526 Vesuvius

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:13

Magic Permane Hits again.


Not really, Romain had to go to FIA checking to measure weight etc.

#3527 OSX

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:13

Was Kimi's lap hampered by traffic?

#3528 Viryfan

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:13

Well they'll have to try two stops tomorrow, that's their only chance. I bet this car could drive round the planet on a set of hards...


RoGro could do the race exclusively on new tyres.

That could be an advantage.

#3529 Vesuvius

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:13

Was Kimi's lap hampered by traffic?


No Kimi had free track according to Oskari Saari.

#3530 skywing

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:13

So with the Q2 lap we would start fourth? Kimi and Lotus should know one tru isn't enough for him, he always makes mistakes when it counts.

A bit like in China? But go ahead, troll on.

#3531 Rikhart

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:14

Was Kimi's lap hampered by traffic?


Nah

#3532 beute

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:14

Webbo has penalty as well so it's 7th

nope

hamilton goes from 4th to 9th and webber goes from 5th to 7th since he gets 1 position thx to hamilton penalty

#3533 MortenF1

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:14

I'm dumbfounded. Lotus looking strong in all conditions in free practice usually carries through to Saturday and qualifying. Hell they usually manage to salvage something when they start off on the wrong foot.

Hugely dissapointing performance.

....but, they will definitely go forwards tomorrow, the question is how far, and if two or three stops will be best.

#3534 Elloh

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:15

Webbo has penalty as well so it's 7th


Webber has a 3-place penalty, he will start 7th. Kimi 8th. Lewis 9th.

Edited by Elloh, 20 April 2013 - 12:15.


#3535 artista

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:15

Is the car 'nervous'?
Drivers continuously struggling to put 3 sectors together sometimes is due to that.

#3536 SpaMaster

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:15

I thought he used 2 new sets in Q2

Their medium hold on pretty well. They would not have needed a new set. He lost time trying to pull a slip-stream stunt in the first run and he had two laps more fuel. This alone gives about 6-7 tenths to make up. And his first sector time was 0.1 s slower than his first Q2 run and middle sector was about the same. I am pretty sure that was the same set he used for the first run.

#3537 boldhakka

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:16

Isn't it possible that Kimi was taking it easy on the tyres because he has to go longer in the first stint? If they've decided on a 2-stop strategy, that might make sense.

#3538 Vesuvius

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:17

Their medium hold on pretty well. They would not have needed a new set. He lost time trying to pull a slip-stream stunt in the first run and he had two laps more fuel. This alone gives about 6-7 tenths to make up. And his first sector time was 0.1 s slower than his first Q2 run and middle sector was about the same. I am pretty sure that was the same set he used for the first run.


Nope it was new, we see them from tv if it's new or old....Kimi used all his medium tyres, Romain has two sets of new mediums.

#3539 Hayden1

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:17

Now seriously, track was much colder today, thal helped MGP a lot and Lotus lost speed. But tomorrow it will be warmer so we still have a good chance. P7 is not so bad. Kimi have to pass FI fast and he will be ok for the rest of the race.Lotus is very sensitive to temperature changes .

Edited by Hayden1, 20 April 2013 - 12:19.


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#3540 intelligentsia

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:18

That was a really disappointing qualifying. Grosjean should have had another lap, it was obvious. Kimi's Q3 just wasn't that good.

I have a feeling cloud cover caused some real problems for Lotus during qualifying. It seems like Lotus struggled with the cloud cover while Mercedes for example did better.

It also seems like they have changed the setup from Friday and it might not be working as well, again.

Edited by intelligentsia, 20 April 2013 - 12:19.


#3541 JamesHunt

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:18

Isn't it possible that Kimi was taking it easy on the tyres because he has to go longer in the first stint? If they've decided on a 2-stop strategy, that might make sense.

No. Either you go flat out on the fresh set of option tyres or you go on the used set and save one fresh set

#3542 SpaMaster

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:19

Nope it was new, we see them from tv if it's new or old....Kimi used all his medium tyres, Romain has two sets of new mediums.

How do you see if it was new or old?

#3543 Trust

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:20

How do you see if it was new or old?

Kimi used all of his medium tyres! 100 percent sure.

#3544 aray

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:20

Not really, Romain had to go to FIA checking to measure weight etc.

wait measurement during qualifying..are you kidding..is it true... :confused: :confused:

#3545 OSX

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:21

No Kimi had free track according to Oskari Saari.

Damn. Kimi wasn't happy with the setup yesterday, despite the pace. Guess they tampered with Kimi's car too much or the conditions changed too much, or both.

#3546 SpaMaster

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:21

Kimi used all of his medium tyres! 100 percent sure.

That's what I am asking. What's the way to know this?

#3547 JamesHunt

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:21

2 sets in the Q2 and one set in Q3. No fresh set of the option tyres for the race

#3548 nada12

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:22

Webber has a 3-place penalty, he will start 7th. Kimi 8th. Lewis 9th.

Depends on how they apply these penalties. If it's straightforward Webber should be 8th, since he qualified 5th. If it's applied after Lewis's he'll go from 4th to 7th. Hope for some official clarification.

#3549 Lord_Shaitan

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:23

Romain was 0,4s slower in S2 during qual than in FP3 :drunk: . WTF has happened?

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:23

Depends on how they apply these penalties. If it's straightforward Webber should be 8th, since he qualified 5th. If it's applied after Lewis's he'll go from 4th to 7th. Hope for some official clarification.


Doesn't matter, we'll jump Webber at the start anyway.