Rumour: McLaren has bought Cosworth [split]
#1
Posted 07 February 2013 - 18:33
#f1 There were some rumours around this morning that McLaren had bought Cosworth. These have been denied by McLaren sources.
#3
Posted 07 February 2013 - 18:38
#4
Posted 07 February 2013 - 18:39
How long is McLaren's current engine deal with Mercedes ?
#5
Posted 07 February 2013 - 18:40
#6
Posted 07 February 2013 - 18:43
This wouldn't suprise me in the least.
How long is McLaren's current engine deal with Mercedes ?
end of 2014
#7
Posted 07 February 2013 - 18:44
This wouldn't suprise me in the least.
How long is McLaren's current engine deal with Mercedes ?
Me neither. If Mac really are to go their own engine route then purchasing Cosworth is a very obvious way to go rather than trying to start from scratch.
#8
Posted 07 February 2013 - 18:45
Edited by Kingshark, 07 February 2013 - 18:48.
#9
Posted 07 February 2013 - 18:49
It might make sense if it had something to do with their road car division.
Of course the other fun discussion I was kicking around with a few people, was what if McLaren decided to pull out of F1 altogether at the end of the season?
#10
Posted 07 February 2013 - 18:50
#11
Posted 07 February 2013 - 18:54
end of 2014
2015
Of course the other fun discussion I was kicking around with a few people, was what if McLaren decided to pull out of F1 altogether at the end of the season?
Edited by Anonymous, 07 February 2013 - 18:56.
#12
Posted 07 February 2013 - 18:56
Doubt McLaren is crazy enough to split from Mercedes engines.....
Cosworth comes back 2010 supplying 4 teams engines, 3 years later they are left with one engine deal.
Edited by BiH, 07 February 2013 - 18:57.
#13
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:06
#14
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:08
#15
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:09
And of course this would be great news for Cosworth.
#16
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:10
If this is a done deal I can see why Mclaren would want to cool it off, probably too early to (publicly) ditch Mercedes, units might start to play funny.
And of course this would be great news for Cosworth.
You think, more bad fuel pumps?
#17
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:10
#18
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:14
#19
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:20
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#20
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:22
#21
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:26
This wouldn't suprise me in the least.
How long is McLaren's current engine deal with Mercedes ?
Till 2015 i think.
#22
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:27
Kinda sounds familiar.........
#23
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:27
with road car they started selling, do it everything in-house is what they shud dream of. All depends on whether or not they can secure enough fund and engineers and couple of teams to supply engines to.
#24
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:33
#25
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:38
I really can't see Honda badging an F1 engine. That's not the point of them doing F1.
They've done it in Indycar for a while now....... and after their last experience in F1, perhaps they want to do something that is slightly less risky when it comes to raiding the coffers.......
But I digress.
Edited by maverick69, 07 February 2013 - 19:40.
#26
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:39
This makes sense. Mclaren was founded as a seat for Lewis and he's gone now. Why bother anymore?Of course the other fun discussion I was kicking around with a few people, was what if McLaren decided to pull out of F1 altogether at the end of the season?
#27
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:42
#28
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:48
McLaren buy Cosworth....... Honda provide the money for the development of an F1 powertrain and get to stick their badge on it.
Kinda sounds familiar.........
Mercedes and Ilmor?
#29
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:50
#30
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:52
Mercedes and Ilmor?
Yep.
And Ford and Cosworth...... and TAG and Porsche........ and sort of Renault and Mecachrome etc......
#31
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:53
Where would this leave their deal with Mercedes wrt access to the technology, mappings, cooling requirements and methodologies with the engine's they are putting in their cars
They don't have access to the internals of the engines anyway, they are sealed when they come into the garage, sealed when they come out, and the engine has its own control software which they do not get to see. Things like Engine Maps are done by Mercedes with input from McLaren, but it would not be McLaren staff doing the actual work etc...
A deal like this makes a lot of sense in the longer term - the problems with Mercedes would have shaken McLaren who pride themselves on control and perfection - being in a situation where they are not a factory team, do not have engine stablity and are at the whim of another team in terms of what they get is not very McLaren. It also makes a huge amount of sense with regard to their road car division even if they never make an f1 engine.
#32
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:54
We should not forget there was a point where it seemed Mercedes was ready to assimilate Mclaren and all the sudden both parties drifted away.You think, more bad fuel pumps?
#33
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:54
Maybe Honda already is involved?McLaren buy Cosworth....... Honda provide the money for the development of an F1 powertrain and get to stick their badge on it.
Kinda sounds familiar.........
#34
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:57
Where would this leave their deal with Mercedes wrt access to the technology, mappings, cooling requirements and methodologies with the engine's they are putting in their cars
No different than when any other team changes engine supplier. Mercedes can't hold a patent to cooling requirements and the Mercedes engines are essentially a sealed unit dealt with by Mercedes engine personnel within the team anyway.
Edited by JRizzle86, 07 February 2013 - 19:59.
#35
Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:59
Maybe Honda already is involved?
Could well be.
It's a rumor that's been hanging around for a while now.
#36
Posted 07 February 2013 - 20:05
#37
Posted 07 February 2013 - 20:06
Please tell us, what is there left to buy?
Charlie
#38
Posted 07 February 2013 - 20:11
if Honda were to buy or invest in cosworth, maybe it'd be for facility, in order to use it as maintenance base, i imagine. To operate from tochigi dont make logistics sense, they'd surely need a european base, even just as an engine supplier. all speculation anyway..
#39
Posted 07 February 2013 - 20:11
Cosworth
Please tell us, what is there left to buy?
Charlie
An engine supplier with the basic essentials to develop both racing and road car engines.
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#40
Posted 07 February 2013 - 20:14
This makes sense. Mclaren was founded as a seat for Lewis and he's gone now. Why bother anymore?
I don't recall mentioning anything about Lewis.
Think about it, what does F1 even offer McLaren anymore? They are getting into the building and selling of road cars now. There's more to be gained elsewhere instead of a borderline spec series.
#41
Posted 07 February 2013 - 20:15
if Honda were to buy or invest in cosworth, maybe it'd be for facility, in order to use it as maintenance base, i imagine. To operate from tochigi dont make logistics sense, they'd surely need a european base, even just as an engine supplier. all speculation anyway..
Maybe that's the idea. But we don't know if the rumors might be true, and if some manufacturer is helping McLaren in this deal.
#42
Posted 07 February 2013 - 20:17
I don't recall mentioning anything about Lewis.
Think about it, what does F1 even offer McLaren anymore? They are getting into the building and selling of road cars now. There's more to be gained elsewhere instead of a borderline spec series.
What does F1 offer Ferrari? There is your answer.
#43
Posted 07 February 2013 - 20:18
We are now in 2013 not 1967!An engine supplier with the basic essentials to develop both racing and road car engines.
#44
Posted 07 February 2013 - 20:19
What does F1 offer Ferrari? There is your answer.
Yes, and Montezuma has been bitching about the state of F1.
The thing that would be more relevant for both is to get into LMP for 2014 or 2015. Both companies are about moving forward technologically, and F1 hasn't been to keen on doing that anymore.
#45
Posted 07 February 2013 - 20:21
#46
Posted 07 February 2013 - 20:27
#47
Posted 07 February 2013 - 20:28
Cosworth don't just do engines now, they do all sorts of other engineering stuff.
Yep. And we all know how Ron loves his "Applied Technologies"!
#48
Posted 07 February 2013 - 20:31
We are now in 2013 not 1967!
I'm sorry what is your point. They are a road and racing engine supplier. Yes their last V10 and V8 were not the best of the field but they were lacking funding and top teams as partners. The last F1 championship won by a Ford Cosworth engine was 94, so 1967 is a bit far off in terms of their successful period. Ford proved with investment and the correct direction they were more than capable of challenging at the front in F1. Even though they are not in single seaters at the moment they also have a strong recent history with Indycar. If McLaren were to buy into an engine operation wouldn't it make sense one with the basic operating tech and experience and invest and develop from there. A must better proposal than starting an engine operation from scratch. Why do you think Ricardo is currently working with McLaren for their road car engine.
Edited by JRizzle86, 07 February 2013 - 20:39.
#49
Posted 07 February 2013 - 20:31
#50
Posted 07 February 2013 - 20:33
Yes, and Montezuma has been bitching about the state of F1.
The thing that would be more relevant for both is to get into LMP for 2014 or 2015. Both companies are about moving forward technologically, and F1 hasn't been to keen on doing that anymore.
Montezemolo. If you have these feeling towards F1 I think you are in the wrong forum or at least the wrong thread.