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#51 Tenmantaylor

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 14:56

Interesting how we feel sorry for the tall drivers in F1 but everyone loves a tiny horse jockey and it's accepted in horse racing. Really though their is a lot more technical scope to level the playing field in F1. They could mandate the minimum mass of the contents of the safety cell so the lighter drivers need to carry a ballast as close to their own Cof G as possible, probably the lower back. Or use as a booster seat :) Lighter drivers have quite an advantage if the ballast their lack of weight allows can be positioned anywhere on the car to improve balance.


I'm still pulling for a minimum driver-and-seat weight as opposed to driver-and-car.


Beat me to it ;) (Havn't got time to read today!)

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#52 E.B.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 15:08

I was trying to find the height of Stirling Moss as he must be pretty tiny.


Stood next to him too, I'd say as little as 157cm, although he has a stoop these days. I read somewhere that he was 5'7" (170cm) in his younger days.



#53 SR388

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 15:12

So I don't think my 6'5" (1.98m) frame would ever fit in an F1 car. Good to know.

#54 boldhakka

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 15:18

Interesting. But the numbers look off, both some of the weights and heights.

#55 Amphicar

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 15:56

So I don't think my 6'5" (1.98m) frame would ever fit in an F1 car. Good to know.

6'5" would be tricky but Dan Gurney, Mike Parkes and Justin Wilson were all around the 6'4" mark. Dan Gurney's height famously required the insertion of a "bubble" in the roof of the Ford MkIV he and AJ Foyt drove to victory in the 1967 Le Mans 24 Hrs

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 21:15

Button is listed as 1.82 at most places, Vettel as 1.76 (hence some here think Hamilton is shorter than 1.74) and Grosjean at weighing around 70kgs.

I wonder what the largest height difference is between teammates in recent history, and whether it comes into play when a team selects a driver.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 21:23

Button is listed as 1.82 at most places, Vettel as 1.76 (hence some here think Hamilton is shorter than 1.74) and Grosjean at weighing around 70kgs.

I wonder what the largest height difference is between teammates in recent history, and whether it comes into play when a team selects a driver.

I don't know if it really is the largest height difference in the last years, but I remember how the size and weight difference between Kubica and Heidfeld was quite a challenge for BMW, I remember Dr. Mario Theissen talking about it on TV a few times, specially during 2009 and those very heavy KERS.

The last example of the size of a driver causing headaches to a team happened just a couple of weeks ago when they discovered Nico H├╝lkenberg didn't really fit into the cockpit and they had to 'reduce' his driving shoes' heels.

Edit: I misspelled Theissen's familyname, I was thinking about the elevator in my building :blush:

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#58 Risil

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 21:39

Dan Gurney's height famously required the insertion of a "bubble" in the roof of the Ford MkIV he and AJ Foyt drove to victory in the 1967 Le Mans 24 Hrs

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I understood that the bubble was made by Dan Gurney's head when he heard AJ was going to be partnering him for 1967.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 21:48

I applaud the effort but I can't see Kimi being 62KG?

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#60 Puhoon

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 22:02

Bottas is a real lard ar**.


Alonso is almost as fat.

Maybe that's why he missed the first test.

#61 karne

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:01

So I don't think my 6'5" (1.98m) frame would ever fit in an F1 car. Good to know.


Gerhard Berger was 6'6", wasn't he?

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:13

Gerhard Berger was 6'6", wasn't he?



No way.

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http://wiki.answers...._Gerhard_Berger

#63 karne

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:18

http://wiki.answers...._Gerhard_Berger


Oh wow, he always looked like he was unfolding himself from his car whenever he climbed out of that Ferrari.

Ayrton Senna must have been a midget.

#64 Wander

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:34

Edit: No way is that height for Berger correct. He must be over 180cm, looking at a picture of him and Senna side by side (as Senna was apparently around 171cm). Most sources seem to put Berger at around 6 feet (183-185cm)

Edited by Wander, 26 February 2013 - 03:42.


#65 SR388

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:41

Edit: No way is that height for Berger correct. He must be over 180cm, looking at a picture of him and Senna side by side (as Senna is apparently around 171cm).


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5'9" is still tiny.

#66 Alfisti

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:13

Height/weight are not always a give away. Look at Webber and Button, very similar numbers all round but Webber looks far more underweight as I suspect he is naturally just a heavier set guy than Button so Button looks ok but webber looks malnourished.

Someone is lying about Kimi's weight.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:35

I think 1.74 for Lewis is a bit generous. Jenson at 1.83 towers over him. Also, Vettel is taller than Lewis.

http://www.zimbio.co...ing/EzYzPpAkcly

That's just the hair I think. :p
EDIT: Actually, nevermind, after a better second look at that picture, it's safe to say that Seb is at least 2-3 cm taller than Lewis, unless they're wearing completely different shoe heights.

Grosjean is scary skinny. 1.81 m and only 60 is about equal to my BMI, and I'm only 17.

Bottas seems rather a bit chubby, but judging by the fact that he does triathlons, he is likely one of the fittest guys on the grid -- the more common scenario is, that he's probably jacked with muscle.

Webber and Button are still the alpha males when it comes down to raw fitness, height and athletic looks.

Edited by Kingshark, 26 February 2013 - 04:41.


#68 pinkypants

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:39

Lewis is no more than 5"8 - he looks more like 5"7. We met him at Mercedes World at few years ago and i was surprised at how short he is :)

#69 vlado

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:41

Bmi calculations for athletes are kind tricky, but ya Grosjean seem rather underweight..

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:43

I don't believe for a second gro is 60kg



#71 Kingshark

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:46

Lewis is no more than 5"8 - he looks more like 5"7. We met him at Mercedes World at few years ago and i was surprised at how short he is :)

You should know that F1 drivers are like WWE wrestlers; they like to over-exaggerate their size and weight to make themselves appear more fierce to the competition.

Wasn't Andre The Giant listed at 7'5" (226 cm) once? :lol:

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 05:26

Timo Glock was like the dwarf under the F1 drivers but he is gone :(

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but there it is really obvious

#73 BigCHrome

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 05:42

Lewis is no more than 5"8 - he looks more like 5"7. We met him at Mercedes World at few years ago and i was surprised at how short he is :)


5'8 around 1.72 m.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 06:02

They could mandate the minimum mass of the contents of the safety cell so the lighter drivers need to carry a ballast as close to their own Cof G as possible, probably the lower back. Or use as a booster


They could also make taller players in the NBA wear lead shoes, and make heavier guys in the NFL not wear cleats, to make it "fair".

Racing is one of the few sports where the small guy has an inherent advantage, it's funny how people want to nullify it but not the other way around.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:24

They could also make taller players in the NBA wear lead shoes, and make heavier guys in the NFL not wear cleats, to make it "fair".

Racing is one of the few sports where the small guy has an inherent advantage, it's funny how people want to nullify it but not the other way around.


The problem is the perception that you have to be small to have a future in racing is incredibly off-putting for youngsters. F1 should not be a jockey's sport.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:38

The problem is the perception that you have to be small to have a future in racing is incredibly off-putting for youngsters. F1 should not be a jockey's sport.


It's not a very accurate perception, considering the cars are like ~30 kg heavier than they were 6 years ago. If fat drivers could be competitive then, it doesn't matter now.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:04

I've always wondered if those weights include helmets and other personal racing equipment the drivers use. I'd say no but does anyone know better?

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:44

I've always wondered if those weights include helmets and other personal racing equipment the drivers use. I'd say no but does anyone know better?


I was wondering the same.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 13:13

how come felipe massa is 1.66m 60kg and grosjean is 1.81m 60kg ? it is either grosjean is that thin or massa is that fat . and that;s not the case

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#80 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 13:17

Massa doesn't look lean though.

And while Grosjean looks thin, not 60kg thin. You'd be able to see the veins in his cheek muscles if he was that light at that height.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 13:29

Gilles Villenenuve - 1.57


Although I can't claim to have stood next to Gilles in the last few months, I still think we can safely say this one's bollocks.

One of my books (maybe the Donaldson bio?) gives 1.69m, which is sensible when I think back to a pic I've seen that features Gilles and Mario walking down a pitlane together - if anything Gilles looks a tiny bit taller than Mario, who is often quoted as being 5'6" (1.68m).




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Posted 26 February 2013 - 14:08

They could also make taller players in the NBA wear lead shoes, and make heavier guys in the NFL not wear cleats, to make it "fair".

Racing is one of the few sports where the small guy has an inherent advantage, it's funny how people want to nullify it but not the other way around.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 14:12

I've always wondered if those weights include helmets and other personal racing equipment the drivers use. I'd say no but does anyone know better?


I really doubt that many of those stats take account of anything meaningful. They certainly don't get updated much, whatever the sources may be. Pretty sure that Alonso's weight has been given as 68kgs for his whole career, for instance, despite him getting noticeably thinner-looking as the years have gone by.

#84 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 14:26

He could still be 68kg though, just with less fat and more muscle.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 23:14

Drivers weight doesn't matter once they're in F1, but it does matter on the ladder up to F1. A few kilos make quite a difference on a kart. So the smaller, lighter drivers tend to make it through more often. Of course there's no way for us to know if the relative sizes between these drivers was the same during their childhood.

#86 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 23:20

I think that's more true in karting. In Formula racing the weight limits are higher than most drivers, even tall ones.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 23:48

Nick Heidfeld was also on the small side right? I remember seeing him signing autographs at Melbourne one year and couldn't believe how little he looked infront of all the fans!

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 05:13

It's not a very accurate perception, considering the cars are like ~30 kg heavier than they were 6 years ago. If fat drivers could be competitive then, it doesn't matter now.


Fat drivers still have to work their way up through junior formulae and karts.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 05:18

And while Grosjean looks thin, not 60kg thin. You'd be able to see the veins in his cheek muscles if he was that light at that height.

That's over exaggerating.

I'm about 180 cm and 61 kg myself. Trust me, we're not that anorexic!


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Posted 27 February 2013 - 07:43

Fat drivers still have to work their way up through junior formulae and karts.


True, but the margins there are bigger. Also, since they are still young, the height/weight ratio isn't as skewed towards height like it would be for someone like Webber. I mean yes, if you're grossly overweight/obese, you are at a disadvantage at which point professional racing is probably not in your future.

That's over exaggerating.

I'm about 180 cm and 61 kg myself. Trust me, we're not that anorexic!


Didn't you say that you're quite young? There's a difference between a teenager weighing 60 kg and an adult weighing 60 kg.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 07:51

The BMI is a load of complete nonsense

Agree.

Strange thread this! You should all know that you cant compare like you do as all people are different.
And it's impossible to determine how healthy they are just by studying lengths and weights, not even using photos.



#92 Nemo1965

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 08:02


Eh...

I thought that nowadays the minimum weight of F1 cars was including the driver. That is why the drivers are weighed after the race, aren't they? So being heavier than the next one makes much less difference than in the early days. The lighter the driver is, the easier you can use ballast around the car for the balance... but Sutils claim about the seven tenths can't be right in that light...



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Posted 27 February 2013 - 08:11

Nine of 21 are 180+ and people are saying that F1 drivers are short :D Only Ferrari drivers are really short now.


i'm also surprised at how many are of average height and above. it's in contrast to an amusing quote after a massive pile-up at turn 1 of one aus GP, when the group of drivers sprinting to the pits to get their second cars was compared to a horse race without the horses (think about it).

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:22

Eh...

I thought that nowadays the minimum weight of F1 cars was including the driver. That is why the drivers are weighed after the race, aren't they? So being heavier than the next one makes much less difference than in the early days. The lighter the driver is, the easier you can use ballast around the car for the balance... but Sutils claim about the seven tenths can't be right in that light...


He didn't say seven tenths! he said about a tenth for 7kg, which seems plausible to me. For comparison to just weight and not ballast advantage, I've often read that 10kg of fuel is about 0.3s.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:38

Kimi's weight is 70kg now? What was it the start of last year? As he seemed to have piled on the pounds in his WRC years.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:25

first pics of kimi when he was announced lotus driver in novemeber 2011 wouldn't say that kimi is 60 kg , never

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:50

Kimi must be around 70kg. 62 never.

#98 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:54

That Kimi photo is avatar-worthy. :lol:

#99 Rubens Hakkamacher

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 15:13

The problem is the perception that you have to be small to have a future in racing is incredibly off-putting for youngsters. F1 should not be a jockey's sport.


So what? "You have to be tall to have a future in basketball, and that is incredibly off putting".

The only real important thing is *you have to be rich*.




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Posted 06 March 2013 - 15:16

So what? "You have to be tall to have a future in basketball, and that is incredibly off putting".

The only real important thing is *you have to be rich*.


True for the most part. I doubt any youngster has been put off because of the thought that they need to be small.