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#1 Massa

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:52

Rory Byrne work on 2014 car.

http://motorsport.ne...-car,55703.html

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#2 Abranet

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:14

Rory Byrne work on 2014 car.

http://motorsport.ne...-car,55703.html



"We are just waiting for Newey to complain about our rear suspension," Auto Motor und Sport quoted a team insider.

The German report Said the insider is referring to the rear profile That duplicates the 2012 Red Bull - only more extremely



Interesting bit from that article. Has this been mentioned elsewhere by any technical guys?

Edited by Abranet, 02 February 2013 - 09:15.


#3 Ferrari2183

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:44

Rory Byrne work on 2014 car.

http://motorsport.ne...-car,55703.html

There have been plenty rumours about Byrne designing Ferrari's in the past but this is as solid as it gets. Straight out if the horses mouth.

He, like Newey, excels at designing winning cars when there are regulation changes. Can only be a good thing.

#4 seahawk

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:28

Rory Byrne work on 2014 car.

http://motorsport.ne...-car,55703.html

That is probably the biggest news coming out from all the car launches.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 13:17

Good Fortune! Looking forward to see more from him!?!?!!!!

#6 SpaMaster

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 13:20

Doesn't say much about the present Ferrari designers, does it? Ferrari shouln't be the on taking a dig on others complaining. They have been a great cry-baby themselves.

#7 Vesuvius

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 13:23

Byrne was also working on with F2012...didn't do much help.

#8 sheepgobba

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 13:57

Byrne was also working on with F2012...didn't do much help.


He was working on the Enzo replacement wasn't he?

#9 Sakae

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 19:28

There have been plenty rumours about Byrne designing Ferrari's in the past but this is as solid as it gets. Straight out if the horses mouth.

He, like Newey, excels at designing winning cars when there are regulation changes. Can only be a good thing.

Sounds like Alonso might need some new explanation handy in incoming season.

#10 Sakae

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 19:28

There have been plenty rumours about Byrne designing Ferrari's in the past but this is as solid as it gets. Straight out if the horses mouth.

He, like Newey, excels at designing winning cars when there are regulation changes. Can only be a good thing.

Sounds like Alonso might need some new explanation handy in incoming season.

#11 George Costanza

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 19:32

There have been plenty rumours about Byrne designing Ferrari's in the past but this is as solid as it gets. Straight out if the horses mouth.

He, like Newey, excels at designing winning cars when there are regulation changes. Can only be a good thing.



Absolutely...

I wonder, if Michael Schumacher and Ross Brawn was able to "poach" Rory from Ferrari in 2010? I bet they tried, but Rory stayed and remained at Ferrari.

Rory is better than any Mercedes GP technical team all in one.

#12 Kingshark

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 21:13

If Newey is God, than Byrne is a Titan.;)

(in mythology Titans > Gods)

#13 LiJu914

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:19

Here´s the original article

...and the specific line...

Auch der frühere Chefdesigner Rory Byrne ist da. "Ich arbeite mit Volldampf am 2014er Auto", lacht der 69-jährige Südafrikaner.



... imho implies, that Byrne wasn´t serious.

#14 jstrains

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 05:01

Byrne also says in that article: "Ein nettes Auto, aber gegen das was 2014 auf uns zukommt, ist das alles ein Kinderspiel." ---> "A nice car, but against what awaits us in 2014, it's all child's play."

Are these all technical changes we will have? Will the noses be down again?

Technical regulations

The 2014 season will see the introduction of a new engine formula, with the sport moving towards a turbocharged, 1.6 litre V6 format with an 8-speed gearbox.[1] The rules dictate the use of a ninety-degree engine bank, with fixed crankshaft axis and mounting points for the chassis, while the engines will be limited to 15,000rpm. The 2014 specification of engines must last for at least 4,000 km (2,500 mi), in comparison to the pre-2014 engines, which were required to last for just 2,000 km (1,200 mi).[42]
The Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS), first introduced in 2009, will be incorporated into the design of the engine; its function as a supplementary power source will be taken by the introduction of the Thermal Energy Recovery System (TERS).[12] The TERS unit will give drivers an additional 161 bhp (120 kW) for thirty-three seconds per lap, compared to the KERS units used prior to 2014, which gave drivers an 80 bhp (60 kW) for six seconds per lap.[42]
The 2014 regulations require the use of lower noses than in previous years, in the interests of safety. The tip of the nose would have been no more than 185mm above the ground,[43] in comparison to the 550mm allowed in 2012.[44] The original rules—first published in August 2011—also called for a variety of bodywork changes aimed at cutting downforce, most notably through the use of narrower front wings, and a shallower angle to the main plane of rear wings. These additional changes were formally abandoned in December of 2012,[45] but the requirement that cars be built with a nose no more than 185mm above the ground was retained.[46]
In order to promote fuel efficiency, cars will be required to carry no more than 100 kg (220 lb) of fuel at the start of the race, 30% less than in 2013.[42]
The position of the exhaust outlet will change so that it is now angled upwards toward the rear wing instead of downwards to face the rear diffuser so as to make the practice of using exhaust blown diffusers—passing exhaust gasses over the rear diffuser to improve the car's downforce—extremely difficult to achieve.[42]
(source wiki)

Edited by jstrains, 03 February 2013 - 05:06.


#15 elemist

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 05:06

Sounds like Alonso might need some new explanation handy in incoming season.


If they give him a decent car, he won't need any excuses.

#16 Vesuvius

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:26

If they give him a decent car, he won't need any excuses.


He has had decent car every Ferrari year, what Alonso and Ferrari are looking for is a dominant car and I don't think they will achieve it even with Byrne.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:46

He has had decent car every Ferrari year, what Alonso and Ferrari are looking for is a dominant car and I don't think they will achieve it even with Byrne.

History says otherwise.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:54

Byrne also says in that article: "Ein nettes Auto, aber gegen das was 2014 auf uns zukommt, ist das alles ein Kinderspiel." ---> "A nice car, but against what awaits us in 2014, it's all child's play."

Are these all technical changes we will have? Will the noses be down again?

Technical regulations

The 2014 season will see the introduction of a new engine formula, with the sport moving towards a turbocharged, 1.6 litre V6 format with an 8-speed gearbox.[1] The rules dictate the use of a ninety-degree engine bank, with fixed crankshaft axis and mounting points for the chassis, while the engines will be limited to 15,000rpm. The 2014 specification of engines must last for at least 4,000 km (2,500 mi), in comparison to the pre-2014 engines, which were required to last for just 2,000 km (1,200 mi).[42]
The Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS), first introduced in 2009, will be incorporated into the design of the engine; its function as a supplementary power source will be taken by the introduction of the Thermal Energy Recovery System (TERS).[12] The TERS unit will give drivers an additional 161 bhp (120 kW) for thirty-three seconds per lap, compared to the KERS units used prior to 2014, which gave drivers an 80 bhp (60 kW) for six seconds per lap.[42]
The 2014 regulations require the use of lower noses than in previous years, in the interests of safety. The tip of the nose would have been no more than 185mm above the ground,[43] in comparison to the 550mm allowed in 2012.[44] The original rules—first published in August 2011—also called for a variety of bodywork changes aimed at cutting downforce, most notably through the use of narrower front wings, and a shallower angle to the main plane of rear wings. These additional changes were formally abandoned in December of 2012,[45] but the requirement that cars be built with a nose no more than 185mm above the ground was retained.[46]
In order to promote fuel efficiency, cars will be required to carry no more than 100 kg (220 lb) of fuel at the start of the race, 30% less than in 2013.[42]
The position of the exhaust outlet will change so that it is now angled upwards toward the rear wing instead of downwards to face the rear diffuser so as to make the practice of using exhaust blown diffusers—passing exhaust gasses over the rear diffuser to improve the car's downforce—extremely difficult to achieve.[42]
(source wiki)

Don't expect any fireworks this year. They have abandoned the 2013 cars already!

#19 elemist

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:56

He has had decent car every Ferrari year, what Alonso and Ferrari are looking for is a dominant car and I don't think they will achieve it even with Byrne.



Sorry I mean't a car as fast as its rivals, or within a few tenths. 0.5+ is too much even for Fernando, although only barely.

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#20 aditya-now

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:05

If Newey is God, than Byrne is a Titan.;)

(in mythology Titans > Gods)


Byrne a God, Newey a Titan? Remember, the Gods are on the "good" side, the titans on the "evil" side....

I see engineering geniuses in them, neither Gods nor titans.

#21 caso

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:09

If Newey is God, than Byrne is a Titan.;)

(in mythology Titans > Gods)


Actually no, that is not true. According to Hesiod the Titans were defeated by the Olympians.;)



#22 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:04

Byrne has been out of the game for 6 years now. And at 69 does he still have the same energy and ability in him as he did during the 90s and 00s?

#23 F1ultimate

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:11

Byrne has been out of the game for 6 years now. And at 69 does he still have the same energy and ability in him as he did during the 90s and 00s?


Well Warren Buffert is 82 but still known how to earn a buck or two.
Hugh Hefner is 86 but can still................uhm.




#24 fabr68

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 13:18

He has had decent car every Ferrari year, what Alonso and Ferrari are looking for is a dominant car and I don't think they will achieve it even with Byrne.


How dare Alonso and Ferrari want what Vettel and Red Bull have. :p

#25 Longtimefan

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 13:46

So Alonso 2013 WDC then huh?



#26 Gintonious

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 14:01

Byrne might have been out of the game for a few years, but he is technically minded, its not like Schumacher coming back from retirement, its different from that.

Its a more academic approach, I for one am delighted he is back.

Fight fire with fire.

#27 BoschKurve

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 14:08

Byrne has been out of the game for 6 years now. And at 69 does he still have the same energy and ability in him as he did during the 90s and 00s?


I don't think his age matters. Nor could I see Ferrari bringing him back if they thought his age would be a problem.

He's been involved with the team as a consultant even in "retirement".

#28 fabr68

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 15:19

Byrne has been out of the game for 6 years now. And at 69 does he still have the same energy and ability in him as he did during the 90s and 00s?


In Formula 1 people confuse age of drivers peak speed with the age of everyone else. How old is the Formula 1 owner, boss, organizer?

Last time I checked Newey is not a teenager either.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 15:34

Didn't Byrne help the FIA come up with and write the 2014 regulations? I thought I read that somewhere a while ago?

#30 BoschKurve

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 15:39

Didn't Byrne help the FIA come up with and write the 2014 regulations? I thought I read that somewhere a while ago?


He did.

#31 SvenF1

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 17:35

How dare Alonso and Ferrari want what Vettel and Red Bull have. :p

Well, they haven't really had a dominant car at all, though you could argue about 2011. Fastest, but definitely not dominant. With better driving from Alonso or better work from Ferrari they would have won at least one if not several championships.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 20:18

He did.

he might suffer from his own vision's limitation.

#33 MirNyet

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 20:43

History says otherwise.


But does it? While no one can argue that Ferrari won a lot of championships, but was that entirely down to the design of the car? During that time Ferrari had a lot of things going in its favour:

Custom go faster tires,
Custom go faster fuel and oils,
Ross Brawns pitwall calls,
Almost perfect reliablity,
Very good No.1 and No.2 drivers,
Team orders,
FIA veto,

You could look to 2005 when the tires went away to a measure of the car design, if that was the case then things don't look quite so awesome.

While very good, Bryne is no automatic sliver bullet of victory.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 20:46

In 2003 Ferrari had a tyre disadvantage, which often made them slower than Williams, Mclaren and sometimes even Renault, yet Schumacher & Byrne still won both championships.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 21:02

This has mean that Vettel and the others have to fight future championships against Byrne and Alonso will be just a another guy who has the dominant car. :wave:

#36 Scudetto

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 21:10

he might suffer from his own vision's limitation.


Or see beyond their limitations, as Brawn did with the double diffuser when he helped to write the 2008 regulations.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 22:51

During that time Ferrari had a lot of things going in its favour:

Custom go faster tires,
Custom go faster fuel and oils,
Ross Brawns pitwall calls,
Almost perfect reliablity,
Very good No.1 and No.2 drivers,
Team orders,
FIA veto,

You could look to 2005 when the tires went away to a measure of the car design, if that was the case then things don't look quite so awesome.

Reading this makes me feel sorry for people who derive their understanding of a sport from the internet.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 23:18

Or see beyond their limitations, as Brawn did with the double diffuser when he helped to write the 2008 regulations.


Excuse me for his. It is a detail.

Brawn did not see it, it was his assistants who said what may happen. Brawn was shocked to know the implication of it if I am not mistaking the events...

Anyway, your point taken, It could work for his benefits.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 13:44

Reading this makes me feel sorry for people who derive their understanding of a sport from the internet.


Just for the record, I have been following F1 since 1991, and have watched all of the races since then, live whenever possible. I also when I can attend Goodwood's Festival of speed to look at the cars first hand and until they stopped doing it - I used to go to F1 tests at Silverstone. As someone who has been using computers for the last 31 years I may have had access to the internet for longer than most, up until a couple of years ago I used to get Autosport Magazine and get most of my F1 info from that rather than the net.

With that in mind, can we sidestep the personal attacks and perhaps comment on the details of the post?

What is it you disagree with as all of my points are widely accepted as fact. Ferrari's success during the Bryne years was down to far more than just car design. Where car design was concerned, aero wasn't its strongest point - you could argue that both Renault and McLaren had been overall aero designs than the Ferrari's - however what Bryne did that the others had to catch up on was package intergration. The Ferrari's he designed were superb mechanically and beautifully packaged - something the other teams had to catch up on - which they now have rather begging the point - what does he now bring to the table after so many years away?

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#40 Massa

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 13:57

Where car design was concerned, aero wasn't its strongest point - you could argue that both Renault and McLaren had been overall aero designs than the Ferrari's -



:rotfl:

It's why all the grid have copied Ferrari solution during that era...

#41 MirNyet

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 14:54

:rotfl:

It's why all the grid have copied Ferrari solution during that era...


Which solution would that be?