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#301 Mc_Silver

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:16

I think Rosberg did a 7-8 Lap stint. If they can go a second faster then its safe to assume that they can better the Q3 time of Hamilton last year which was a 1:21.707 done on soft compound (later DSQ), I know the track temperature and wind speed may differ but they are getting close to that time, especially if we make an assumption of 0.5secs between the soft used at 2012 Spanish GP and medium compounds the times were set on today(This with a heavy caveat that I don't know what the real differential is between last years soft and this years medium. Not sure what changes Pirelli has made to the compounds)

\At least the Merc doesn't look like a dog. That's okay with me.......


I think this year's medium compounds are almost identical to last year's soft tyres

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#302 Masenco

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:17

Something really seems to be wrong with Ferraris tyre deg...Alonso did several medium-longstints where he did his best lap on first lap and then the pace dopped by over a second on next lap and even more on a next etc :s


Same thing with most cars

#303 Wander

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:18

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4 Alonso Ferrari 1m23.626s +1.010


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#304 aray

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:18

so far RB and McLaren seem better than the rest in tyre deg....

#305 BackOnTop

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:18

Kimi Raikkonen- Barcelona Stints

1:30.196 (5)
1:30.386 (6)

1:23.571 (13)
1:23.905 (14)

1:23.125 (21)
1:23.637 (22)

1:23.640 (30)
1:23.726 (31)

1:23.726 (33)
1:23.609 (34)
1:23.945 (35)

1:22.623 (38)
1:23.215 (39)

1:22.779 (42) (Med Scrubbed)
1:23.610 (43)

Edited by BackOnTop, 19 February 2013 - 16:20.


#306 Ferrari2183

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:20

There is no such tweet on @InsideFerrari

There is no such tweet, yes.

All I can find is:

@insideferrari: Still 45 minutes available. Testing mainly with hard compound

#307 Masenco

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:21

so far RB and McLaren seem better than the rest in tyre deg....


Not sure about the runs today, but from jerez that did seem to be the case.

#308 aray

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:21

according to Autosport,that 22.623 by Kimi was done on fresh med....

#309 showtime

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:22

+7 laps stints:

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#310 sportingcp

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:24

so far RB and McLaren seem better than the rest in tyre deg....


Lotus seem very good too. McLaren/Perez didnĀ“t look very impressive today, but they have the advantage with Button/Perez of having two great drivers in preserving their tyres

#311 fatd

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:24

so far RB and McLaren seem better than the rest in tyre deg....


I'll add Lotus to that too

#312 SR388

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:26

Nico went fastest.

54 laps

1:22:616

Edited by SR388, 19 February 2013 - 16:27.


#313 kosmos

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:26

Alonso last stint.

1:22.952 (100)
1:24.090 (101)
1:25.154 (102)
1:26.215 (103)
1:26.877 (104)
1:27.675 (105)
1:28.550 (106)
1:29.128 (107)
1:30.298 (108)
1:29.831 (109)

#314 watercolours

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:28

Any trackside observations and comments?

#315 Seanspeed

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:33

People worried about the tire degredation - we saw the same sort of behavior last year. I remember I was quite concerned about it, but even though the teams still weren't quite on top of the tires in Australia, they were able to run proper, consistent stints. The teams are probably just testing the limits of the tires, seeing how they behave under certain circumstances. All stuff that will be good to know when it comes time to get the best out of them in any given situation. I think there will be a lot of that this 1st Barcelona test, while the last test sees teams starting to prepare a bit more for typical race performance.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:33

Alonso last stint.

1:22.952 (100)
1:24.090 (101)
1:25.154 (102)
1:26.215 (103)
1:26.877 (104)
1:27.675 (105)
1:28.550 (106)
1:29.128 (107)
1:30.298 (108)
1:29.831 (109)


That is some serious degradation. Were last years softs or even super softs this bad?

#317 boldhakka

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:33

Alonso last stint.

1:22.952 (100)
1:24.090 (101)
1:25.154 (102)
1:26.215 (103)
1:26.877 (104)
1:27.675 (105)
1:28.550 (106)
1:29.128 (107)
1:30.298 (108)
1:29.831 (109)


That is some serious degradation. Were last years softs or even super softs this bad?

#318 noikeee

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:34

7 seconds drop in performance in a short stint... Christ :drunk:

#319 Xeriks

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:36

so far RB and McLaren seem better than the rest in tyre deg....

Lotus are also up there, their tyre deg seems very good.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:40

Something really seems to be wrong with Ferraris tyre deg...Alonso did several medium-longstints where he did his best lap on first lap and then the pace dopped by over a second on next lap and even more on a next etc :s


Maybe because of this?




#321 BernieEc

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:41

Any trackside observations and comments?


Am sure Gary Anderson will offer his views later on which diffuser was performing best and whose exhaust directed the most flow based on his observation

#322 F1ultimate

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 16:51

7 seconds drop in performance in a short stint... Christ :drunk:


And the lasts weren't even fast. Full fuel test??

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 17:00

Lotus are also up there, their tyre deg seems very good.


how can you say that when they only did short stints?

#324 Masenco

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 17:07

how can you say that when they only did short stints?


I'm presuming the user was keeping their runs in jerez in mind- which did look pretty good as far as I remember.
Also, to be able to 3/4 laps consistently in the mid 1.23s looks pretty impressive.

#325 BernieEc

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 17:10

I personally think these times being set are better when compared with the 2012 spanish GP. Even if Pirelli have tweaked the tyres, the fact they are not using DRS everywhere and some cars with at least a 10 lap fuel load will definitely go much fast ..0.8-1 sec....

#326 Seanspeed

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 18:34

For what its worth, here are the laptimes for the race winner from last year:

14:04:57
2 1:30.597
3 1:30.382
4 1:30.011
5 1:30.248
6 1:30.370
7 1:30.317
8 1:30.357
9 1:30.743
10 1:30.868
11 P 1:32.929
12 1:46.213
13 1:29.273
14 1:29.763
15 1:29.437
16 1:29.439
17 1:29.428
18 1:29.454
19 1:29.401
20 1:30.477
21 1:29.389
22 1:29.665
23 1:30.016
24 P 1:32.910
25 1:44.072
26 1:27.906
27 1:28.273
28 1:28.371
29 1:28.503
30 1:28.514
31 1:28.483
32 1:28.824
33 1:28.785
34 1:28.710
35 1:29.237
36 1:28.904
37 1:29.499
38 1:29.162
39 1:29.393
40 1:29.919
41 P 1:32.699
42 1:47.214
43 1:28.208
44 1:28.925
45 1:28.526
46 1:29.140
47 1:27.943
48 1:28.884
49 1:28.288
50 1:28.173
51 1:28.181
52 1:28.379
53 1:28.270
54 1:28.327
55 1:28.521
56 1:28.593
57 1:28.686
58 1:28.369
59 1:28.106
60 1:28.551
61 1:28.696
62 1:28.585
63 1:28.840
64 1:28.869
65 1:29.161
66 1:29.735

Thought it might put into perspective some of the longer runs we start to see. Of course, different tires, warmer weather, blah blah, but still. Those looking at the faster times:

Q1:

Lewis - 1:22.583

Q2:

Maldonado - 1:22.105

Q3

Lewis - 1:21.707

So basically, about an 8 second difference from full quali pace to race start pace.

#327 tarmac

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 19:08

Again it looks like the fastest car wont win if its not the kindest for the tires also

#328 Markn93

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 19:20

Drivers agreeing on tyre deg it seems http://www.autosport...t.php/id/105629

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 19:28

Am sure Gary Anderson will offer his views later on which diffuser was performing best and whose exhaust directed the most flow based on his observation


Nice on. :rotfl:

#330 eronrules

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 19:36

Again it looks like the fastest car wont win if its not the kindest for the tires also


kindness to tires is a complement to driving style, should spice up racing, specially Lotuss and saubers. JB and Kimi may both have some advantages in this regard.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 20:04

Again it looks like the fastest car wont win if its not the kindest for the tires also


Deg is looking so high, that it will be funny to watch.

Cars will be slidding all the way.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 20:07

Will be interesting to see what they do next year with the tyres, given the reports of high torque powertrains. 1 lap and the rears will be canvas

#333 Mc_Silver

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 20:08

For what its worth, here are the laptimes for the race winner from last year:


I like these comparisions, thanks :up:

#334 Masenco

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 20:38

For what its worth, here are the laptimes for the race winner from last year:

14:04:57
2 1:30.597
3 1:30.382
4 1:30.011
5 1:30.248
6 1:30.370
7 1:30.317
8 1:30.357
9 1:30.743
10 1:30.868
11 P 1:32.929
12 1:46.213
13 1:29.273
14 1:29.763
15 1:29.437
16 1:29.439
17 1:29.428
18 1:29.454
19 1:29.401
20 1:30.477
21 1:29.389
22 1:29.665
23 1:30.016
24 P 1:32.910
25 1:44.072
26 1:27.906
27 1:28.273
28 1:28.371
29 1:28.503
30 1:28.514
31 1:28.483
32 1:28.824
33 1:28.785
34 1:28.710
35 1:29.237
36 1:28.904
37 1:29.499
38 1:29.162
39 1:29.393
40 1:29.919
41 P 1:32.699
42 1:47.214
43 1:28.208
44 1:28.925
45 1:28.526
46 1:29.140
47 1:27.943
48 1:28.884
49 1:28.288
50 1:28.173
51 1:28.181
52 1:28.379
53 1:28.270
54 1:28.327
55 1:28.521
56 1:28.593
57 1:28.686
58 1:28.369
59 1:28.106
60 1:28.551
61 1:28.696
62 1:28.585
63 1:28.840
64 1:28.869
65 1:29.161
66 1:29.735

Thought it might put into perspective some of the longer runs we start to see. Of course, different tires, warmer weather, blah blah, but still. Those looking at the faster times:

Q1:

Lewis - 1:22.583

Q2:

Maldonado - 1:22.105

Q3

Lewis - 1:21.707

So basically, about an 8 second difference from full quali pace to race start pace.


Over twenty laps in the same second....This year on some runs cars barely manage 3!

#335 BigCHrome

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 21:10

Why is Vettel looking away from the apex in that shot above?


Because it's a right-left combination and hes looking at the next corner.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 21:20

Over twenty laps in the same second....This year on some runs cars barely manage 3!


Not to mention this being February, it's way colder, setups not so perfected, not the same amount of rubber on the track, etc. etc.

#337 Masenco

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 21:24

Not to mention this being February, it's way colder, setups not so perfected, not the same amount of rubber on the track, etc. etc.


Its not all down to that though. Most of the difference in tyre deg is coming from the tyre itself


#338 chumma

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 21:53

Maybe because of this?

McLaren is in the same boat and there's isnt so severe?

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 22:21

Over twenty laps in the same second....This year on some runs cars barely manage 3!

Also remember that this was what it was like last year in winter testing, too.

I think they have the ability to run much more consistently, but they are testing out what the tires can do and how they react. I dont think a lot of these guys are going for proper stints like they would in a race. Every driver is capable of very consistent times, but testing always seems to be all up and down like they're some amateur drivers or something.

Its clear from the driver and team comments that the tires are definitely degrading to a good degree, but I think if you're looking at the time drop offs, thats not ALL down to the tire.

Edited by Seanspeed, 19 February 2013 - 22:21.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 22:35

Am sure Gary Anderson will offer his views later on which diffuser was performing best and whose exhaust directed the most flow based on his observation


Well GA's Jerez analysis reckoned that the RBR was about 6th fastest and probably in a bit of trouble. So, his flow vis thesis must be a real pearl of wisdom...

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 22:37

I had an interesting afternoon at the CdC, I arrived a little late in the day, blame British Airways for that one... however I will add some cut down shots to the following Picasa site over the coming days...

https://picasaweb.go...2ndFebruary2013

My initial observations show the Red Bull extremely well planted, surely has the most downforce still. McLaren just looks good everywhere, and most interestingly, Ferrari looking good on long runs and running well in traffic (Alonso running well behind Maldanado in the afternoon, then blasting past on the main straight with no DRS) I can see why he was positive in the pen at the end of the day.

Their may not be many photos at the moment, my Samsung Galaxy Tab is not enjoying running my photo editing software on 6000x4000 shots.

#342 RockyRaccoon68

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 22:39

We can see from that stint in Barcelona that the times can be consistent and not get slower and slower as long as the drivers don't push. Maldonado's last stint was 22 laps long and the fastest he went was high 27/low 28. Today Alonso did a 22.9 when he had at least 11 laps of fuel in the car and then his times started to fall away rapidly. It just shows how little they push in Pirelli races.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 23:09

I had an interesting afternoon at the CdC, I arrived a little late in the day, blame British Airways for that one... however I will add some cut down shots to the following Picasa site over the coming days...

https://picasaweb.go...2ndFebruary2013

My initial observations show the Red Bull extremely well planted, surely has the most downforce still. McLaren just looks good everywhere, and most interestingly, Ferrari looking good on long runs and running well in traffic (Alonso running well behind Maldanado in the afternoon, then blasting past on the main straight with no DRS) I can see why he was positive in the pen at the end of the day.

Their may not be many photos at the moment, my Samsung Galaxy Tab is not enjoying running my photo editing software on 6000x4000 shots.


Thanks. :up:
What are your thoughts on the other cars?

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 23:10

Here some unprotected view of the RBR

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 23:13

I had an interesting afternoon at the CdC, I arrived a little late in the day, blame British Airways for that one... however I will add some cut down shots to the following Picasa site over the coming days...

https://picasaweb.go...2ndFebruary2013

My initial observations show the Red Bull extremely well planted, surely has the most downforce still. McLaren just looks good everywhere, and most interestingly, Ferrari looking good on long runs and running well in traffic (Alonso running well behind Maldanado in the afternoon, then blasting past on the main straight with no DRS) I can see why he was positive in the pen at the end of the day.

Their may not be many photos at the moment, my Samsung Galaxy Tab is not enjoying running my photo editing software on 6000x4000 shots.

:up: thanks for posting this. Always interesting.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 23:25

Anyone know what this is....

https://picasaweb.go...806752242583426

...one for the super technical F1 people on here. There were two of then set up either side of the McLaren pit box.

#347 chumma

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 23:26

Looks like an inverted wheel nut, its probably a heat censor? thermal camera? some measuring device im sure, or maybe an alignment system for pit stops.

#348 ScottMB

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 23:52

Thanks. :up:
What are your thoughts on the other cars?


Let me have a full day behind my camera tomorrow, and I'll let you know! Planning on heading over to the last few turns for a big chunk of the day, will get a good view on who has the best balance under braking, and who can get the power down earliest.

#349 John Player

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 23:56

Anyone know what this is....

https://picasaweb.go...806752242583426

...one for the super technical F1 people on here. There were two of then set up either side of the McLaren pit box.


It looks like a wheel nut.

#350 One

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 00:41

I had an interesting afternoon at the CdC, I arrived a little late in the day, blame British Airways for that one... however I will add some cut down shots to the following Picasa site over the coming days...

https://picasaweb.go...2ndFebruary2013

My initial observations show the Red Bull extremely well planted, surely has the most downforce still. McLaren just looks good everywhere, and most interestingly, Ferrari looking good on long runs and running well in traffic (Alonso running well behind Maldanado in the afternoon, then blasting past on the main straight with no DRS) I can see why he was positive in the pen at the end of the day.

Their may not be many photos at the moment, my Samsung Galaxy Tab is not enjoying running my photo editing software on 6000x4000 shots.


Thanx Scot.

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This, under nose of Ferrari seems to have some kind of perforated sheets that leaks the air... especially directly where it contacts side pods it is even looks like made out of metal sheets. Doing perforated carbon sheets on 3d bend surface will be a mad man's job, ...
If it is, I am associating it with the nose slots. Interestingly at the point of the floor I see some kinda outlet...