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#51 BigCHrome

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 19:23

They can certainly teach Ferrari and Lotus a thing or two about a classy livery.

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#52 Anderis

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 19:30

There's still a tiny McGregor logo on the Williams and on the garage wall with the partner list. Guess they are running out their contract.

McGregor has renewed it's deal with Williams in December 2012. Partnership is going to be continued at least until the end of 2015. It's not a big deal, though. But apparently not affected by situation with Van der Garde.

#53 Mauseri

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 19:38

Certainly the most ugly design. Nice colorscheme though.

#54 techspeed

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 19:45

These are the best studio photos I've seen this year. :up:

It's interesting that most of their sponsors (Airbus, GE, EADS, Air Asia) come from aviation industry...

Air Asia just happens to have bought a load of aircraft from Airbus, which are powered by GE engines. The majority shareholder for Airbus happens to be EADS.
Not that there's any coincidence there.

#55 One

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 19:50

nice nice
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This looks like proving that Caterham copied the Mclaren sidepods designed by Mike Coughlan.

#56 Jackmancer

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 21:15

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pretty pretty :love:

#57 packapoo

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:15

These are the best studio photos I've seen this year. :up:

It's interesting that most of their sponsors (Airbus, GE, EADS, Air Asia) come from aviation industry...


Glad to see it seems to have some photogenic good points, even if only in the studio.

It's FUGLY.
And appears as if they've learned Sweet Fanny Adams from last season. Onya Tony - Cyril, you've been suckered!

#58 CatInTheBag

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:03


Asked if he had seen anything of interest, James Allison responded;

“It’s a crap answer but I’ve not had time to look at any other cars but our own, bit there is one feature of the Caterham’s exhaust that I don’t think will be there when we get to Melbourne.”



#59 David Lightman

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:44

This looks like proving that Caterham copied the Mclaren sidepods designed by Mike Coughlan.

That nose brings ugliness to new levels. Urgh.

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#60 bourbon

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:14

It's kind of a mean looking nose - in a daffy duck kind of way. I'm rather digging it.

#61 Jimisgod

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:41

Uuuuuuuugly nose. Looks worse than last year.

#62 Anderis

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:32

Yeah. I quite like stepped nose, but this nose is exceptionally ugly. All in all, ugly car in fantastic livery. Strange contrast.

Here's hope that 2014 is better, both in terms of car's shapes and competitiveness. I don't think Caterham is going to do anything special this year. You can read it from what they are saying to media. 2014 is most probably their target and it is wise, it is always easier to regain the lost ground with major rule change.


#63 MirNyet

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:53

This looks like proving that Caterham copied the Mclaren sidepods designed by Mike Coughlan.


The last McLaren Coughlan lead the design on was the MP4/19A - which had squared off sidepods?

#64 One

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 13:21

The last McLaren Coughlan lead the design on was the MP4/19A - which had squared off sidepods?


http://www.carautopo...-race-track.jpg

MP4-22

#65 ApexMouse

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 16:08

Not really a surprise, but looks like it could be another year of slogging round at the back. You wonder how long fernandes will pour money into it.

#66 MirNyet

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 16:36

http://www.carautopo...-race-track.jpg

MP4-22


Coughlan by this time was sidelined and was not in charge of the design of the overall car.

#67 One

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 16:38

Coughlan by this time was sidelined and was not in charge of the design of the overall car.

Was team work afak.

#68 dau

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 17:21

Not really a surprise, but looks like it could be another year of slogging round at the back. You wonder how long fernandes will pour money into it.

Certainly looks like that at the moment, but i'll wait for the test to finish.

#69 CatInTheBag

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 17:33




Not a bad day. On the other hand, I don't have high expectations for the team this year as was described as transitional.

However, if they can get just behind (0.5-1.0s) the midfield teams and also quicker than Marussia, I'd be happy and look forward to the progress they make as "promised" by
Cyril. ...... hopefully.





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Posted 06 February 2013 - 18:43

The fact that James Rossiter can just step into the Force India, do a couple of laps and be quicker doesn't bode well. I expect another year like last half of 2012.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 19:27

Not really a surprise, but looks like it could be another year of slogging round at the back. You wonder how long fernandes will pour money into it.


Yes, and it's not like his other venture is proving profitable - QPR!

#72 One

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 19:45

Not a bad day. On the other hand, I don't have high expectations for the team this year as was described as transitional.

However, if they can get just behind (0.5-1.0s) the midfield teams and also quicker than Marussia, I'd be happy and look forward to the progress they make as "promised" by
Cyril. ...... hopefully.


A experienced driver including Senna would have brought the car higher on the time sheets.

#73 Amphicar

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 19:45

Yes, and it's not like his other venture is proving profitable - QPR!

Indeed, one of TF's teams has already been beaten by a Milton Keynes team this year and the other one soon will be!

#74 Red17

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 20:57

No surprises from VDG. But I think Pic will do better tomorrow.

#75 TheUltimateWorrier

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 21:10

Yes, and it's not like his other venture is proving profitable - QPR!

My worry with Fernandes is that he tried too much, too soon with both QPR and Caterham. Caterham expected to fight in the midfield too soon and are now resorting to the likes of vdG to pay the bills. Along with the Mittals, he bought an entire new team for QPR last summer - only now are those new players starting to gel. Not only that but last month they added two more over-hyped and over-paid players, who are estimated add another £200,000 to the wage bill. 2013 could end pretty bad for Fernandes if QPR are relegated and and Caterham finish in eleventh. :well: I hope this isn't the case.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:43

It's interesting that most of their sponsors (Airbus, GE, EADS, Air Asia) come from aviation industry...

Is it Contra (sort of in-kind sponsorship or logo placements in exchange for discounts on airline equipment)?

:|

#77 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:46

(if) QPR are relegated

Ouch!

You zany English and your nutty football system. :drunk:

Imagine that the New York Yankees could be sent to a lower league if they have very poor performance for whatever reason, it's unthinkable and remarkable that such a system exists in England.

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 07 February 2013 - 04:46.


#78 Myrvold

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:29

Ouch!

You zany English and your nutty football system. :drunk:

Imagine that the New York Yankees could be sent to a lower league if they have very poor performance for whatever reason, it's unthinkable and remarkable that such a system exists in England.


Or, it's unthinkable that one have a system like in the US. I mean, 99% of all other countries have relegation and promotion :p

#79 Talisker

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:35

Ouch!

You zany English and your nutty football system. :drunk:

Imagine that the New York Yankees could be sent to a lower league if they have very poor performance for whatever reason, it's unthinkable and remarkable that such a system exists in England.


Wikipedia describes promotion and relegation systems in key sporting competitions in these countries:

1.3.1.1 England
1.3.1.2 France
1.3.1.3 Germany
1.3.1.4 Greece
1.3.1.5 Republic of Ireland
1.3.1.6 Italy
1.3.1.7 The Netherlands
1.3.1.8 Norway
1.3.1.9 Poland
1.3.1.10 Portugal
1.3.1.11 Romania
1.3.1.12 Russia
1.3.1.13 Scotland
1.3.1.14 Spain
1.3.1.15 Turkey
1.3.1.16 Ukraine
1.3.2.1 Argentina
1.3.2.2 Bolivia
1.3.2.3 Brazil
1.3.2.4 Chile
1.3.2.5 Colombia
1.3.2.6 Ecuador
1.3.2.7 Paraguay
1.3.2.8 Peru
1.3.2.9 Uruguay
1.3.3.1 Mexico
1.3.4.1 China
1.3.4.2 Japan
1.3.4.3 Uzbekistan
1.3.4.4 Saudi Arabia
1.3.5 Africa
1.3.5.1 Egypt
1.3.5.2 Zimbabwe

So not that zany really

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#80 CatInTheBag

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:37

The fact that James Rossiter can just step into the Force India, do a couple of laps and be quicker doesn't bode well. I expect another year like last half of 2012.


To be honest, not too worried about it.


A experienced driver including Senna would have brought the car higher on the time sheets.



Highly probable. But they've made the decision. As a fan, we all bear the pain, but march on ...

#81 CatInTheBag

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:39

Is it Contra (sort of in-kind sponsorship or logo placements in exchange for discounts on airline equipment)?

:|



Highly possible. Sort of like.McGregor only if GvdG as a driver.



#82 Red17

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:58

Highly probable. But they've made the decision. As a fan, we all bear the pain, but march on ...

That's not quite how it turned out. Senna's sponsors vetoed caterham, Heiki pretty much walked out and was only considered as a Plan D of sorts when all other serious drivers turned down, Petrov refused Caterham's paycheck.... so it's not like the team really has many choices.

#83 CatInTheBag

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 13:46



They, as in "out of our hands", they.

I don't believe Petrov rejected Caterham's salary, as well as, Senna's sponsors rejected Caterham. Heikki didn't walk out as far as I know, Caterham needed pay drivers.

Stories needed to be created, as in Heikki's management came too hard on the team, etc. Its politics.






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Posted 07 February 2013 - 15:01

Is it Contra (sort of in-kind sponsorship or logo placements in exchange for discounts on airline equipment)?


No.

For example if you order a new Airbus, you have a choice of engines...

:)

#85 rayburn

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 15:40

No.

For example if you order a new Airbus, you have a choice of engines...

:)



Just like ordering a Mini then only slightly more expensive. :lol:

#86 mechadaniel

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 16:15

Just like ordering a Mini then only slightly more expensive. :lol:


Nope, because if you buy a Mini you don't get the option of a BMW or Nissan engine...

#87 One

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 21:23

That's not quite how it turned out. Senna's sponsors vetoed caterham, Heiki pretty much walked out and was only considered as a Plan D of sorts when all other serious drivers turned down, Petrov refused Caterham's paycheck.... so it's not like the team really has many choices.



HE?

Senna's sponsors voted Caterham? Why is Senna the not in Caterham? Have Senna turned his back? If so , the team has no choice here...

Heikki pretty much walked out and was only considerd as Plan D of sort... Was the relationships between Heikki and the team so bad? Could have been diplomatic?

Petrov refused Caterhams paycheck,... what was on the check? zero?



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Posted 07 February 2013 - 21:47

Senna's sponsors voted Caterham? Why is Senna the not in Caterham? Have Senna turned his back? If so , the team has no choice here...

Nah, his sponsors vetoed (rejected) not voted Caterham as Red17 said.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 21:57

Petrov refused Caterhams paycheck,... what was on the check? zero?


I don't believe it, but it was reported that he was offered 500'000 EUR

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 23:03

I don't believe it, but it was reported that he was offered 500'000 EUR


Well what is he doing now? Gardening?

Nah, his sponsors vetoed (rejected) not voted Caterham as Red17 said.


Thanx...

Edited by One, 07 February 2013 - 23:04.


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 13:12

Meanwhile, back in the real world...

Caterham Unchained - Episode 1: 2013 launch, Giedo, Charles and the CT03


And the new Ann I guess:)

#92 CatInTheBag

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 19:07



Not bad. A good and smooth day test. Parts working according to John Iley.

John Iley;
"Positive #F1 T01 in #Jerez for us. New #CT03, drivers, programs, parts & colour have gone well. An excellent start,10 days to T02 Barcelona."

#93 Red17

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 22:43

Not bad. A good and smooth day test. Parts working according to John Iley.

John Iley;
"Positive #F1 T01 in #Jerez for us. New #CT03, drivers, programs, parts & colour have gone well. An excellent start,10 days to T02 Barcelona."

Speaking of parts. The exhausts seem to have made a bit of noise (I guess even the bottom of the barrel teams have eyes on them), im curious to see what Chapter 2 brings, massive copying, mass protests, or a quiet drop.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:56

Speaking of parts. The exhausts seem to have made a bit of noise (I guess even the bottom of the barrel teams have eyes on them), im curious to see what Chapter 2 brings, massive copying, mass protests, or a quiet drop.



According to Cyril, they are trying to study how the exhaust gases flow. We shall see whether it will be permanent. It might not.

I wonder where you heard the exhaust noise from. Videos from youtube ?




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Posted 09 February 2013 - 20:51

According to Cyril, they are trying to study how the exhaust gases flow. We shall see whether it will be permanent. It might not.

I wonder where you heard the exhaust noise from. Videos from youtube ?

Not from the exhaust (it was a play with words duh!), but a certain James Allison from the dark lotus team.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:31


Pic seems very diplomatic. Interesting comments by editor Glenn Freeman.

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/105486

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 22:52

Comparison
http://twitter.com/S...5834881/photo/1

#98 tormave

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 13:56

The hated yellow wheels are gone, but otherwise it looks to be exactly the same car. At first glance it seems weird to have General Electric and EADS sponsor this underachiever team, until you think where Air Asia buys its airplanes and engines from...

#99 Red17

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 16:15

At least the team is coming clean this year. AS's latest piece on Cyril has him once again lowering the bar.

Edited by Red17, 16 February 2013 - 16:15.


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 16:38

Yea, that's a nice change from the grandiose announcements of the past. Though i still hope it really is understatement rather than just resignation.