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#101 turssi

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 16:46

I'm basing this on conglomerate times of each of the three testing weeks:

Pole Position goes to: FELIPE MASSA (fastest 1st test, fourth fastest in 3rd test)
Closely followed by NICO ROSBERG (fastest one week with sixth and eighth for the other weeks)

Second row: FERNANDO ALONSO and KIMI RAIKKONEN
Third row: SERGIO PEREZ and ROMAIN GROSJEAN
Fourth row: NICO HULKENBERG and ADRIAN SUTIL
Fifth row: SEBASTIAN VETTEL and LEWIS HAMILTON
Sixth row: JENSON BUTTON and ESTEBAN GUTIERREZ
Seventh row: JEAN-ERIC VERGNE and PASTOR MALDONADO
Eighth row: PAUL Di RESTA and VALTTERI BOTTAS

The rest fail to qualify (including Mark Webber who failed to record a top-10 time for each of the three testing weeks)!

Edited by turssi, 03 March 2013 - 16:50.


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#102 TomNokoe

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 16:50

Hamilton and Vettel on the front row. Don't know which order.

#103 jjcale

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 17:10

Going out on a limb at the front but ... I dont think Ross is the kind to show his hand so fully so I am guessing there is still a bit in reserve over at Merc.

1. NR
2. LH
3. SV
4. RG
5. MW
6. KR
7. FA
8. JB
9. FM
10. SP
11. PM
12. AS
13. PdR
14. NH
15. VB
15. EG
17. DR
18. JV
19. JB
20. CP
21. GvdG
22. MC

Edited by jjcale, 03 March 2013 - 17:26.


#104 PoleMan

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 17:24

Alright, testing's over, so time to man up! :lol:

Pole: Lewis Hamilton
Outside Pole: Fernando Alonso

3) Grosjean
4) Vettel
5) Rosberg
6) Massa
7) Webber
8) Raikkonen
9) Button
10) Perez
11) Sutil
12) Maldonado
13) Vergne
14) Ricciardo
15) Hulkenberg
16) Bottas
17) DiResta
18) Guttierez
19) Bianchi
20) Chilton
21) Pic
22) Van de Garde

* Caveat: At least one of the top 5 teams will have a technical failure during quali, but I don't want to name anyone as karma will have it be my fave driver. :D


#105 r4mses

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 17:37

Hamilton and Vettel on the front row. Don't know which order.


at least you know who'll be in the frist row - that's more then anyone else knows ,)

#106 Juan Kerr

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 19:36

Where's that idiot that laughed because I predicted Hamilton and Rosberg might make the front row in Oz last week? Still laughing are you?? It might not be exactly correct what the outcome will be (as we all know!) but I think I might get a bit more respect now ;)

#107 Mc_Silver

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 19:56

Where's that idiot that laughed because I predicted Hamilton and Rosberg might make the front row in Oz last week? Still laughing are you?? It might not be exactly correct what the outcome will be (as we all know!) but I think I might get a bit more respect now ;)


It's too early to get excited about Mercedes's competitiveness

#108 olliek88

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 19:58

Where's that idiot that laughed because I predicted Hamilton and Rosberg might make the front row in Oz last week? Still laughing are you?? It might not be exactly correct what the outcome will be (as we all know!) but I think I might get a bit more respect now ;)



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#109 Obi Offiah

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 19:58

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#110 sopa

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 19:59

People will or will not be laughing at the end of the season. I remember last year the qualifying for Australian Grand Prix. Yes, in Q2 Rosberg and Schumacher were 1st and 2nd! And I was thinking - wow, is Mercedes so good they are going to fight for the title? Meanwhile Alonso was out in Q2 and Vettel somewhere around 5th. In the end the latter two fought for the title.

#111 SirT

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 20:06

1. Grosjean
2. Vettel
3. Alonso
4. Hamilton
5. Kimi
6. Webber
7. Rosberg
8. Button
9. Hulkenberg
10. Massa
11. Sutil
12. Perez
13. Maldonado
14. Di Resta
15. Bottas
16. Ricciardo
17. Guttierez
18. Vergne
19. Bianchi
20. Chilton
21. Pic
22. van de Garde

#112 jrg19

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 20:07

After China last year I was under the impression McLaren would have a year long battle with Mercedes.

Most important part of F1 is staying competitive.

#113 charly0418

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 20:56

Where's that idiot that laughed because I predicted Hamilton and Rosberg might make the front row in Oz last week? Still laughing are you?? It might not be exactly correct what the outcome will be (as we all know!) but I think I might get a bit more respect now ;)


It wasn't me but I still think its a stupid prediction. I'll be here eating crow if they do :)

Edited by charly0418, 03 March 2013 - 20:56.


#114 Juan Kerr

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 21:17

It wasn't me but I still think its a stupid prediction. I'll be here eating crow if they do :)

Well it's always stupid to believe that your prediction will be right but you have to put people somewhere and it it's a points competition like guess the grid if you get it reasonably right more than anyone else you win even if you are a couple out or one out in each position. So since it's just a prediction someone has to be chosen for pole so why just go off last years form? I'd rather follow driver form and a bit of form from testing hence why I think it is more likely than any other outcome that Hamilton will be on pole or at least right up there. This is what I thought long before this weeks testing. Vettel could be anything from 1st to 10th so could Alonso so could Massa, Button, Perez et al but I'm sure Hamilton will be very high up and Rosberg is very very good over one lap as a driver also.


#115 charly0418

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 21:50

Well it's always stupid to believe that your prediction will be right but you have to put people somewhere and it it's a points competition like guess the grid if you get it reasonably right more than anyone else you win even if you are a couple out or one out in each position. So since it's just a prediction someone has to be chosen for pole so why just go off last years form? I'd rather follow driver form and a bit of form from testing hence why I think it is more likely than any other outcome that Hamilton will be on pole or at least right up there. This is what I thought long before this weeks testing. Vettel could be anything from 1st to 10th so could Alonso so could Massa, Button, Perez et al but I'm sure Hamilton will be very high up and Rosberg is very very good over one lap as a driver also.


We don't know driver form atm, all we can do is base it off last years. And basing EVERYTHING off this years testing is not very smart. Last years cars are still the benchmark to compare cars and Mercedes was well behind the pace of the leaders, I do believe they have improved but I think they've only matched Lotus in pace for now.

I hate to say it but the Bull is without a doubt still the best.

#116 ferrarijon123

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 21:54

1. Vettel
2. Webber
3. Button
4. Alonso
5. Raikkonen
6. Hamilton
7. Rosberg
8. Massa
9. Grosjean
10. Perez
11. Maldonado
12. Hulkenberg
13. Sutil
14. Bottas
15. Di Resta
16. Ricciardo
17. Gutierrez
18. Vergne
19. Bianchi
20. Pic
21. Van Der Garde
22. Chilton

#117 charly0418

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 22:03

1. Vettel
2. Webber
3. Button
4. Alonso
5. Raikkonen
6. Hamilton
7. Rosberg
8. Massa
9. Grosjean
10. Perez
11. Maldonado
12. Hulkenberg
13. Sutil
14. Bottas
15. Di Resta
16. Ricciardo
17. Gutierrez
18. Vergne
19. Bianchi
20. Pic
21. Van Der Garde
22. Chilton



Love this one


#118 LH08WDC

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 22:10

1. Vettel
2. Button
3. Webber
4. Alonso
5. Raikkonen
6. Hamilton
7. Rosberg
8. Grosjean
9. Massa
10. Perez
11. Hulkenburg
12. Maldonado
13. Bottas
14. Di Resta
15. Sutil
16. Ricciardo
17. Gutierrez
18. Vergne
19. Pic
20. Van der Garde
21. Bianchi
22. Chilton

#119 InSearchOfThe

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 22:31

No predicting about it. All guesswork.

1)GRO 2)HAM
3)VET 4)BUT
5)RAI 6)ALO
7)ROS 8)WEB
9)MAS 10)PER
11)HUL 12)MAL
13)RIC 14)BOT
15)PdR 16)SUT
17)VER 18)GUT
19)BIA 20)PIC
21)VdG 22)CHI

This might change after Fp1. A post test guess, if you will.

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#120 jrg19

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 22:49

Two weeks away but forecast (yes it will change) currently stands at high of 23oC not the high temperatures you sometimes get in Melbourne.

#121 Rosberg

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 23:04

Very, very hard to predict at the moment, especially after Barcelona! Really can't wait for the season to start!

#122 Juan Kerr

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 23:13

We don't know driver form atm, all we can do is base it off last years. And basing EVERYTHING off this years testing is not very smart. Last years cars are still the benchmark to compare cars and Mercedes was well behind the pace of the leaders, I do believe they have improved but I think they've only matched Lotus in pace for now.

I hate to say it but the Bull is without a doubt still the best.

I base my predictions off all the information I have digested that is available from 1984-2013 not just this years testing, I don't remember saying that I did that either.

#123 Obi Offiah

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 23:20

I base my predictions off all the information I have digested that is available from 1984-2013 not just this years testing, I don't remember saying that I did that either.

I hope it doesn't give you indigestion Juan Kerr, as I find your prediction very agreeable. :)

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 23:24



1. Hamilton---If the merc is as good as it currently looks expect a bagful of poles from LH this year.

2. Alonso---The prancing horse is looking awesome this year!

3. Rosberg---A match for LH, espercially in 1-lap pace.

4. Massa---Who knows which brazilian will turn up this year?

5. Webber---Stolid aussie, always flatters to deceive at the beginning of the year.

6. Vettel--when the car is not quite there as seems to be the case, SV does tend to concentrate on the race.

7. Button--Not a great qualifier except the car is awesomely above the others. Not the case this year, it seems

8. Grosjean---A quick roadster, should be faster than his teammate in quali this year. With less mistakes & more race-pace who knows how the intra-team battle will turn out?

9. Perez---An unknown quantity.

10. Raikkonen---Was steady least year. Hope he can be spectacular this year. However, the car has underwhelmed thus far.

11. Maldonado---Fast but accident prone.

12. Hulkenberg---Deserves a better car

13. Sutil--wellcome back!


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 19:38

Gary Anderson's predicted grid.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/21660055

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 19:42

Gary Anderson's predicted grid.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/21660055

Ok, competition is over... Since we know the starting grid, there is no point to guess anymore... :p

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 19:47

Gary Anderson's predicted grid.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/21660055

And in GA's parallel universe, Rosberg just got pole. Didn't really see that coming.

#128 Mc_Silver

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 20:05

Gary Anderson's predicted grid.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/21660055


Mercedes WDC and WCC :lol:

#129 SR388

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 20:10

Mercedes WDC and WCC :lol:


Is that impossible?

#130 Anderis

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 20:13

More surprising thing is that Marussia and Caterham are going to challenge Toro Rosso.;)

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 20:49

A Toro Rosso 2 tenths behind a Marussia? No offence to the fans or employees of Marussia but unless something goes horribly wrong there's no way thats going to happen!

#132 Juan Kerr

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 20:57

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Button
4. Massa
5. Vettel
6. Alonso
7. Raikkonen
8. Webber
9. Grosjean
10. Perez
11. Sutil
12. Hulkenberg
13. Ricciardo
14. Maldonado
15. Vergne
16. di Resta
17. BOTTAS
18. Gutierrez
19. Pic
20. Bianchi
21. van der Garde
22. Chilton

I've had to adjust because of new driver swaps.

Not so implausible now really is it.

#133 eronrules

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 21:01

Is that impossible?


no, but do you expect RBR/ferrari/mcl/lotus to suck their thumb and give up??? logic my dear fellow, it's not DDD era, expect subtle RBR domination :smoking:

#134 Markn93

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 21:02

Not so implausible now really is it.

:)

#135 charly0418

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 21:20

Thats a fairly conservative prediction, I can agree with it to some degree. But putting Ricciardo behind Bianchi and Pic is just sad. Seriously, what the hell

#136 SamH123

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 21:30

Thats a fairly conservative prediction, I can agree with it to some degree. But putting Ricciardo behind Bianchi and Pic is just sad. Seriously, what the hell


He should have emphasised that his analysis was more classical (an analysis simply of the data in front of him) than bayesian (using prior beliefs to come to your conclusion, like we all do in this thread, e.g. Marussia are a minnow)

I imagine he doesn't actually think Marussia>TR but he wrote the article a bit like his mock grid was his best guess...

#137 BullHead

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 21:32

Vettel-----------
--------Hamilton
Alonso-----------
---------Webber
Button-----------
--------Raikkonen

That's as far as I'm willing to go! Maybe Rosberg instead of Button or Raikkonen

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 22:23

no, but do you expect RBR/ferrari/mcl/lotus to suck their thumb and give up??? logic my dear fellow, it's not DDD era, expect subtle RBR domination :smoking:


I never said that other teams would necessarily be caught off guard, although it does happen (Ferrari 2011). I was just asking if he thought it was impossible for the Merc to be a WDC & WCC contender, which he seemed to find ridiculous.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 10:32

Thats a fairly conservative prediction, I can agree with it to some degree. But putting Ricciardo behind Bianchi and Pic is just sad. Seriously, what the hell


I'm glad I ain't the only one thinking about that! I can see Toro Rosso doing quite well in the first few races.

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#140 undersquare

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 14:31

Vettel-----------
--------Hamilton
Alonso-----------
---------Webber
Button-----------
--------Raikkonen

That's as far as I'm willing to go! Maybe Rosberg instead of Button or Raikkonen


Yeah the drivers will make the difference I think, more than most years.

I go:

Hamilton
Alonso
Vettel
Raikkonen
Rosberg
Webber

#141 Zoetrope

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 14:52

1. Jenson Button McLaren
2. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull
3. Mark Webber Red Bull
4. Romain Grosjean Lotus
5. Fernando Alonso Ferrari
6. Sergio Perez McLaren
7. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
8. Nico Rosberg Mercedes
9. Adrian Sutil Force India
10. Felipe Massa Ferrari

Sorry Kimi fans :lol:

#142 ruby soho

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 15:02

1. Jenson Button McLaren
2. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull
3. Mark Webber Red Bull
4. Romain Grosjean Lotus
5. Fernando Alonso Ferrari
6. Sergio Perez McLaren
7. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
8. Nico Rosberg Mercedes
9. Adrian Sutil Force India
10. Felipe Massa Ferrari

Sorry Kimi fans :lol:


1. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus
2. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull
3. Mark Webber Red Bull
4. Romain Grosjean Lotus
5. Fernando Alonso Ferrari
6. Sergio Perez McLaren
7. Valtteri Bottas Williams
8. Nico Rosberg Mercedes
9. Adrian Sutil Force India
10. Felipe Massa Ferrari

Sorry Lewis or Button fans ;)

Edited by ruby soho, 05 March 2013 - 15:26.


#143 Arion

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 15:05

1. Kimi Raikkonen McLaren
2. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull
3. Mark Webber Red Bull
4. Romain Grosjean Lotus
5. Fernando Alonso Ferrari
6. Sergio Perez McLaren
7. Valtteri Bottas Mercedes
8. Nico Rosberg Mercedes
9. Adrian Sutil Force India
10. Felipe Massa Ferrari

Sorry Lewis or Button fans ;)


you forgot to change the team names.... :lol:

#144 trogggy

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 15:07

1. Kimi Raikkonen McLaren
2. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull
3. Mark Webber Red Bull
4. Romain Grosjean Lotus
5. Fernando Alonso Ferrari
6. Sergio Perez McLaren
7. Valtteri Bottas Mercedes
8. Nico Rosberg Mercedes
9. Adrian Sutil Force India
10. Felipe Massa Ferrari

Sorry Lewis or Button fans ;)

You should be, taking JB's drive away.

Edited by trogggy, 05 March 2013 - 15:08.


#145 ruby soho

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 15:27

You should be, taking JB's drive away.


you forgot to change the team names.... lol.gif


:lol: I also had Bottas at Mercedes ;)

#146 Obi Offiah

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 16:46

Is that impossible?

Depends on which universe your referring to.

#147 senna da silva

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 16:49

McLaren - 1:24.0
Mercedes - 1:24.2
Red Bull - 1:24.5
Ferrari - 1:24.6
Lotus - 1:24.9

Button
Hamilton
Rosberg
Perez
Vettel
Alonso
Webber
Kimi
Grosjean
Hulkenberg

Edited by senna da silva, 05 March 2013 - 16:53.


#148 Obi Offiah

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 16:51

I can see your getting brave, predicting times as well. :)

#149 senna da silva

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 16:54

I can see your getting brave, predicting times as well. :)


I've been doing some brave interpolation. :p

#150 Lone

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 17:03

1) Rosberg
2) Alonso
3) Massa
4) Räikkonen
5) Hamilton
6) Button
7) Grosjean
8) Webber
9) Hulkenberg
10) Vettel

Edited by Lone, 05 March 2013 - 17:05.