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James Allison set to leave Lotus for McLaren [split]


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#1 F.M.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:43

Apparently James Allison is leaving the team for McLaren

Mod edit - http://www.motorspor...s_13012408.html

Edited by D.M.N., 24 January 2013 - 13:38.


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#2 Timstr11

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:49

Christian Nimmervoll ‏@MST_ChristianN
james #allison on the verge of leaving #Lotus_F1Team. more info to follow shortly.



#3 pryanjack

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:49

Apparently James Allison is leaving the team for McLaren


I hope not, that would be a pretty awful way to start the season.

#4 GodHimself

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:54

No man is bigger than the team. Lotus have a pretty formidable technical department (both in terms of brain power and technology) and all they need to start knocking on championship's door is a bit more $.

#5 Rikhart

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 13:06

Oh ffs, that would be terrible...

#6 Shiroo

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 13:07

But Allison is brilliant guy. He is still young and he already made with limited resources good car.

#7 Owen

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 13:12

Oh ffs, that would be terrible...

for who?

#8 Mc_Silver

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 13:21

It would be great asset for McLaren if it is true. He has great CV and one of the best out there

#9 Anonymous

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 13:28

for who?


Lotus.

#10 loki0420

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 13:35

It's been a while since McLaren lured some top engineer but let's wait and see. Paddy was supposed to leave and it appears he's not.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 13:46

for who?



Mercedes.

They probably planned to poach James

:lol:

#12 onewingedangel

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 14:00

It's been a while since McLaren lured some top engineer but let's wait and see. Paddy was supposed to leave and it appears he's not.


If Paddy was intending to leave for Mercedes, but the move is being blocked (for now) by Brawn, then McLaren would need to put people in place to replace Lowe anyway - bringing Allison in for Pat Frys old role with Lowe for now, there to replace him if need be, would be ideal.

With Fry having advised Ferrari on the McLaren staff to try and recruit, and Lowe possibly doing the same should he move on - it would be nice to see McLaren start poaching again.


#13 BernieEc

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 14:00

Mercedes.

They probably planned to poach James

:lol:


At the rate Merc is recruiting, I won't be surprised if they one day commit the ultimate faux pas and try to poach an engineer who already works with them (Brawn, Bob Bell) cos they seem hell bent on getting everyone.

kinda of like the Man City FC owners bidding for Tevez in their blind quest to get everyone (forgetting he already plays for them) :drunk:

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 14:04

Mercedes.

They probably planned to poach James

:lol:


If that's true then Merc's chances of doing so have jumped through the roof with Allison joining McLaren

#15 noikeee

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 14:12

This is getting ridiculous, far too many moves (rumoured and confirmed) within one week. What the hell is up with this timing? I know the '14 regs are coming up, but by this time they're starting to work on the cars, and with gardening leaves, all these new engineers coming and going will only work from July onwards on the new car.

It'd have made more sense to have this rush of transfers 6 months ago. As it is we're having a market of engineers as energetic as football's January transfer window. And usually we get this sort of thing about drivers not staff. Bizarre.

#16 boldhakka

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 14:12

Lotus lost Elliot to Merc and now Allison to McLaren. Not good, not good at all for them. Add to that the change in regs and engines and 2014 isn't looking a happy year for Enstone.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 14:14

At the rate Merc is recruiting, I won't be surprised if they one day commit the ultimate faux pas and try to poach an engineer who already works with them (Brawn, Bob Bell) cos they seem hell bent on getting everyone.

:lol:

#18 10e10

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 14:16

Good news for McLaren if this is true.

#19 Topsu

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 14:24

At the rate Merc is recruiting, I won't be surprised if they one day commit the ultimate faux pas and try to poach an engineer who already works with them (Brawn, Bob Bell) cos they seem hell bent on getting everyone.

Funny :D :rotfl:

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#20 F1ultimate

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 14:24

Silly season is silly. Lewis move to Mercedes really set things off. This is bad news for Lotus though because I doubt they will be able to lure a replacement from a competing team to fill the role.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 14:31

just as lotus gets a driver that can put the mashines he builds to good use and he is leaving...
hopefully not true.

#22 string158

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 14:47

Hopefully Louts will be able to attract some good talent having Kimi and new sponsors on board.

#23 Owen

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 15:00

Mercedes.

They probably planned to poach James

:lol:

:clap: brilliant

#24 darkkis

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 15:41

I seriously hope that this is false information. :|

#25 MadYarpen

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 15:45

He is really good designer. E20 and R30 were good cars, he will be hard to replace for Lotus. Sad if true.

#26 GodHimself

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 15:49

The car is designed and built by hundreds of engineers over a period of several months. No single man can make much of a difference these days (unless your name is Adrian Newey, but even his contribution is sometimes being overestimated). Of course, Allison's departure would leave a hole in Lotus's tech department, but it wouldn't be nearly as big as some of the posts in this thread seem to suggest.

Edited by GodHimself, 24 January 2013 - 15:50.


#27 IMO

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 15:51

Hope it wasnt true. Praying :)

#28 aray

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 15:54

now Lotus need to lure Sam Micheal...... ;)

#29 GodHimself

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 16:00

God forbid! Do you want this team to collapse or slip into eternal mediocrity?;)

Edited by GodHimself, 24 January 2013 - 16:01.


#30 boldhakka

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 16:31

The car is designed and built by hundreds of engineers over a period of several months. No single man can make much of a difference these days (unless your name is Adrian Newey, but even his contribution is sometimes being overestimated). Of course, Allison's departure would leave a hole in Lotus's tech department, but it wouldn't be nearly as big as some of the posts in this thread seem to suggest.


Depends on whether they have someone internally to smoothly takeover his job. Losing Eliot to Merc wouldn't have helped much either. If they have to go poach a TD from another team, then it's really bad.

#31 UPRC

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 16:40

now Lotus need to lure Sam Micheal......;)


Haha, poor Sam Michael. I honestly don't believe that it's a coincidence that the Williams slump started when he came in... and then when he left? Well... :lol:

#32 2ms

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 16:50

I think Lotus will sink without Allison, if they don't sink anyway. But could they theoretically at least get Pat Symonds back?

#33 F1ultimate

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 17:04

I think Lotus will sink without Allison, if they don't sink anyway. But could they theoretically at least get Pat Symonds back?


At the current rate at which Mercedes is absorbing all the top talent they can get, ex-con Pat Symonds will increasingly look like tasty meat.

#34 tarmac

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 17:34

Brawn cockblocked it hopefully

#35 jrg19

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 17:38

So this must point that Lowe is leaving?

Or do McLaren and Mercedes just plan on buying everyones TDs?

#36 SCUDmissile

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 18:21

If Lowe is leaving, it would be a good replacement. Even without him leaving this would be good for McLaren.

Hope it doesn't happen though. I want to see a lotus as strong as it can be, and Kimi being in the thick of it.

#37 SunnyENTP

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 18:38

So this must point that Lowe is leaving?

Or do McLaren and Mercedes just plan on buying everyones TDs?



Maybe McLaren had been looking for a new TD? Look how they played ignorant about not having a Lewis replacement 2 weels before they announced Perez while negotiating with Perez and DiResta. I think Lowe wanted to leave McLaren for new pastures and Williams was his choice.

#38 JRizzle86

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 19:19

Nice thread to see a new addition to McLaren. :)

Compared to rumours of Lowe leaving McLaren it is positive to see.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 19:43

I read on twitter that McLaren could be forced to reduce spending in F1 in order to devote resources to other areas of the organization.

This is getting ridiculous, far too many moves (rumoured and confirmed) within one week. What the hell is up with this timing? I know the '14 regs are coming up, but by this time they're starting to work on the cars, and with gardening leaves, all these new engineers coming and going will only work from July onwards on the new car.

It'd have made more sense to have this rush of transfers 6 months ago. As it is we're having a market of engineers as energetic as football's January transfer window. And usually we get this sort of thing about drivers not staff. Bizarre.


Actually July is usually the time when resources start getting transferred to the new cars so that makes a lot of sense.

Edited by BigCHrome, 24 January 2013 - 19:45.


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#40 DrProzac

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 19:53

Bad news for Lotus, good for McLaren.

Edited by DrProzac, 24 January 2013 - 19:54.


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Posted 24 January 2013 - 21:25

We need a technical director silly season thread. Much more action, as well as talent.

#42 bogi

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 21:29

Imagine pay technical directors.

#43 Rikhart

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 21:33

Hopefully brawn has aborted this whole deal!

#44 Owen

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 22:09

We need a technical director silly season thread. Much more action, as well as talent.

Think it was James Allen who said there is a real lack of senior level guys with this kind of experience.

#45 rijole1

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 22:43

Imagine pay technical directors.

:rotfl: :rotfl:

#46 JRizzle86

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 22:58

I read on twitter that McLaren could be forced to reduce spending in F1 in order to devote resources to other areas of the organization.



Actually July is usually the time when resources start getting transferred to the new cars so that makes a lot of sense.


Any factual sources, outside Twitter?

#47 BigCHrome

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:48

Any factual sources, outside Twitter?


It's from @joseluisf1, other than that no.

#48 BackOnTop

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:29

Imagine pay technical directors.

Merc- What can you bring us other than performance?
Lowe- ...err... Hamilton..!!?
Merc- Done deal (handshake)
Lowe- (sigh, that was close)

Mclaren- What can you bring us other than performance?
Allison- ...err... have convinced Lotus to keep Grosjean!!
Mclaren- :rotfl: (Welcome aboard)
Allison- :D

Ferrari- So whats the point of this secret Meeting?
Horner-...hmm.. Marko..!
(to be coninued)


#49 loki0420

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:53

It's from @joseluisf1, other than that no.

Say no more.

#50 darkkis

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 15:12

Say no more.

...untrustworthy?