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#51 PayasYouRace

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 18:49

It looks spectacular in the flesh. That red is super day-glo. :cool:

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#52 Lotusseven

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:33

It looks cheap and slow in my opinion. I hope I am wrong.


I hope you´re right.


#53 Jimisgod

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:38

I like it. It looks like an Indy car, and those cars look pretty nice nowadays.

Not quite as good as the Sauber, but miles better than the boxy RBR.

#54 4ren

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 16:02

They are now using a slimmer bodywork:
http://www.f1fanatic...tures/img_0511/

#55 300KPh

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 16:09

i can bet my house on marussia quitting on the end of 2013 . the lack of sponsors is beyond belief for a an F1 team and the cheap cosworth engines is gone and they have to pay for the new expensive engines(if did find a supplier to sell them one). a new owner can rescue them though

#56 Myrvold

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 16:34

i can bet my house on marussia quitting on the end of 2013 . the lack of sponsors is beyond belief for a an F1 team and the cheap cosworth engines is gone and they have to pay for the new expensive engines(if did find a supplier to sell them one). a new owner can rescue them though


Big house? I might wanna take up that bet!  ;)

#57 Gintonious

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 16:36

They are on the look out for a new engine contract for 2014, maybe Ferrari if they can have a solid year?

#58 Francesc

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:33

Big step forward from Marussia. First time ever they finish a race without a SC only a lap behind I believe.

And with Bianchi they've a great driver. Best rookie of the day for me. Chilton looks on Inoue's level.

#59 Viryfan

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:46

Big step forward from Marussia. First time ever they finish a race without a SC only a lap behind I believe.

And with Bianchi they've a great driver. Best rookie of the day for me. Chilton looks on Inoue's level.


Bianchi is a top lad.

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#60 joshb

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:17

Bianchi, unnoticed, drove a blinder, kept Bottas not too far behind until he lost lots of time in the final stop.
Chilton will have his hands full trying to keep up.

#61 SpartanChas

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:23

Wow, did not expect Chilton to be that much slower than Bianchi. At least he did overtake VDG in the end.

#62 Petroltorque

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:40

Their race pace is at the back of the midfield. It's now down to development to close the gap further. Bianchi looks devastatingly quick. If Chilton continues to circulate 1s slower than his team mate, he'll quickly become irrelevant as all setup and development will default to the much quicker driver.

#63 F1ultimate

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:46

Impressive result for Bianchi. He really performed well. This season will make for an interesting spectacle at the back of the grid.

#64 Wingcommander

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 11:07

A very promising weekend for the team. Signing Bianchi seems to have been a real win for the team. He brings money and is also very quick, i'd say (without any facts) quicker than Glock. He really had the measure of the Caterhams this weekend, and the gap to the midfield didnt seem to be that big in the first half of the race. Chilton was a bit underwhelming, but i'm not ready to judge him yet. His qualifying (like Bianchi's) was ruined by Gutierrez's crash and in the race he had to change his front wing, which then dropped him behind van der Garde where he spent most of his race. After getting ahead of VDG he was setting pretty good laptimes. I'm expecting him to improve quite a lot during the season.

#65 wj_gibson

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:09

Would love to see Bianchi squeeze a point or two out of this year.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:13

Symonds and Bianchi are probably the best two "things" to have happened to Marussia!
Positively surprised by Bianchi! :up:

#67 IamFasterthanU

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:28

Fastest lap time for Bianchi: 1:30:454...just 1.2 sec shy of fastest lap in the race 1.7 sec faster than Chilton. This is just amazing.

#68 Ravenak

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:30

This is the kind of excellent driver who brings a lot to a little team, but will be ripped off them by a bigger team very quickly :)

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:34

Fastest lap time for Bianchi: 1:30:454...just 1.2 sec shy of fastest lap in the race 1.7 sec faster than Chilton. This is just amazing.


and apparently only 0.045 slower than Vettel's fastest lap!

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:35

Fastest lap time for Bianchi: 1:30:454...just 1.2 sec shy of fastest lap in the race 1.7 sec faster than Chilton. This is just amazing.


It is amazing what fresh tyres and an empty tank can do.

#71 lambylamby

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:51

Right now I am beaming side to side, Marussia deserved this kind of fortune in 2010. It's a bittersweet race as I am a Glock fan, but here's hoping he comes back.... Imagine a Glock and Bianchi pairing.....

Also a nice big up yours to Judas 'Pic'.

Edited by lambylamby, 17 March 2013 - 12:51.


#72 race addicted

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:53

It is amazing what fresh tyres and an empty tank can do.


Precisely. He did finish one lap down, 61.5 secs behind Bottas.

#73 IamFasterthanU

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 13:06

He lost lot of time during his last pit stop...probably 5 tenth or so slower than Bottas per lap on an average. The good thing is that they have the pace to cash on somebody else's misfortune. Give the guys some credit they have almost 1/5th William's budget (and 1/2 of caterhams budget).

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 13:19

This is the kind of excellent driver who brings a lot to a little team, but will be ripped off them by a bigger team very quickly :)

I'm sure Marussia won't mind too much, if they can finish ahead of Caterham this year and get some Ferrari engines next year :) .

#75 FordFan

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 13:47

How much different from last year at this time. Sadly, their budget means limited development, but Bianchi looks a real star. Chiton lost a wing, which explains a lot of the gap. Once he got by VDG, he put 20 seconds on him in 10 laps.

They're a real team now. Just slow, not embarrassing.

#76 Petroltorque

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 15:32

I'm sure Marussia won't mind too much, if they can finish ahead of Caterham this year and get some Ferrari engines next year :) .

I don't think Ferrari engines will be asset. Their turbo technology was woeful in the past. If Marussia can get the funding, a Merc supply would be best. The car looks nailed to the road, which suggests a solid platform. What they need to find now is downforce and the lap performance will follow.

#77 lambylamby

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 16:13

I don't think Ferrari engines will be asset. Their turbo technology was woeful in the past. If Marussia can get the funding, a Merc supply would be best. The car looks nailed to the road, which suggests a solid platform. What they need to find now is downforce and the lap performance will follow.



And the platform it's built from looks like a masterclass from Symonds, I remember Anderson saying similar things on a bbc pre season test review, that the car is basic but is a great platform to build upon.

#78 Fastcake

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 16:27

Marussia are certainly ahead of Caterham this year, good job by Bianchi today. I just worry about their resources though, I would love it if they could approach the lower midfield but there's still a significant gap.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 16:30

That was a very good race from Marussia. Perhaps Bianchi will be able to trouble the lower midfield on occasion later this year, particularly with Williams struggling so badly at the moment?

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#80 midgrid

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 20:39

I should also mention that I was sceptical about how Bianchi would perform in the F1 environment following his often erratic form in GP2 and FR3.5, but he really impressed me this weekend, so I shall have to eat my words!

#81 Longtimefan

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 20:53

Chilton looks seriously out of his depth.

I hope he can turn it around.


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 21:39

How much different from last year at this time. Sadly, their budget means limited development, but Bianchi looks a real star. Chiton lost a wing, which explains a lot of the gap. Once he got by VDG, he put 20 seconds on him in 10 laps.


Chilton's problem in GP2 wasn't basic speed. It was just he often couldn't pull off a pass to save his life even in an obviously faster car and was also far too easy to pass himself. No racecraft at all.


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 22:19

binachi looks like the next big thing in F1 or is max chilton that slow ?

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 22:23

Excellent end to the first race. Very fine result for the team. The car looked actually good when it lined up. Massive effort to fit KERS and manage it running, racing in a difficult condition. I think their tenth position is solid. But it just the beginning of the long season. I hope they will make it up. Hunting down the likes of Williams are incredible step forward.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 08:22

Sepang on Friday will show us just how much progress they've made. High temperatures, abrasive circuit and an emphasis on aero efficiency will tell the real pecking order.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 09:00

and apparently only 0.045 slower than Vettel's fastest lap!

:rotfl: Impressive! :up:
Bianchi drove a great race. I'm not sure if Marussia will be able to catch the midfield, but there's still a long way to go in this season yet. It's looking very promising for them! :)

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:25

binachi looks like the next big thing in F1 or is max chilton that slow ?

Bianchi has been driving F1 cars since 2009, he has much more experience. Chilton is obviously not on his level, but he shouldn't be THAT much slower.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:40

Chilton looks seriously out of his depth.

I hope he can turn it around.

Seriously out of his depth? I didn't think so, he beat van der Garde handily - once he got past, which, as billm99uk suggests, is down to poor racecraft (he blamed waved blues getting in the way).

Wasn't expecting much from Chilton, but he didn't disgrace himself. Especially when considering other more touted talents from the past - Modena who gave up on his debut, Bartels and Moreno who DNQ'd for Lotus...

#89 Viryfan

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 15:55

Strategy by Marussia for Bianchi was just awful.

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Jules may have done an even better race if he stopped earlier for his 1st stop and 3rd stop.

Edited by Viryfan, 18 March 2013 - 15:58.


#90 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 16:07

Their best chance of points will probably come in a crazy race, such as a race with a sudden downpour with 6-10 cars retiring over the course of the race or 1 with a big crash knocking out a good number of cars in 1 go.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 22:15

Sepang on Friday will show us just how much progress they've made. High temperatures, abrasive circuit and an emphasis on aero efficiency will tell the real pecking order.


I would think Sepang's straights would be an advantage for them. They don't have the Coanda exhaust, which hurts them with downforce in high speed turns, but gives them more power. And they don't need the downforce on the straight.

#92 PayasYouRace

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 23:27

The team's performance impressed me in Melbourne. I'm intrigued as to how they'll handle Caterham for the rest of the year.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 23:41

Seriously out of his depth? I didn't think so, he beat van der Garde handily - once he got past, which, as billm99uk suggests, is down to poor racecraft (he blamed waved blues getting in the way).


Perils of too much money, I s'pose. Temptation is to move up if you can afford it, rather than acquire the required skills first. Really think he should have had another year in GP2 at least. But he's not actually slow. Stick him at the front of the grid in a good car and he can drive away. It's when he actually has to pass people on track that he's in trouble. Way too cautious!


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 04:29

First run in the main event, I wouldn't toss him out with the bath water yet. Early days; just keep coming home in front of those green and yellow pretenders.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:08

I would think Sepang's straights would be an advantage for them. They don't have the Coanda exhaust, which hurts them with downforce in high speed turns, but gives them more power. And they don't need the downforce on the straight.

Every car on the grid runs either Coanda or Downwash exhausts as it's a performance differentiator.

Edited by Petroltorque, 19 March 2013 - 13:09.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:40

The team's performance impressed me in Melbourne. I'm intrigued as to how they'll handle Caterham for the rest of the year.


Seconded. Though they are at the back of the grid, it may accumulate momentum to keep the position as is.

Bianchi was good, I thought, but what happened? he did not end at one position higher?

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:43

Does anyone know if there is a significant power deficit with the Cossie?

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:29

There is nothing proven, but pic said that the main difference from Marussia to Caterham was power. If its enough to feel then theres probably a difference.

The Cossie in 2006 was one of the highest revving units. Ferrari lost 40hp (5%ish) of power when they reduced from 19k to 18k revs for 09, therefore you'd assume the cosworth would have lost more than that on it's re-introduction, assuming the power curves are similar. Short answer, we dont know but most people believe so.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:56

There is nothing proven, but pic said that the main difference from Marussia to Caterham was power. If its enough to feel then theres probably a difference.

The Cossie in 2006 was one of the highest revving units. Ferrari lost 40hp (5%ish) of power when they reduced from 19k to 18k revs for 09, therefore you'd assume the cosworth would have lost more than that on it's re-introduction, assuming the power curves are similar. Short answer, we dont know but most people believe so.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 19:01

There is nothing proven, but pic said that the main difference from Marussia to Caterham was power. If its enough to feel then theres probably a difference.

The Cossie in 2006 was one of the highest revving units. Ferrari lost 40hp (5%ish) of power when they reduced from 19k to 18k revs for 09, therefore you'd assume the cosworth would have lost more than that on it's re-introduction, assuming the power curves are similar. Short answer, we dont know but most people believe so.

What Pic said the difference between the Caterham and Marussia was KERS. Personally I think the cosworth is the more powerful engine. Where Renault benefits is driveability and fuel economy.