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#101 Sin

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:31

that was a great lap, especially considering Nico got a cold :clap: :clap: :clap:

I today saw a woman who had a jacket in Sauber colours it was not an Official Sauber jacket but I totally wanted to have it xD

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#102 jrg19

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:37

https://pbs.twimg.co...A_qYf.jpg:large

Surprised to see such a clear photo of the DRD.

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#103 Mousey

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 17:28

Good to see some more competative times from the Sauber now! Go Nico !

Looks like the high fuel runs were also good this afternoon!! :)

#104 kNt

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:22

Anybody saw any upgrades to the car besides the DRD?

#105 F1ultimate

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 17:20

http://www.f1fanatic...barc-2013-3.jpg :love:

The livery is simply sublime. I'm banking on the car being a strong mid-field contender like last year.

#106 300KPh

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 18:59

does anyone agree with me on this ? the car looks beautiful in still shots and studio pics but in the actual footage on track it doesn't appear anything like that

#107 V3TT3L

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 07:21

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#108 charly0418

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 18:01

does anyone agree with me on this ? the car looks beautiful in still shots and studio pics but in the actual footage on track it doesn't appear anything like that


From what Hulkenber has said, the car will be very competitive in specific tracks like Barcelona, Suzuka and Silverstone. And it looks like it'll be crap again on tracks like Hungary, Singapore and Korea.

#109 Beamer

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 18:27

Think you'll find he ran out of talent in turn 1 and ruined his own race.

Plus his face is annoying and sense of humour is poor.

Adding a new level of maturity to this forum?

#110 Sin

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 00:24



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#111 FernuttonHulkkonen

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:07

From what Hulkenber has said, the car will be very competitive in specific tracks like Barcelona, Suzuka and Silverstone. And it looks like it'll be crap again on tracks like Hungary, Singapore and Korea.


can you please say where did he say that?

I'm not doubting you, I just would like to see what more he said about it

#112 Harry

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:43

Think you'll find he ran out of talent in turn 1 and ruined his own race.

Plus his face is annoying and sense of humour is poor.

:rotfl:

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#113 Richard T

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:36

Gutted for Nico :(

#114 mich

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 13:21

Hulk shouldn't move, stay Force India...
C31 was pretty better but C32 is not. On the other hand VJM05 is very competitive and enough to challenge top teams.
And I've never seen the car not starting by mechanical trouble since America 2005.
How many points did Kobayashi lose because of the easy mistakes or poor strategies of this team and does Hulk this year?

#115 alfa1

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 16:19


Any details on what this vaguely stated "fuel system" problem was?


#116 midgrid

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 17:04

Gutiérrez was uninspiring this weekend (although he deserves credit for finishing at least), but it was an extremely difficult situation in which to make an F1 début, so we should reserve judgement until he drives at a circuit on which he has previous experience, or has a weekend which isn't compromised by mixed weather conditions.

Hopefully the car should be more competitive at Sepang, and Hülkenberg will have some good luck to make up for this weekend. A shame that Force India has already bagged a decent haul of points, but it should be a close fight between these two teams in particular, especially once Gutiérrez gets fully up to speed.

#117 midgrid

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 17:05

Any details on what this vaguely stated "fuel system" problem was?


I would guess some sort of a leak, the source of which couldn't be identified in time, as Kaltenborn specified that the withdrawal was made on safety grounds (i.e. fire risk).

#118 Collective

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 17:14

I feel Sauber constantly gets a free pass from the press. I mean, look at the crappy strategies last year, and the incredibly awful decision in Q2 in both Germany and Silverstone where the car was strong. Somehow, even after that, the press would always come up with a story on the lines of "the drivers are at fault" ... especially Sauber's official spokesperson Roger Benoit.

Now that Hulkenberg is on board as a highly rated driver, and that they committed a massive screw up here, I hope to see balanced criticism.

About Esteban, hard to tell. He had pace, but only 3 or 4 laps after changing tyres. After his second stop he was losing 4 seconds to Bottas in the first few laps (even lost that position on track), and then eventually he caught up, being much faster than the Williams. Hard to tell what was that about without Nico as reference. Really hope the car doesn't take that long to bring them up to decent temperature.

#119 seahawk

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 17:41

Beating Force India will be very hard this year.

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#120 kNt

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 17:53

http://www.blick.ch/...-id2240608.html

Apparently there must have even been a crack in the fuel tank (not just a hole), they need to send the chassis back to switzerland and get another one as a reserve to Malaysia.

#121 V3TT3L

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 17:58

:rolleyes: A new record ?

Hulk racing Melbourne for 3 years already and no laps completed.

#122 Sin

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 18:01

the sad thing was that 10 Min before his DNS he said to german TV that his goal for this GP is to driver more than one lap... that would already be alot more than he ever did before...

I was sad the whole GP as he did not start....

Malaysia will be better I'm sure of that....

#123 midgrid

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 20:22

Well, qualifying wasn't great, but after reading that both drivers were on used tyres (due to the team's radar not working) before the rain fell, I'm slightly more optimistic. Still worried that this will be a much leaner year than 2012, though.

#124 DanardiF1

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 20:26

I think Sauber are in a similar position to McLaren in that they've redesigned a lot of their car for this year hoping to find more speed in a fresh design. They'll have to grit their teeth and get through these initial races where the predominantly-evolutionary cars do well. You only have to look at how similar the Force India is to last year's model to see that they might potentially run out of development avenues for it later in the season.

Sauber have a good base to improve, and they've got a fantastic driver in Hulkenberg to grab some big points. Gutierrez has fairly low expectations at first and I think the odd points finish should be considered good progress.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 00:36

i dont buy these "evolutionary cars will run out of development" redbull and ferrari know what they are doing and they will find improvements untill the last race and they have evolutionary cars

#126 Collective

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 16:33

Heroic stuff from Hulkenberg today.

Esteban was in route for his 1st point, but they decided to try a 3 stop strategy that involved ~30 laps on a set of mediums instead of covering for Vergne and Bottas. Typical retarded Sauber strategy. He also lost a lot of positions in the start, which didn't help.

#127 Sin

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 16:36

welll if there wasn't that RB drama.... this day would be great.. .I'm so happy for Sauber who are my favorite team :o Hülk did so well.... they are not as good as last year.... but .... Hülkenberg is doing really good and Gutierrez isn't doing TOO bad either

Edited by Sin, 24 March 2013 - 16:47.


#128 midgrid

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 16:53

Decent result, but the team profited from McLaren and Force India's misfortune. Quite a lot of work to do, but at least Hülkenberg has settled in nicely and Gutiérrez is proving sensible and decently quick, with hopefully more to come when he has built up some more experience.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 20:41

Did anyone catch what/why Hulk was pissed off after the race on the cool down lap?

Hulk says:

Thanks guys. I can't tell you... I don't know where to start with so many things to improve. I don't have to explain about the radio I think, that is unacceptable. Unbelievable.

Race Engineer: Ok we debrief after



I wasn't following him much this GP, does anyone know what transpired to make him this angry?

#130 Sin

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 20:42

where did he say that any link to a vid of it?

#131 CrucialXtreme

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 21:20

where did he say that any link to a vid of it?


He said this on Pit Radio. Please check PM.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 21:27

Hmm, tantrum from Hülkenberg! It will feel all the more annoying to him because the Force India has been so fast these two races.
He said pre-season that the car was "amazing" if memory serves, in high-speed corners, but that hasn't seemed too evident this weekend. Perhaps the car get's unsettled when there are direction changes in high speed. I mean, one thing is T3 on CdC, quite another is T5-6 on Sepang Int.

#133 Sin

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 21:48

I feel he was talking about the tyre degradation.... comparing to his earlier radios

#134 midgrid

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 22:32

Nico Hulkenberg: "I feel quite well rewarded going home with four points after my first race of the season in a new team and with a new car. I am quite happy with how it went, especially at the start of the race when we were quite quick on the intermediates. But then I was stuck in traffic and couldn't find my way past other drivers. I think eighth was well deserved, considering I had to fight and push a lot today. I think the potential is there, and now we have to work on a few details."

Monisha Kaltenborn: "We are happy about this result, because we had an unexpected difficult weekend. However, we were able to improve step by step. We now have a better understanding of those areas in which we have to improve. This will help us to exploit the full potential of the car."


Not many clues after going through the PR filter...

#135 CrucialXtreme

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 23:07

Hmm, tantrum from Hülkenberg! It will feel all the more annoying to him because the Force India has been so fast these two races.
He said pre-season that the car was "amazing" if memory serves, in high-speed corners, but that hasn't seemed too evident this weekend. Perhaps the car get's unsettled when there are direction changes in high speed. I mean, one thing is T3 on CdC, quite another is T5-6 on Sepang Int.


I think it's definitely annoying him but there was definitely something to his comments. Monisha mentioned some sort of trouble but didn't elaborate. Hopefully something will surface as to the issues he was complaining about.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 23:16

Great perfomance by Hulk, I feel he was the most impressive driver of the race.

#137 Collective

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 02:39

I think it's definitely annoying him but there was definitely something to his comments. Monisha mentioned some sort of trouble but didn't elaborate. Hopefully something will surface as to the issues he was complaining about.

That makes it two pissed drivers after the race. Esteban's dialogue after finishing:

- Why didn't we pit? I though we were planning to. I was pushing for pit again"
- We'll discuss later, we have a different opinion here.

Since they indeed needed the 4th stop, Esteban would be right in that they should have stopped when they had a cushion to Vergné and Bottas. Would have exited behind, but not a big gap plus fresh tyres.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 02:42

yep, Esteban had 10th assured had he stopped again. My guess on who messed up? Monisha for sure

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 03:33

Did anyone catch what/why Hulk was pissed off after the race on the cool down lap?

Hulk says:

Thanks guys. I can't tell you... I don't know where to start with so many things to improve. I don't have to explain about the radio I think, that is unacceptable. Unbelievable.

Race Engineer: Ok we debrief after



I wasn't following him much this GP, does anyone know what transpired to make him this angry?

I saw that, hopefully some jurno asks regarding it in next race weekend. I Felt it was not about tyre deg, may be related to stratergy/pit stop calls!!

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 10:07

yep, Esteban had 10th assured had he stopped again. My guess on who messed up? Monisha for sure

She's not doing the strategy. Taking into account Sauber's brilliant strategy calls in the past, they obviously leave those decisions up to a coin toss or something.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 15:26

I saw that, hopefully some jurno asks regarding it in next race weekend. I Felt it was not about tyre deg, may be related to stratergy/pit stop calls!!


I hope so, I'm really interested to know what this comment was about. However I'm afraid it will be forgotten in three weeks time. :(

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 08:56

I hope so, I'm really interested to know what this comment was about. However I'm afraid it will be forgotten in three weeks time. :(


http://www.f1zone.ne...lkenberg/18326/

According to German-language sources Blick (Switzerland) and Auto Motor und Sport (Germany), however, Hulkenberg told his team after crossing the line that the result was “unacceptable”.

“Thank you guys,” he is quoted as having said by radio, “but we have to improve in many areas. This is not acceptable.”

Blick quotes the 25-year-old as adding: “When I go at the speed of Ferrari, Lotus and McLaren, I quickly ruin the tyres.

“Now we have a lot of data and impressions and I hope we can draw the right conclusions.”

Auto Motor und Sport quotes Hulkenberg as saying: “There are still some areas where there are gaps. The car does not fit me like a shoe.”



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Posted 11 April 2013 - 15:57

need to put some more Sauber love in here since you people write too few stuff about them :D they are the bestest and I'll be cheering for them :clap:



and here their new Ask the Driver video which I really love :D

#144 charly0418

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 16:04

As a Checo fan I absolutely hated when Sauber put all the pressure on Sergio (Monaco for example) and the kid couldnt say anything back as he was just a kid with no F1 experience. However with Hulk I'm glad he's being an aggresive leader with the team and talking strong to the team, maybe Monisha will get a clue and start listening to his drivers.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 16:30

...they obviously leave those decisions up to a coin toss or something.


This.

Seemed like Kobayashi always had the worst strategy during the races he was in. Sauber seems to be generally just shooting in the dark on strategy. Sometimes they nail it, with Checo's brilliant races for example, sometimes they languish back in 17th.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 17:17

This.

Seemed like Kobayashi always had the worst strategy during the races he was in. Sauber seems to be generally just shooting in the dark on strategy. Sometimes they nail it, with Checo's brilliant races for example, sometimes they languish back in 17th.


Like a true mediocre team, they always split strategies with the drivers (with the tyre saving one almost always assigned to Perez), seems like they're scared of going with one for both drivers

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 18:12

Like a true mediocre team, they always split strategies with the drivers (with the tyre saving one almost always assigned to Perez), seems like they're scared of going with one for both drivers

I haven't payed close enough attention to say if this is definitely true or not, but if it is, I wonder if its just a calculated risk they take for the team's sake? When you're in the midfield and ranging from 6th to 14th or so, points aren't always a 'gimme' in any given race weekend. But if you can ensure that at least ONE driver gets a good finishing position, it could benefit in the long run. For instance:

A single 8th place is better than a 9th and 10th place combined(4 vs 3).

A single 7th place finish is equal to an 8th and 9th place combined(6 vs 6). It is better than an 8th and 10th place finishes(6 vs 5). It is also TWICE as good as a 9th and 10th place finish(6 vs 3).

A single 6th place finish is equal to a 7th and a 9th place finish combined(8 vs 8).

So really, for the team in the midfield, this sort of splitting of strategies might actually make a good bit of sense.

Edited by Seanspeed, 11 April 2013 - 18:14.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:44

What an absolutely atrocious strategy! I'm sure that Hülkenberg could have beaten Button, or at least finished close behind him, if the team had mirrored his and Vettel's strategy. Instead, he finishes a minute off the lead, losing more points to Force India. Ridiculous! :mad:

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:46

What an absolutely atrocious strategy! I'm sure that Hülkenberg could have beaten Button, or at least finished close behind him, if the team had mirrored his and Vettel's strategy. Instead, he finishes a minute off the lead, losing more points to Force India. Ridiculous! :mad:

Typical Sauber strategy. Toro Rosso got a P7 too. Freaking disaster.

Hulk still put up a decent fight.

Esteban? Really stupid rookie mistake. Fantastic first couple of laps, from 17 to 11, but what for? Hope Monisha slaps his head into place.

Edited by Collective, 14 April 2013 - 08:47.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 09:35

What an absolutely atrocious strategy! I'm sure that Hülkenberg could have beaten Button, or at least finished close behind him, if the team had mirrored his and Vettel's strategy. Instead, he finishes a minute off the lead, losing more points to Force India. Ridiculous! :mad:


Hulk understood how Kobayashi felt on this team last year.
I've seen same situations for 3 years; too slow pitstops, rubbish strategies and no points.
Hulk shouldn't move to Sauber, it's possible that he is in a same way as Kobayashi - loses his seat in F1.