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Poll: Will Grosjean survive 2013? (128 member(s) have cast votes)

Will Grosjean survive 2013?

  1. He will perform well in 2013 (78 votes [60.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.94%

  2. Gets replaced by Valsecchi mid-season (23 votes [17.97%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.97%

  3. Gets replaced at the end of the season (27 votes [21.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.09%

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#1 charly0418

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 21:32

E21 was released today but for me I was surprised at how Lotus is handiling the Grosjean situation.

Todays story and quote of Boullier regarding Grosjean:

http://www1.skysport...-points-in-2013

Asked what his expectations for his countryman were in 2013, Boullier joked: "Obviously to not run like 2012!

That's a pretty direct and harsh statment.

Not only that but today Lotus has confirmed Davide Valsecchi as the teams 3rd driver : http://www.autosport...t.php/id/105313

Basically, they made sure they had a good backup plan (Not D'Amborsio) in case Romain keeps crashing into other cars.

So what do you guys think, poor Romain is gonna be under a lot of pressure to perform early. If he doesn't I'm sure Lotus won't think about it twice and put Valsecchi in his place. Hopefully the guy doens't go crazy



Edit: added a poll to see what people think

Edited by charly0418, 28 January 2013 - 22:22.


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#2 Absulute

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 21:39

Well, he made a LOT of boneheaded moves last season, as I'm sure he'll be the first to admit.

If he's unable to keep that under control, then it's the correct call to give the car to someone who can.

#3 ApexMouse

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 21:40

It was a joke, though a half serious one.

This will inevitably be taken over by the kimi 'lets flame romain' fanboy crowd, but if Grosjean gets it together he'll absolutely be a solid grandprix driver. He has speed in quali and most races (though Kimi was often quicker over a race distance at end of season), of that there is no doubt. Lotus gave him a big break with this second chance. If he wastes it then so be it, there are no shortage of replacements.

Replacing him with Valsecchi or Custard is hardly a step-up though.

Edited by ApexMouse, 28 January 2013 - 21:42.


#4 Obi Offiah

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 21:43

I don't think that statement and the hiring of Davide Valsecchi reflects Lotus putting massive pressure on Grosjean. But even if that was the case he made far too many mistakes in 2012 when there was less pressure. Even as late as Austin I recall him passing Schumacher on the inside at the end of the back straight, while looking left at the up coming corner and drifting right. If Michael hadn't taken a evasive action they would have collided.

Edited by Obi Offiah, 28 January 2013 - 21:44.


#5 Disgrace

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 21:43

He's under pressure to perform like every other F1 driver.

#6 Sakae

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 21:44

That's not pressure. Pressure starts, when EB tells Gro - one more strike, and you are out! That's also can be a double edged sword, because it can also make Gro anything but racey. I am not convinced they had reached that stage yet. Best is not to say anything, work with him, and if his rate of progress remains stagnant or risky, than make a move and switch overnight. I think EB knnows what he is doing, despite that I still do not understand, how he and FiA let those accidents last year unattended until the seventh before they woke up.

#7 ApexMouse

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 21:54

That's not pressure. Pressure starts, when EB tells Gro - one more strike, and you are out! That's also can be a double edged sword, because it can also make Gro anything but racey. I am not convinced they had reached that stage yet. Best is not to say anything, work with him, and if his rate of progress remains stagnant or risky, than make a move and switch overnight. I think EB knnows what he is doing, despite that I still do not understand, how he and FiA let those accidents last year unattended until the seventh before they woke up.


Then Maldonado should have been out for a season for Monaco, and spa the year previous. His general standard of racing is right down with Romians, PLUS using his car as a weapon is utterly unacceptable.
It is odd though. In gp2 and GT1 Gro was an awesome racer.

Edited by ApexMouse, 28 January 2013 - 21:55.


#8 Seanspeed

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 21:58

Asked what his expectations for his countryman were in 2013, Boullier joked: "Obviously to not run like 2012!

That's a pretty direct and harsh statment.

Its really not.


#9 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 22:00

And D'Ambrosio and Valsecchi really aren't lined up as replacements.

#10 Risil

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 22:03

And D'Ambrosio and Valsecchi really aren't lined up as replacements.


Is the opinion of Valsecchi that low in F1 circles? That he's not even up to the Competitive Third Driver role for one of the better midfield teams?

#11 ApexMouse

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 22:03

And D'Ambrosio and Valsecchi really aren't lined up as replacements.


Calado? Kobayashi, Kova. Those three would be better bets than their current reserves, in my mind.

#12 charly0418

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 22:05

Valsecchi will be by far the most competent reserve driver this year

#13 chumma

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 22:05

And D'Ambrosio and Valsecchi really aren't lined up as replacements.

Should have nabbed Bianchi to fill the Total seat.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 22:09

Valsecchi will be by far the most competent reserve driver this year

Frinjs?

#15 midgrid

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 22:09

Should have nabbed Bianchi to fill the Total seat.


Yes, I'm sure that Lotus would love a quick, inexperienced, crash-prone French driver to replace their existing quick, inexperienced, crash-prone French driver.

Edited by midgrid, 28 January 2013 - 22:10.


#16 Burai

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 22:13

Then Maldonado should have been out for a season for Monaco, and spa the year previous. His general standard of racing is right down with Romians, PLUS using his car as a weapon is utterly unacceptable.
It is odd though. In gp2 and GT1 Gro was an awesome racer.


And he still can be in the right environment and with the right support. If you spend a race weekend watching your back you aren't going to move forward.

It just depends whether Genii want or even need him to become a great GP driver to succeed Kimi. Look at Mika Hakkinen. He was pretty raw in his first few years but McLaren were playing the long game and let their Senna replacement grow of his own accord. If Genii want a star for the future they'll give him space and let him develop. If they just want a short-term Total cash injection... well... pile on the pressure, let him destroy himself and line up the next moneyed victim on the Gravity conveyor belt.

#17 charly0418

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 22:16

Frinjs?


Firjns is a top notch talent no doubt, but he may not be F1 ready yet. Valsecchi has tested with 3 F1 teams already and knows the majority of the tracks because of his GP2 experience.

#18 byronbolscher

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 22:18

It's part of the F1 job, just 22 seats around, even fewer in cars that can actually score podiums, so when you do have a seat in such a car, they expect you to atleast take the chances you get. To be honest, I think quite a few teams would've kicked out Grosjean for this season, so he's quite lucky he still has his seat, and needs to make most of it.

#19 One

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 22:22

True to that, byronbolscher.
It was not a joke, but does not mean a extra pressure. Romain should race like other drivers on the gird do. bring car home that is good for both himself and the team. The results count in F1. Management needed time to put Romain in the car thius winter. Looking back and personally, Glock may do a better job. in terms of bringing car to home with lots of poiunts.

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#20 swerved

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 22:27

It's part of the F1 job, just 22 seats around, even fewer in cars that can actually score podiums, so when you do have a seat in such a car, they expect you to atleast take the chances you get. To be honest, I think quite a few teams would've kicked out Grosjean for this season, so he's quite lucky he still has his seat, and needs to make most of it.



Spot on, those seats are a rare opportunity, I think what Boullier said was possibly unexpected, but by no means harsh, I think he's well and truly in the last chance saloon in 2013.


#21 F1ultimate

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 22:38

The team targets 3rd in the constructors, so you can bet that if Grosjean is more than 50% adrift from Kimi in points by mid-season, he will be benched.

#22 Seanspeed

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 22:45

The team targets 3rd in the constructors, so you can bet that if Grosjean is more than 50% adrift from Kimi in points by mid-season, he will be benched.

It all depends on the circumstances and if they believe they have somebody else who could do a better job.

Dont think its likely for him to be that far behind Kimi, though.

#23 ApexMouse

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 23:05

And he still can be in the right environment and with the right support. If you spend a race weekend watching your back you aren't going to move forward.

It just depends whether Genii want or even need him to become a great GP driver to succeed Kimi. Look at Mika Hakkinen. He was pretty raw in his first few years but McLaren were playing the long game and let their Senna replacement grow of his own accord. If Genii want a star for the future they'll give him space and let him develop. If they just want a short-term Total cash injection... well... pile on the pressure, let him destroy himself and line up the next moneyed victim on the Gravity conveyor belt.


Agreed on all points Burai.

Perhaps a little more testing mileage will help his race pace performances. He only got 2 tests before his comeback. I wish him well, and so long as he keeps his nose clean I think he will have a breakout season. One must keep in mind that his teammate is one of the best in the buisness.

#24 Les

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 23:59

F1 is a tough game and it really shouldn't be any other way. Of course the pressure is on Romain!

#25 Rikhart

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 00:00

First of all, he only remained in lotus because of total and their money, thats pretty clear to anyone who actually watched last season. The last time I saw a driver perform this badly in a decent car was I think michael andretti... He didnt improve one iota, during a season with 20 races. After each idiotic/crazy crash, it was the same "I won´t do it again". Now he´s saying "I won´t do it again", but of course he will, and possibly even more so, because he has last years pressure piled on top of him. He´s crashed into others repeatedly. He´s crashed all by himself. I really wish they would have gotten Kobayashi for his place :(

#26 Rikhart

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 00:04

And he still can be in the right environment and with the right support. If you spend a race weekend watching your back you aren't going to move forward.

It just depends whether Genii want or even need him to become a great GP driver to succeed Kimi. Look at Mika Hakkinen. He was pretty raw in his first few years but McLaren were playing the long game and let their Senna replacement grow of his own accord. If Genii want a star for the future they'll give him space and let him develop. If they just want a short-term Total cash injection... well... pile on the pressure, let him destroy himself and line up the next moneyed victim on the Gravity conveyor belt.



How can you possibly EVER compare Mika Hakkinen with this guy? I think grosjean crashed more in one season than Mika in like 10 or so... Really no idea what you are on about.

#27 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 00:12

Yet Mika was the last guy to be banned for causing shunts before Grosjean :p

#28 billm99uk

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 00:23

Yes, I'm sure that Lotus would love a quick, inexperienced, crash-prone French driver to replace their existing quick, inexperienced, crash-prone French driver.



Now, don't be mean  ;)

#29 Cyanide

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 00:50

That was a very fair answer from Boullier and from my understanding, it was definitely not a joke.

Lotus are competing with the top teams and they would've had the chance to snatch 3rd place in the constructors last year if it wasn't for Grosjean's mistakes. At McLaren or Ferrari, they would've dropped him like a bag of sand.

The situation is simple: "Make the mistakes from last year, and you're out." Sounds very fair to me.

#30 teejay

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 00:54

This world has truly gone mad if those are considered overly harsh.

#31 Shiroo

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:31

Is the opinion of Valsecchi that low in F1 circles? That he's not even up to the Competitive Third Driver role for one of the better midfield teams?

hardly a midfield. They are more top than Mercedes is. As Enstone they achieved a plenty of titles so far. And management is rather progressing in that direction

#32 Watkins74

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:47

Sorry if I don't cry for Grosjean. He is getting a third chance, He is with a good team, He is in F1 and he sleeps next to one of the finest pieces of ......... in the world.

Good luck to him in 2013.

#33 PatrickP

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:52

He will perform much better this season in my opinion. He has natural speed and his racecraft will improve with experience, his first lap incidents were massively over-exaggerated and not all were his fault anyway. Just remember that the F1 press said similar things about Sebastian Vettel when he first entered the sport and look where he is now.

Edited by PatrickP, 29 January 2013 - 01:53.


#34 tabovilla

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:06

he's too old to be making those kinds of race day "misjudgments"

mid season replacement, end of season at best...

Edited by tabovilla, 29 January 2013 - 02:07.


#35 halifaxf1fan

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:35

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No pressure!

#36 fabr68

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:58

After all those crashes in 2012, Grosjean is lucky to still be in F1

Wasting a race winning car like that can only last for so long...

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:00

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No pressure!

That cracks me up every time :lol:

#38 Brother Fox

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:10

You get the feeling that Boullier is just one crash away from snapping and stomping down the pit lane kicking and throwing anything he comes across
But for now, he's just bottling it up, tighter and tighter


#39 VoonDerful

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:17

If you can't handle pressure, do not become a F1 driver as it is common stuff.

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#40 kosmos

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:30

This world has truly gone mad if those are considered overly harsh.



Indeed, what do people expect a bag of candy?.

#41 Harry

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:37

People don't change, I think he made his bed in Spa. The drivers will take advantage of him when it comes to track position, he's a gonner next year.

#42 BoschKurve

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:50

Can Grosjean have a much better 2013 than 2012? Absolutely.

Will he? I'm undecided at this point.

After his 2012 campaign, he's the best chance we've had in awhile of getting a truly worthy successor to Andrea de Cesaris.

#43 PassWind

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:00

It's ok to say he will grow into the position, what is not ok is the revenue he threw down the drain over the season. Constructors points mean income, someone with more interest in the team than me could work out how many millions he cost the team. It's still a business and ultimately points garner a lot of income, when the team produces a car that is capable of getting a return on investment, it is reasonable to expect the drivers for the most part to capitalize on the majority of those chances. While titles are the ultimate goal, those points mean a lot to the ongoing health of the team, if he continues to squander those opportunities business wise it makes sense to let him go.

Anyway he is fast, that is known, can he drive however to meet all of the goals of F1 that a team needs to meet to stay at or near the top of F1.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:06

I think the reasons for keeping him on were the well achieved podiums he managed, if it wasn't for the alternator faliure that he and Vettel had the pleasure of in Valencia, he'd of had another podium. He definitely has a shit ton of skill, it's only when he's stuck between two fighting cars and creates an accident that has caused so much attention toward him.

I do take note however how bad he was in the USA GP, I can't remember specifically who was overtaking him (maybe Button?) but he was looking so much in his left mirror it was embarrasing.

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#45 MarileneRiddle

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:14

I don't think the pressure on Grosjean is excessive, though there is bound to be some pressure (regardless of how he performed the previous year) since he is in a top team. I think he would do well in 2013, although matching Kimi might be a tough call. After all he had made massive improvements in 2012 as compared to his quick fling with Renault in 2009.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:05

After all he had made massive improvements in 2012 as compared to his quick fling with Renault in 2009.


Not really, apart from his car simply being far far better which flattered him. He was still just as wild and mistake prone. I thought he would be much better last year, I think this is just the way he is.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:11

Not really, apart from his car simply being far far better which flattered him. He was still just as wild and mistake prone. I thought he would be much better last year, I think this is just the way he is.


But in terms of qualifying speed, he was usually there with Kimi. As compared to 2009 when he was nowhere compared to Alonso. Also, other than 1st lap incidents, he has lived up to podium/major points potential. Whereas in the Renault (which Alonso won a race in) he couldn't muster a single point. That has got to be considered quite an improvement.

I don't think he's suddenly going to be up there competing for WDC in 2013, but coping as a reasonably good number 2 sounds achievable.

#48 RJL

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:11

After his 2012 campaign, he's the best chance we've had in awhile of getting a truly worthy successor to Andrea de Cesaris.


I've been thinking the same thing. :lol:

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:24

But in terms of qualifying speed, he was usually there with Kimi. As compared to 2009 when he was nowhere compared to Alonso.


So was Massa.

Also, other than 1st lap incidents, he has lived up to podium/major points potential. Whereas in the Renault (which Alonso won a race in) he couldn't muster a single point. That has got to be considered quite an improvement.


Alonso won no races in 2009, the Renault was one of the worst cars on the grid that year especially in the second half of the year. His car improved but I really doubt Grosjean did.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:49

But in terms of qualifying speed, he was usually there with Kimi. As compared to 2009 when he was nowhere compared to Alonso. Also, other than 1st lap incidents, he has lived up to podium/major points potential. Whereas in the Renault (which Alonso won a race in) he couldn't muster a single point. That has got to be considered quite an improvement.

I don't think he's suddenly going to be up there competing for WDC in 2013, but coping as a reasonably good number 2 sounds achievable.

I can't agree with that. :)
The problem in 2009 was never the speed, taking into consideration he jumped into the car mid-season, it was very good. The problem in 2009 was the crash against Piquet's wall in free training in Singapore, the mad crash in qualifying in Brazil... (plus the chaos team he jumped in).

Back to the topic. I don't think Boullier was putting any excessive pressure on Grosjean there. Last season, Romain got a race ban, which is serious business, there is no way his boss can say he will be happy if Grosjean does this year like last year.

PS. Alonso didn't win any race in 2009, that was 2008