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[Dolph]

Thanks for the spoiler.

+1

[Fonzey]

I've not read all the thread, but on the topic of the "reasonably priced car" I always assumed it to be relatively track prepped. It's got bucket seats and a cage, so the possibility of uprated pads/disks/hoses and fluid isn't beyond silly.

With not a lot of investment it could be quite a consistent track performer with the right components.

[finignig]

thanks for the spoiler not all of us live in the UK and get to watch it live you know.. jeez

[lewymp4]

Jenson wants to return to Top Gear, but when the track temp is high so it fits into his narrow set-up window.

I hope that that he won't be as disappointed, like his last visit

[rijole1]

Raikkonen's lap was in very wet conditions and as all Top Gear fans will know a wet lap adds about 4 seconds to your lap time, meaning that Kimi is even faster than Lewis.

Even more shocking, the 4 second rule means that Webber is actually faster than Vettel!

Exactly.
And - there is no cameras that follow them all the way -
Hamilton could easily have taken a shortcut and therefore, he has a better time - so I'm not convinced
And we need to know exact track temperature during all the different attempts,
make calculations and analyse who's time actually is the best

[fabr68]

Exactly.
And - there is no cameras that follow them all the way -
Hamilton could easily have taken a shortcut and therefore, he has a better time - so I'm not convinced
And we need to know exact track temperature during all the different attempts,
make calculations and analyse who's time actually is the best ;)

Vettel and Raikkonen could taken shorcuts too then. Hamilton also ran in the wet and beat Raikkonen's time as well.

No need for analysis, the lap chart times are already set. I am no fan of either of the drivers above by the way.

[Latro]

It reminds me the way they test cars in the show.
They always come up with "better" British counterpart.
Not saying that Lewis isn't better than Sebastien. He most likely is, at least at F1.
But I'm sure they gave him perfect conditions so he could wipe the floor with everybody else.
I wander what outcome would be if it was German show.

[P123]

They always come up with "better" British counterpart.

Quite the opposite in fact.

[SUPRAF1]

If he did spend most/all of his day on the track then the Mercedes move is already paying off because he would never have had that much free time during testing season with McLaren .

[Moore]

If he did spend most/all of his day on the track then the Mercedes move is already paying off because he would never have had that much free time during testing season with McLaren .

It was filmed a few months ago

[apoka]

Not saying that Lewis isn't better than Sebastien. He most likely is, at least at F1.

I don't want to open a can of worms, but there is not much evidence that he is "most likely" better at F1. If anything, it's more likely the opposite at the moment, but in fact, we don't know much either way.

[garoidb]

It would be interesting to see what the other Seb, the multiple WRC champ, could do.

[halifaxf1fan]

Can not agree really.
It is nothing close to difficult for any F1 driver to drive wheels of that little underpowered car. Moreover, expect a top WTCC driver (FWD driver) to do an even better laptime.
Times depend on track conditions, practice time and national preferences of a pretty nationalistic TV show which Top Gear is definitely is.

It was a very nice lap by Hamilton, very interesting to see how a top driver can drive a 'regular' road car.

And it can mean something in comparison to his competitors if done right like it was in 1984 with the Mercedes 190e event at the Nurburgring re-opening.



This event had more than a dozen world champions on a proper race track at the same time and the result meant a great deal.

Maybe Top Gear could organize something like this.

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 18 February 2013 - 21:19.

[joshb]

It was a very nice lap by Hamilton, very interesting to see how a top driver can drive a 'regular' road car.

And it can mean something in comparison to his competitors if done right like it was in 1984 with the Mercedes 190e event at the Nurburgring re-opening.



This event had more than a dozen world champions on a proper race track at the same time and the result meant a great deal.

Maybe Top Gear could organize something like this.

I was watching the Daytona 24 hours and I had the thought
What if there was a team of F1 drivers?
Imagine Vettel, Hamilton and Alonso sharing the same car for a 24 hour race... 1 car setup to suit all 3 drivers, fuel and new tyres at the start of each driving stint, the only variable being the changing track over the course of 3 stints

[bourbon]

This thread is proof cars need to be more equal in F1. Maybe it is time to re-introduce mid-season rule and game changers like the old times.

And further proof of why fans waving their jewels around are often ignored by F1 and others, lol. WCC champs make all the money in this series - think about that.

I didn't watch the whole interview, but in the little lap outtake I saw, Lewis looks like he was having fun, as did those watching - and that is the only objective.

[maverick69]

I was watching the Daytona 24 hours and I had the thought
What if there was a team of F1 drivers?
Imagine Vettel, Hamilton and Alonso sharing the same car for a 24 hour race... 1 car setup to suit all 3 drivers, fuel and new tyres at the start of each driving stint, the only variable being the changing track over the course of 3 stints

That would probably be one of the coolest things to happen in motor-racing in a very, very long time.............

[MP422]

And further proof of why fans waving their jewels around are often ignored by F1 and others, lol. WCC champs make all the money in this series - think about that.

I didn't watch the whole interview, but in the little lap outtake I saw, Lewis looks like he was having fun, as did those watching - and that is the only objective.

LOL pot calling the kettle black.

http://forums.autosp...w...ear&st=2480

Edited by MP422, 18 February 2013 - 23:19.

[BoschKurve]

I'm not a Hamilton fan, but assuming all things are equal for everyone, he's the fastest driver on the grid currently.

It is what it is. F1's about a little more than just pure driver speed these days.

[Juan Kerr]

Exactly.
And - there is no cameras that follow them all the way -
Hamilton could easily have taken a shortcut and therefore, he has a better time - so I'm not convinced
And we need to know exact track temperature during all the different attempts,
make calculations and analyse who's time actually is the best ;)

Clearly you are paranoid and no he didn't take a short cut, it makes a big difference having another go and also Lewis probably is the quickest in a road car since he's so versatile and determined.

[Watkins74]

Clearly you are paranoid and no he didn't take a short cut, it makes a big difference having another go and also Lewis probably is the quickest in a road car since he's so versatile and determined.

What makes him so versatile?

edit: Wait....do you mean he can Twitter with either hand?

Edited by Watkins74, 19 February 2013 - 00:28.

[EvanRainer]

You have to be incredibly stupid/naive to think any F1 driver would go on topgear and not set the top time

[gillesthegenius]

You are just a hater, Amazing how much energy you put forth in this thread to manufacture a view that you believe Lewis fans have. Plain and simple.


Nice lap by lewis putting it on top of the board !

So everyone who thinks that the TG laps offer nothing more than some entertainment and bragging rights for the fans of the faster driver is a hater? I dont have a problem with accepting that Lewis went faster than Seb in the show. I wouldnt even be bothered by blind claims that Lewis is actually the fastest driver - which I wouldnt argue against as I consider him and Seb to be at a very high level when it comes to speed - in f1 today. But what I find to be funny is the use of the TG lap to prove that he is actually the fastest driver in f1.

And as I saw it, some of the people who were doing so were claiming to only be engaging in some light hearted banter while certain others seemed to be constructing their own logic to prove how this lap meant that Lewis was the fastest driver in f1 today. So I responded with my own form of banter to the ones I thought were just having a little fun while engaging in a debate with the ones whom I thought were a little more serious.

This is after all a forum where we are supppsed to share our thoughts, right? And do you by any chance become so exhausted after sharing your thoughts with others, that you need a Red Bull to recover from it?

In any case, if you were hurt by anything that I said, I offer you my apologies.

And to make myself clear again...
1) Blindly say that Lewis is faster than Seb. I wouldnt argue with it as I personally see no logic that can dsitinguish either driver to be faster untill they have a proper f1 fight as team mates - like the one Lewis had against Alonso that convinced me that Lewis was the faster driver of the two - for atleast a year.
2) Use the TG lap in a light hearted manner to suggest he is faster. Then Ill try to respond in a similarly mocking but light hearted manner, as a little fun is no harm according to some Lewis fans who openly admitted that they were just joking around in the other thread.
3) Use the TG lap to logically prove how it is a reliable indicator of how Lewis is faster. I would debate against it as I see it as a desperate attempt of clutching at straws to somehow prove that Lewis is the faster one. But there is room for argument as there alway is in a debate.

And calling people names like ignoramus or hater doesnt come under light hearted banter, atleast for me.

I hope that makes my position clear to you. So dont just go labelling everyone who doesnt agree with you as a hater, and have a good day mate.

Edited by gillesthegenius, 19 February 2013 - 02:32.

[ASFA2011]

I'm not a Hamilton fan, but assuming all things are equal for everyone, he's the fastest driver on the grid currently.

It is what it is. F1's about a little more than just pure driver speed these days.

I agree that Hamilton is probably the fastest over one lap , over a race distance I give that honor to some Mr Alonso

[gillesthegenius]

It would be fair to give Seb a second go but in the wet, that way we can average the times out and see who went quickest overhaul.

Ill tell you what. Just get them in the same damn f1 team. Mercedes or Red Bull or whatever. That will, god willing, be a whole load of fun. I would feel robbed, if they didnt team up and have a good go at each other before they retired.

[gillesthegenius]

Now we need Alonso!!!

And his six tenths.;)

[gillesthegenius]

Suck it Seb

Thank god we have top gear. :sigh: Hope all your recent frustration about Seb running away with everything has been relieved by that post.

[bourbon]

LOL pot calling the kettle black.

http://forums.autosp...w...ear&st=2480

I have no idea why you linked me to a post by Flyer. Try again?

Edited by bourbon, 19 February 2013 - 03:11.

[euverus]

Vettel on the left, Hamilton on the right.

[BigCHrome]

I don't need Top Gear to tell me who's the fastest driver in F1.

Also I like how people are trying to sound smart by mentioning conditions as if a road car would be affected by temperature the same way as an F1 car.

[V3TT3L]

RIDICUL US

The steering wheel is in the right side of the car.
Therefore commonwealth and japanese drivers have massive advantage here.
Considering the handicap and that V3tt3l must have shifted the windown lever several times...

Furthermore anyone that played PS' Gran Turismo challenges/licenses knows that driving econocars is much different from supercars and formulas.

Edited by V3TT3L, 19 February 2013 - 07:49.

[mnmracer]

That would probably be one of the coolest things to happen in motor-racing in a very, very long time.............

Might not see those three, but more realistic, maybe Schumi, Seb and Kimi at Le Mans?
Then again....

[kedia990]

@euverus - nice comparisons, but I really think watching the video, rather than still captures would highlight why the difference in time exists. Eg: in your comparison there's virtually no difference in lines taken apart from comparison pair #2 (Chicago). However, if you watch the videos, you'll see that the way the 2 drivers attacked the 2nd to last corner (last but one comparison pair) was radically different - Vettel taking a much smoother line, Hamilton really poking the rear end of the car around and pivoting it to get it lined up, attempting to carry more speed in. At the apex however, the shots appear identical. Whats different is the entry/exit.

@V3TT3L - fair point. But food for thought - the fastest driver in the current reasonably priced car for ordinary celebs () is kia cee'd, right hand drive, and the fastest man to have lapped that car is Matt Le'Blanc, an American, beating every other commonwealth driver. You're telling me that Vettel had a harder time getting used to RHD than Matt Le'Blanc? Im not as much a Vettel fan as you, but even I respect him enough to not bring up this point in an argument.

[SvenF1]

Vettel on the left, Hamilton on the right.

Thing is, if this was meant to compare the two laps, its pretty much useless. They don't have a camera at each corner like F1, instead the "lap" you see is cut from the practice laps etc, each corner from different lap. Only the incar footage is from the actual flying lap, though even that isn't necessarily the case.

[ivand911]

Different number plates on the cars, different cars. This cars are rebuild 100 times, for sure if you test them(on dyno) you will see performance difference. 5-6HP for sure. It depend how much time there was since last engine rebuild. There is many "track day" specialist here, they will give better definition. I guess you will have the most power just after the engine rebuild?

Edited by ivand911, 19 February 2013 - 09:06.

[maverick69]

Vettel on the left, Hamilton on the right.

Here I am.

Stuck in the middle with you.

[Gilles4Ever]

And that shows the absurdity of the thread in Racing Comments. This is not about racing, it is better suited for another forum. It has run it's course and is closed.