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#51 muramasa

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:00

cool

Smaller side pods... is it really an advantage? Tires dictates the frontal projection area, so the car gets globally identical resistance as the last year? IS the flow between the two tires improved by the absence of side pods in between? ...

of course advantage. otherwise we wouldnt be talking about how tight williams rear end is, how compact redbull's rear package is, how huge xxxx's undercut is, or how bulky yyy's sidepod and rear-end oh that's going to be slow, etc etc.
Everything that matters is the amount and quality of airflow at the upper diffuser. either smaller volume of sidepod, undercut, coanda exhaust, tunnel etc are all for the purpose, channeling more and cleaner air to upper diffuser. it's just that one feature isnt the sole critical factor.
It seems they could even lower the nose most likely thanks to the new sidepods, for lower cog at front to put more weight on tyres and make it work. Front instability and lack of overall performance in low-mid speed range is their major weakness last year (probably the worst of established teams in that aspect), so those changes on new car look to be to overcome it.


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#52 Massa

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:25

This car will be a beast at Monza and Spa with this tiny sidepods, and all the high speed track

Edited by Massa, 07 February 2013 - 08:25.


#53 F.M.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:28

The advantage isn't in drag, but in the amount of 'undisturbed' airflow they can get to the exhausts and the back of the car

#54 Mauseri

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:27

The advantage isn't in drag, but in the amount of 'undisturbed' airflow they can get to the exhausts and the back of the car

I think the likes of Lotus and McLaren have an edge on Sauber with the quality of air flow to the rear. Sauber and Mercedes look too bulky from the rear perspective.

The reason of wide side pods in F1 car is not only that they are necessary for cooling. They are also used to manipulate air flow around the rear.

#55 Ali_G

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:57

Are Sauber planning on having a full step cover by the start of the season. I can't see the benefit of the present nose they're running.

Must say, this car must have the narrowest sidepods in years and years.

#56 H2H

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:08

Great looking car with many interesting details. Sauber has set the trend in some areas, with teams like RBR copying elements. I find the panels along the air intake interesting, maybe to make DRD testing easier.

Edited by H2H, 07 February 2013 - 11:09.


#57 Owen

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:58

The reason why the Sauber sidepod is so slim;

Matt Somerfield ‏@SomersF1
Just as I thought Sauber have placed their radiators almost vertical but longitudinally rather than widthwise

#58 V3TT3L

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 14:22

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#59 Vesuvius

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 14:40

According to finnish commentator Oskari Saari, Sauber sounds totally different to any other car on track....it's like they have double enginenoise. He tested several times with eyes closed and everytime he knew 100% thatit was Sauber that passed over him.

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#60 button_sw

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 14:52

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Now that is what I call tight packaging!!! :eek: Well done Sauber

#61 Jackmancer

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:33

hey guys I'm wondering the following;
Where does Sauber get it's money from? On James Allan's blog I read that they have a similar budget to Lotus, but I don't understand because Sauber has no car company behind them or big sponsors. Telmex is 30 millions or something? They'll probably need 100 more.

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#62 svalgis

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:37

Sauber has no car company behind them

neither has lotus.

#63 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:39

hey guys I'm wondering the following;
Where does Sauber get it's money from? On James Allan's blog I read that they have a similar budget to Lotus, but I don't understand because Sauber has no car company behind them or big sponsors. Telmex is 30 millions or something? They'll probably need 100 more.

Perhaps BMW is still present somewhere on the background?

#64 Jackmancer

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:49

neither has lotus.


Has big sponsors with Total, Renault and Genji capital backing.

#65 peroa

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:53

hey guys I'm wondering the following;
Where does Sauber get it's money from? On James Allan's blog I read that they have a similar budget to Lotus, but I don't understand because Sauber has no car company behind them or big sponsors. Telmex is 30 millions or something? They'll probably need 100 more.

Well, Sauber has definitely a problem (but so have all other teams, except for the top 4), Telmex will probably leave at the end of 2013, they have loans in the high double figures, some say even triple.
As long as the banks keep quiet it'll be OK for now.
Very informative article here, in german though.
http://www.motorspor...-passieren.html

Edited by peroa, 10 February 2013 - 10:55.


#66 Jackmancer

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 12:19

Well, Sauber has definitely a problem (but so have all other teams, except for the top 4), Telmex will probably leave at the end of 2013, they have loans in the high double figures, some say even triple.
As long as the banks keep quiet it'll be OK for now.
Very informative article here, in german though.
http://www.motorspor...-passieren.html


Ah - thanks :) Google translate works quite well heh - it even translates Sauber: "Clean is dependent on the money from Telmex" :p

#67 race addicted

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 13:35

Scarbs on the Sauber

http://www.youtube.c...w...JVw&index=1


Interesting to hear the comments on the Sauber. Scarbs seems to believe in them.

#68 Jovanotti

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 14:41

Roger Benoit from Blick chose his personal top ten Sauber F1 drivers: http://www.blick.ch/...-id2199449.html

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 16:15

Well, Sauber has definitely a problem (but so have all other teams, except for the top 4), Telmex will probably leave at the end of 2013, they have loans in the high double figures, some say even triple.
As long as the banks keep quiet it'll be OK for now.
Very informative article here, in german though.
http://www.motorspor...-passieren.html

Telmex will only leave if Gutiérrez fails miserably. Otherwise they will be there, if Slim Jr's words are taken at face value (long term partnership, we love these guys, blah blah blah yadda yadda).

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 16:18

Saw something earlier on twitter that said that Hulkenberg had to have the heel on his shoes altered so he could fit his feel into the cockpit, that how small this thing is!

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 12:10

Saw something earlier on twitter that said that Hulkenberg had to have the heel on his shoes altered so he could fit his feel into the cockpit, that how small this thing is!

This is by far my favourite looking car of 2013!! I really hope it goes well...
Has anyone heard if all the cooling package worked at the test in Jerez?? It looks too small??

#72 F.M.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 13:01

This is by far my favourite looking car of 2013!! I really hope it goes well...
Has anyone heard if all the cooling package worked at the test in Jerez?? It looks too small??

No problems at all with cooling according to the team! (so far)

#73 F.M.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 13:06

"Lotus and Sauber left the strongest impression," the Red Bull chief said, according to Germany's Auto Motor und Sport.

"All the others are still difficult to assess," added Horner.

The German magazine's correspondent Michael Schmidt said the new grey Sauber had Nico Hulkenberg "smiling" all week as the opening test at Jerez unfolded.

"Eyewitnesses say the C32 is the best car in the field in fast corners," said Schmidt.

Swiss newspaper Blick's veteran correspondent Roger Benoit, meanwhile, quoted Hulkenberg as confiding to his Sauber colleagues: "Guys, this car goes like the devil."

http://www.gptoday.c...tus_and_Sauber/

#74 Seanspeed

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 18:18

As great as the car looks, after watching some video of it in testing, its sometimes hard to make it out. From certain angles and certain light, it can be hard to distinguish it from the Williams or the Mercedes.

#75 DS27

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 18:51

So happy for Hulkenberg that the car looks quick.

#76 shonguiz

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 21:48

Don't get your hopes too high, the C31 and C30 were also dubbed one of the best cars after the initial tests, and they were. But as soon as the developpement machine of the big teams started to operate, the cars lost a lor of their relative excellency.

#77 Atic Atac

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 22:56

Guys, i was watching the Jerez tests and i have to say that the sauber impresed me. It looked planted, good under braking and the back was pretty neat under acceleration.

I know it will be overdeveloped by the big names, but i wouldn´t be surprised if it does a good job in the first races.

btw, the colours doesn´t do justice to the car in the circuit. Just too sober compared to the rest of the field.

#78 halifaxf1fan

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 23:59

Roger Benoit from Blick chose his personal top ten Sauber F1 drivers: http://www.blick.ch/...-id2199449.html


Impressive group of drivers.

The new car looks great, maybe this is Sauber's year to break through.

#79 charly0418

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:30

Don't get your hopes too high, the C31 and C30 were also dubbed one of the best cars after the initial tests, and they were. But as soon as the developpement machine of the big teams started to operate, the cars lost a lor of their relative excellency.


Yep, car is always crap at the end of the season

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 06:37

Yep, car is always crap at the end of the season

I really wish someone would come and give Sauber some cash to fight the big teams!! Remember they nearly won the World Championship when BMW came to help....

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 07:32

I hope Hulkenberg has the car to take on because he clearly showed he was able to last year, especially in the last race. I think he would have won Brazil if not for the stupid safety car, that completely ruined his chances of a win.

This car looks excellent.

Comeon Nico!

#82 SCEPurple

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:07

I hope Hulkenberg has the car to take on because he clearly showed he was able to last year, especially in the last race. I think he would have won Brazil if not for the stupid safety car, that completely ruined his chances of a win.

This car looks excellent.

Comeon Nico!


Think you'll find he ran out of talent in turn 1 and ruined his own race.

Plus his face is annoying and sense of humour is poor.

#83 midgrid

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:20

Don't get your hopes too high, the C31 and C30 were also dubbed one of the best cars after the initial tests, and they were. But as soon as the developpement machine of the big teams started to operate, the cars lost a lor of their relative excellency.


This isn't always the case, though - in 1995, 2004 and 2010 the car was clearly better at the end of the year, and in most other years there has not been a significant drop-off in performance.


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:23

Think you'll find he ran out of talent in turn 1 and ruined his own race.

Plus his face is annoying and sense of humour is poor.

:rolleyes:

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:30

I really wish someone would come and give Sauber some cash to fight the big teams!! Remember they nearly won the World Championship when BMW came to help....

I'd rather see Sauber fall behind during the season than again seeing them hanging in the ropes after their manufacturer partner decides to call it a day. We were so close to losing them.

Car seems to be working good so far, everyone's impressed by the speed and no reliability problems yet. Maybe some more Sauber podiums this year. Though i have to say that while i do wish them to do well, i will always have to think that this could've been Kobayashi's car.

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#86 Sin

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:41

:clap: Sauber is just the coolest team..... (cause they always respond to me on youtube and retweeted me & because they got 2 cool drivers & a cool car) so I wish them a greeeaaaat season :D and FUN :D

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:13

Think you'll find he ran out of talent in turn 1 and ruined his own race.

Plus his face is annoying and sense of humour is poor.


Got it. Now I know how Seb is a three time WDC :rolleyes:

#88 Sin

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:18

.... I just noticed Sauber C32 is the half of Sauber C64 :clap: ..... THATS AWESOME

SID Rocks

It really does

Edited by Sin, 13 February 2013 - 11:21.


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 13:33

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 15:35

Cool pic :up: I never realised just how much higher their feet are than their arse.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 16:37

They must seriously work on their butt muscles, imagine what they feel after hitting a bump. Aouch.

#92 goingthedistance

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 17:07

Really excited to see how well Sauber and Nico can go this year. One of favourite drivers and probably my favourite teams. I love that they've gone with an aggressive car design, it'll be integral for them to try and get some early good results in the Asian fly-aways, as they don't tend to be able to keep up development.

#93 Renatus1974

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 16:35

Looks like Sauber are playing with some additional air inlets either side of the roll hoop - possible DRS inlets?

<img src="http://cdn.sauberf1t...983b67319.jpg">

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 16:41

They must seriously work on their butt muscles, imagine what they feel after hitting a bump. Aouch.



Petrov at Malaysia in 2011 or Webber in 2010 with his looping... Very impressive to walk away like that

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 16:54

Looks like Sauber are playing with some additional air inlets either side of the roll hoop - possible DRS inlets?

<img src="http://cdn.sauberf1t...983b67319.jpg">


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#96 DS27

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 17:51

Plus his face is annoying and sense of humour is poor.


Something I am sure you can relate to and sympathise with...

#97 ApexMouse

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 17:52

The car hasn't really been pushing out any great laptimes. Admit I'm a little concerned.

#98 Sin

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 18:05

The car hasn't really been pushing out any great laptimes. Admit I'm a little concerned.


agreed :cry: but..... we will see

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 00:48

Something I am sure you can relate to and sympathise with...


No sir, not me!

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#100 Renatus1974

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:25

Good to see some more competative times from the Sauber now! Go Nico !