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#1 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 23:19

There does not seem to be thread for this important meeting. so I will start one!
I have just read that Alfie Constanzo is back! In a ex Niel Allan/ KB M10B owned by [who else] Alan Hamilton. I am sure he will have some fun, and keep some of the slower T332s very honest.
It seems again there will be full fields in most categorys and a Race for Big Banger Sports Cars as a headline. It will be interesting to see how they go.
I was not going to go but am reconsidering, I enjoyed it immensley last year, except for getting off the Island Sunday arvo. Have to find a camp site, that may be a challenge!

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#2 Peter Brennan

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:42

Camping available at the track for the first time. Pete

#3 Peter Brennan

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:48

BTW, Sports car entry list.
1 Toluca Lake Historics Lilo Ben Zicron USA Lola T160 Spyder 1968 7070cc
2 Frank Lyons Racing Frank Lyons UK Lola T70 Cpe 1969 5700cc
3 Phil Verwoert Phil Verwoert Vic Graduate 1972 5000cc
4 Bill Hemming Bill Hemming Vic Elfin 400 1966 4400cc
5 Omnium Ventures SA Abba Kogan UK Matra Simca MS 670B/C 1974 2999cc
6 Rover Coaches Aaron Lewis NSW Lola T 163 1969 8000cc
7 Peter Schleifer Peter Schleifer De Lola T310 1972 8413cc
8 JCB Excavators Limited Andrew Newall UK McLaren M8F 1971 8800cc
9 IBC Holdings Rob Tweedie NSW Elfin MS7 1974 5000cc
10 Omnium Ventures SA Rob Hall UK Matra Simca MS 670B/C 1974 2999cc
11 Jay Bondini Michael Gibson Vic Rennmax Repco 1972 3000cc
12 Russell Kempnich Russell Kempnich Qld Porsche 956c 1984 2850ccT
16 Cowdrey Racing Dan Cowdrey USA Lola T70 Spyder 1966 5702cc
17 A C D’Augustine A C D’Augustine USA Genie MK10 1969 5700cc
18 Peter Harburg Wayne Park UK Porsche 962 1987 2850ccT
19 Jay Bondini Jay Bondini Vic ARGO JM19C Cpe 1987 3900cc
20 Scott Drnek Greg Mitchell USA Lola T 163 1968 6000cc
21 Teknoauto Steve Webb NSW Elfin 360 Repco 1970 3498cc
22 Scott Drnek Scott Drnek USA Sting 1974 9000cc
23 Toluca Lake Historics Bert Skidmore USA McLaren M6B 1968 5700cc
24 Ian Ross Ian Ross NSW MRC Repco 1968 6500cc
25 Cowdrey Racing Norm Cowdrey USA McKee MK10 1967 6718cc
26 Jeff Dutton Spencer Martin Vic Ford GT 40 1966 5375cc
27 Frank Lyons Racing Michael Lyons UK March 717 1973 8800cc
28 Harry Read Harry Read De McLaren M8C 1970 8800cc
29 MacKellar Mining Duncan MacKellar Qld McLaren M8E 1971 8100cc
30 Ian Clements Ian Clements NZ Lola T332C 1979 5000cc
31 Max Warwick Luke Warwick Vic McLaren M1A 1965 4700cc
32 Andrew Kluvver Andrew Kluvver NSW Lola T332C 1979 5000cc
41 Toluca Lake Historics Barry Blackmore USA Lola T163 Spyder 1968 7095cc
48 Andrew Boone Andy Boone USA McLeagle 1968 7540cc
56 Peter Brennan Peter Brennan Vic Elfin Traco Chev 1966 4998cc
65 Laurie Bennett Laurie Bennett Vic McLaren M1B 1965 5727cc
79 Rusty French Rusty French Vic Porsche 935 1978 3200ccT
83 Trevor Lambert Trevor Lambert SA Elfin MS5 1969 5000cc
91 John Bladon John Bladon UK McLaren M1B 1965 5997cc
92 Nastasi Racing Joe Nastasi USA Alfa Romeo T33SC12 1975 2993cc
96 Paul Halford Paul Halford NZ McLaren M1B 1965 5300cc

#4 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:34

And now it seems Larry in the Pantera GT car.
He just needs a 5000 now to keep him busy for the weekend!

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:05

Thats an impressive looking list of cars, particularly those 2 Matra's which I can't wait to see. Or the McLaren M8's or the Lola or... :)
I'm having a run myself for the first time at the meeting, having been a keen spectator for the last few years. So between drooling over these cars and driving myself it could be a busy weekend. Pretty sure the one practice session on Friday morning before qualifying won't quite be enough but looking forward to lots of fun. Good to see you having a run with the Elfin Pete.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:29

Thats an impressive looking list of cars, particularly those 2 Matra's which I can't wait to see. Or the McLaren M8's or the Lola or... :)
I'm having a run myself for the first time at the meeting, having been a keen spectator for the last few years. So between drooling over these cars and driving myself it could be a busy weekend. Pretty sure the one practice session on Friday morning before qualifying won't quite be enough but looking forward to lots of fun. Good to see you having a run with the Elfin Pete.


Never mind seeing the Matras - I want to hear them!




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Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:09

Have not been to meeting for nearly 8 years,the Matra's might just bring me out.

#8 Lola5000

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:09

Have not been to meeting for nearly 8 years,the Matra's might just bring me out.

#9 willini

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:09

Yes, the sound will be unbelievable. And I've just noticed the McLeagle as well...And the Alfa...
It will be a slow trip off the Island on Sunday night once word gets out about this kind of field of cars let along the other classes!

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 02:08

Looking through the entry list I also see a Lucio Cesario entered in a Ralt RT21. It doesn't seem that long ago he was the next big thing to come out of Australian motor racing. His rise was relatively meteoric, even running as a works Lancia driver at Le Mans and then just as quickly disappeared. The more I look at the entry list the more impressed I am with some of the cars (and drivers) that will be running. The VHRR continue to do a fantastic job with this event.

#11 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 03:40

Looking through the entry list I also see a Lucio Cesario entered in a Ralt RT21. It doesn't seem that long ago he was the next big thing to come out of Australian motor racing. His rise was relatively meteoric, even running as a works Lancia driver at Le Mans and then just as quickly disappeared. The more I look at the entry list the more impressed I am with some of the cars (and drivers) that will be running. The VHRR continue to do a fantastic job with this event.

I have tried to find the entry list but they seem to be hiding it from me. Where will I find it?

#12 Dick Willis

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 05:22

www.vhrr.com , then Phillip Island, then 2013 competitor list and event schedule

#13 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:38

www.vhrr.com , then Phillip Island, then 2013 competitor list and event schedule

Thanks. It was not there Saturday. Though I think I made the same comment last year, the entry list in categorys would be far more usefull. Then us punters, and the competitors would know who was in each field.
Great event last year, great venue but this really is a peeve. And not just from this promoter either.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 20:13

Most annoying there are no outright listings or am I missing something?

http://racing.natsof...m.au/results/#2

Any photos, anyone?

#15 Andrew Fellowes

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 20:58

If you open the one that says Times I think you will get what you are looking for

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 21:14

If you open the one that says Times I think you will get what you are looking for

Good tip, Andrew....thanks for sharing. :wave:


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Posted 09 March 2013 - 21:44

A great weekend so far.

Great sounds, good racing, wonderful cars. Main focus is on the big-banger sporties, like these ones....

Larry Perkins in the Paul Halstead De Tomaso Pantera

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Alex Davison in the Porsche Museum's 936/81 Le Mans winner. Alex had to start at the back as the car didn't clear Customs in time to qualify. He's made up a lot of places in the two sprints, today's longer race should see the car in the top few, I'd say.

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One of the pair of Matras. This is Abba Kogan's. The SOUND. Incredible.

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#18 BMH Comic

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 08:25

If I do some serious grovelling and sucking up Bruce can we have a high definition shot of the Davies Cooper for the West Australian paper???


#19 SJ Lambert

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:41

Fab Weekend!!

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#20 SJ Lambert

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:53

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Damn, Frank Lyons was that quick in the March, I wasn't at all sure that it wasn't February.

Did it end in tears, engine wise for Frank??

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#21 SJ Lambert

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:56

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#22 SJ Lambert

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 12:19

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And the fans went wild!!

#23 SJ Lambert

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 12:30

..................I have just read that Alfie Constanzo is back! In a ex Niel Allan/ KB M10B owned by [who else] Alan Hamilton. I am sure he will have some fun, and keep some of the slower T332s very honest................................



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#24 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 23:12

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Now that is a essay in the evolution of 5000s over about 10 years.
I did not get there, too many boring things got in the way.
But with these pics I wish the hell I did.
I followed the results on Natsoft for 3 days, defenitly not the same. But at least I had some idea what was happening.

#25 SJ Lambert

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 23:46

I don't suppose that's Alfie with his foot on the McLaren's tyre, and Alan Hamilton, cap in hand with Jim Hardman surveying the extent of the damage to the crown wheel and pinion?

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 00:17

Yes , to both questions.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 03:50

... surveying the extent of the damage to the crown wheel and pinion?

2oth Century drivetrain and 21st Century tyres!

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:38

2oth Century drivetrain and 21st Century tyres!


F5000 crown wheel and pinion sets were pretty vulnerable with 20th Century tyres!! Thats one of the reasons the kiwis always have rolling starts for their F5000 races these days.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:38

Didn't help in this case, chunks were pretty big......

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:40

F5000 crown wheel and pinion sets were pretty vulnerable with 20th Century tyres!! Thats one of the reasons the kiwis always have rolling starts for their F5000 races these days.

...and in period :)


#31 SJ Lambert

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:10

Very impressive looking March

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:21

Great pics James :up:
Some of your earlier ones aren't loading for me ( red square in a white box syndrome) - not sure if it's the same for everyone.

#33 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:31

Didn't help in this case, chunks were pretty big......

The Lola it seems has a has a broken ring gear. Did Alf have one too. Whoever is hiding under the wing is nowhere near the crownwheel yet.
While those ring and pins are fragile the Hewlands have taken standing start in Sports sedans for decades. And they are far heavier and these days generally mpre powerfull to with a 6 litre engine.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:49

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:56

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Damn, Frank Lyons was that quick in the March, I wasn't at all sure that it wasn't February.

Did it end in tears, engine wise for Frank??


That looks like Frank's son Michael driving the 717.

#36 SJ Lambert

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:58

T322 Can Am Style!!

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Elfin MS7 - South Australian Style (1974)

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#37 Ray Bell

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:47

Originally posted by Lee Nicolle
The Lola it seems has a has a broken ring gear. Did Alf have one too. Whoever is hiding under the wing is nowhere near the crownwheel yet.
While those ring and pins are fragile the Hewlands have taken standing start in Sports sedans for decades. And they are far heavier and these days generally mpre powerfull to with a 6 litre engine.


The serious Sports Sedans with Hewlands have used the LG series boxes, which have a bigger diff...

But not all of them, of course. But bear in mind the wheel and tyre size, which restricts their traction somewhat.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 10:03

That looks like Frank's son Michael driving the 717.

Michael is down in the entry list to drive the March. Is that the ex-Frank Bradley car that the Lyons took down with them to Oz?

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 10:29

If I do some serious grovelling and sucking up Bruce can we have a high definition shot of the Davies Cooper for the West Australian paper???


If I have one that's decent, sure.

What car number Tom? I assume it's in the JKL group?




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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:20

Michael is down in the entry list to drive the March. Is that the ex-Frank Bradley car that the Lyons took down with them to Oz?


Yes believe it is, as it looks to be in the same colour and bodywork configuration as Frank Bradley raced it.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:27

If I have one that's decent, sure.

What car number Tom? I assume it's in the JKL group?




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Posted 11 March 2013 - 19:35

Black number 29 if you can help, very much appreciated.


Sorry mate, can't help you.

I had fairly specific tasks this weekend and only snapped a few of the other classes.



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Posted 11 March 2013 - 19:48

Only took Pit/Paddock shots of him myeslf......

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#44 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 22:44

Only took Pit/Paddock shots of him myeslf......

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That is a pretty little car. The Cooper gearbox? I have never heard of that one.
It does need some shorter shocks though. It appears to have about 1.5" of travel. Some rock strainers on the Webers would be good to save that Climax.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 23:39

That would be a Cooper-Knight gearbox, which many of them had...

Based, was it not, on the Citroen box, but I think they got to casting their own housings as well as cutting their own gears and extending it further out the back to give room for a fifth speed.

Upwood wheel movement from that point would probably be closer to 3" with the shock on that angle, which is acceptable in this type of car. There would be a similar amount of travel on droop.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 00:45

Sorry mate, can't help you.

I had fairly specific tasks this weekend and only snapped a few of the other classes.



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Thanks anyway, worth a try!!!

Can anyone else help??

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 01:50

Michael Lyons was very impressive in that March, he was able to pull away at will. It was a shame that Lyons' other car, a beautiful Team Gunston LolaT70, didn't run after problems early in the meeting.The Matra's were amazing as expected. What was more impressive was that they even did a complete engine change overnight to keep running, big effort!! It would have to have been one of the best fields of sports cars ever seen in Australia and a big thankyou has to go to the VHRR for organising it. If I can work out how to post images I will put some up.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 02:10

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Was this pan off either of those cars??

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Edit - so I guess it's off this one!! It is a gorgeous car to look at!

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 02:19

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 02:25

Michael Lyons was very impressive in that March, he was able to pull away at will. It was a shame that Lyons' other car, a beautiful Team Gunston LolaT70, didn't run after problems early in the meeting.The Matra's were amazing as expected. What was more impressive was that they even did a complete engine change overnight to keep running, big effort!! It would have to have been one of the best fields of sports cars ever seen in Australia and a big thankyou has to go to the VHRR for organising it. If I can work out how to post images I will put some up.



The 717 was mighty impressive, even when standing still!


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