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[kosmos]

http://www.auto-moto...fotoshow_item=1

[One]

Suzuka has got only 1!

This is strange! Could imagine betwen spoon and 130R do get another chance...

Monaco has onely one, but O could imagine, imean imagine donno if it makes any change, to make straight after casino DRS zone as well.

Spa, huuummm, ... at srond brancimont?

[Atreiu]

Maybe they don't want to risk any failure before or at 130R, as in Eau Rouge.

[Skinnyguy]

The consecutive two zones layout is irritating for me. Brazil didn´t need the main straight DRS zone, and Sepang doesn´t need the double zone either. Canada is another example. There should be at least 3 corners between zones. If there´s not, stick to one zone.

[Harry]

Wasn't there a zone last year at spoon and 130R? I think there was and if I remember correctly they were saying in last years coverage of the race that the Red Bull was able to through 130R with the wing open whereas other cars weren't. It could have been qualifying though and not the race.

[Kvothe]

I have mixed feelings about the introduction of second DRS zones at tracks such as China, Canada and Brazil, where there was such close racing last year without it, making passes very gimmicky, however I could be wrong since with the FIA isolating DRS use to just one or two zones, its highly likely teams are going to start gearing their cars lower to compensate for the loss of acceleration that the DRS gave them, which in turn will have a knock on effect on straight line speed and consequently overtaking which would thus make the introduction of second zones a fairly good idea.

Whatever the outcome they'll still be complaints (and threads) about either not enough overtaking or too much overtaking.

[chrisblades85]

Is this official?

[ArkZ]

Wasn't there a zone last year at spoon and 130R? I think there was and if I remember correctly they were saying in last years coverage of the race that the Red Bull was able to through 130R with the wing open whereas other cars weren't. It could have been qualifying though and not the race.

All top teams were able to run DRS in 130r.

[FPV GTHO]

Albert Park - DRS on main straight only serves to move the car closer for the 2nd zone, entry and exit speed onto the straight is too high for overtaking normally. I'd prefer to see something going into T13
Sepang - I'd prefer something into T4
Shanghai - Theres at least a couple of corners between so it should work. Maybe something into T6 could work
Bahrain - Really dont get the idea of the 2nd zone. Seems too short and the exit speed isnt that low. Into T4 and T14 seems so obvious.
Barcelona - They didnt really have much choice here
Monaco - I wouldve loved to see them at least consider something here, maybe something into Massenet
Montreal - Something out the back, maybe into T8 or T10 wouldve been interesting
Silverstone - I think this one is nice - spaced out and on major straights. The second zone might not be effective though.
Nurburgring - This one seems like one of the more daring choices with the second zone. Something into T11 might have been interesting
Hungaroring - I dont see the point of the 2nd zone here, why not into T5
Spa - I wouldve liked to see something come up to T18 through Blanchimont
Monza - This should work, nicely spaced as well
Marina Bay - Maybe something into T14 couldve worked better than the start finish straight.
Yeongam - The 2nd zone seems pretty overkill, maybe having the second zone into T4 wouldve been better.
Suzuka - I think something into 130R shouldve been possible
Buddh - Not much else choice
Abu Dhabi - Maybe something into T5 couldve worked
Austin - Kinda obvious but nicely spaced at least.
Sao Paulo - Not much choice

[TFLB]

Damn, I was hoping they'd forget about the whole stupid thing.

[BigCHrome]

I hate DRS. It makes close racing a joke.

Tracks like Nurburgring, Montreal, Spa, Brazil, Shanghai had much more interesting races without that garbage.

Edited by BigCHrome, 07 March 2013 - 04:47.

[Kingshark]

What's the point of that joke of a second DRS zone in Hungary. Really?

2 DRS zones equals almost no DRS zones. If one driver passes in the first zone, the other driver can easily re-take the position in the second one.

[TFLB]

What's the point of that joke of a second DRS zone in Hungary. Really?

2 DRS zones equals almost no DRS zones. If one driver passes in the first zone, the other driver can easily re-take the position in the second one.

But there'll probably only be one detection point, so the driver who's been overtaken won't be able to fight back.

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

It's daft to have 2 zones so close together where you can only really have 1 detection zone.

Canada as an example, alot of cars will pass into the final chicane using DRS, and will then get DRS again on the pit straight to help pull away, which is completely unfair in my view, unless they've found some magical way of being able to stop the DRS being deployed in zone 2 if you've already passed someone in zone 1, which I doubt.

Malaysia too for the same reason.

Nurburgring would surely require a 2nd detection point on the entry to the final corner otherwise that could theoretically have the same issue as the 2 races mentioned above.

The 2nd Hungary zone seems a bit pointless, and again only has 1 detection point.

Korea also has the issue of only 1 detection point.

Japan I thought they may have gone for a 2nd zone either heading to Spoon corner, or the exit of it down towards 130R (but possibly ending it before the corner itself?)

Abu Dhabi requires a 2nd detection point somewhere between the end of DRS zone 1 and the start of DRS zone 2 otherwise you could end up with the same issue as the first 2 races I mentioned.

[TheWilliamzer]

haha! the T2 - T3 zone of Hungaroring is epic..

[noikeee]

Australia: may make passing slightly too easy with both zones next to each other, but it's fair enough.

Malaysia: no way should there be 2 zones next to each other, 1 should suffice it's an easy circuit to pass.

China: same as for Malaysia, unnecessary, it was too easy already last year.

Bahrain: fair but there won't be any passing in the 2nd zone.

Barcelona: same as Bahrain.

Monaco: no other option really and there still won't be any passing, certainly the biggest overtaking challenge of the year. It's great they have DRS there it'd be impossible to pass into T1 without it, it's still almost impossible with it you need massive balls.

Canada: 2nd zone is unnecessary, too easy and shouldn't be consecutive, passing into the final chicane should already be doable.

Silverstone: a fair use of 2 zones. With all the quick corners you do need DRS to pass, should be a nice compromise between a challenge and a chance to go for it.

Nurburgring: am leading towards thinking the 2 zones is a little excessive there, both corners at the end of the zones we've seen some overtaking even before the DRS era.

Hungaroring: the 2nd zone is taking the piss, that'll be in use for what, 3 seconds, they must be desperate for overtaking. It's still going to be a mighty challenge, not as much as Monaco but difficult. Under the current circumstances (easy passing every circuit) that is good, the odd rare race where passing is a challenge.

Spa: I'd scrap the T1 zone it's unnecessary, the 2nd zone is gigantic passing will be easy there, let them do the whole 7KM lap before getting the chance there. This way it's a tad easy.

Monza: Again 1 zone should be enough, this time I'd stick with the run to T1, you're not going to see much passing into Ascari (it's gonna take balls to overtake under braking there), but the existence of 2 zones will aid passing a bit too much.

Singapore: Probably a rare fair use of 2 zones, it's not an easy circuit to pass, we may only see moves in the backstraight, the 1st zone won't see many moves but will help to catch up as any help is good here.

Korea: I'd scrap the first zone, it's gonna make passing very easy into the backstraight.

Suzuka: They must be scared of 130R shunts to drop the zone there. The 1st zone is not enough to get passing, we may end up with a boring race there. However a zone into T1 means the moves should happen there and any move there is absolutely spectacular! Fair enough but a little on the too difficult side.

India: Probably slightly too easy with the 2 zones but still fair enough I haven't seen much passing at this circuit if I remember right.

Abu Dhabi: far too easy, this is just like Malaysia and China, don't put 2 consecutive zones on massive straights.

Austin: pretty obvious and fair enough but I'd still scrap the first zone, let them work their way up to keeping close into the backstraight.

Interlagos: fair enough but I'd still be okay with 1 zone less, passing into T1 should be very easy, that already had passing prior to DRS.

So overall I think they're having a bit too much DRS but I am assuming the racing dynamics will be similar to last year, when to be honest we don't know given the qualy tweaks (forbidden DRS out of the zones), that may make setups for top speed less appealling therefore making DRS less effective. That's probably the line of thinking, if DRS is going to be less effective then I guess it's okay, if it remains the same I think overall they're overdoing it, it looks excessive particularly when it's in 2 consecutive very large straights like Malaysia, China and Abu Dhabi.

[AlexS]

I guess putting the sport into disruption can be done if you are the FIA

Stop this hideous anti sport thing please...

[crespo]

It was asked earlier, but wasn't answered: is this official?

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

Unsure Crespo, haven't seen it on the FIA site, but I suppose it could end up as stated on the german article. Oh and as far as Australia goes, did they have 2 there last season? Either way, the 1 on the pit straight didn't really help passing much, it more allowed cars to close up ready for making a move into turn 3. Turn 1 I'm sure didn't see many passes though, despite the DRS zone.

[crespo]

Thanks Huddersfield - Both were there last year and, IIRC, there were examples of both overtakes happening, into turn 1 (and then rocketing away in the second DRS), and into turn 3 (after using the first DRS zone to get in close). Should be OK, since they (FIA) should have enough experience now to determine how long the zones need to be to not make it too easy for the drivers.

I only wish there were confirmation that this were official. Last season, didn't they only announce the DRS zones a few weeks before each race?

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong there were some overtakes into both DRS zones last year, but into T1 especially, unless it was between cars with a big pace difference (either due to being slower generally, or due to tyres etc) there weren't too many and it just allowed them to close up (and thanks for confirming both zones were in place last year, as I knew the T1 zone was, but couldn't remember about the zone heading down to T3). Regarding when they were announced, from memory I think alot of them were announced in the week leading up to the race.

Edited by HuddersfieldTerrier1986, 07 March 2013 - 14:22.

[wingwalker]

How much of an epic fail is the Hungaroring second DRS zone? What were they thinking?

Edited by wingwalker, 07 March 2013 - 14:37.

[Afterburner]

Whenever they allowed a driver to use two different zones from one detection point, it made an absolute farce of the event because it was far too easy to pass, I thought. Heaven forbid we have any racing on track between cars--have the FIA yet to figure out that we can actually tell the difference between an ordinary pass and a DRS-assisted pass?

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

Whenever they allowed a driver to use two different zones from one detection point, it made an absolute farce of the event because it was far too easy to pass, I thought. Heaven forbid we have any racing on track between cars--have the FIA yet to figure out that we can actually tell the difference between an ordinary pass and a DRS-assisted pass?

Canada definitely the worst in that respect, as the zone is so big, and it's not overly difficult to pass into the final chicane anyway, especially if someone is on really old tyres compared to new tyres, you're going to pull out an enormous gap by the time you get to T1 if you pass in the first zone.

[charly0418]

What's the point of that joke of a second DRS zone in Hungary. Really?

2 DRS zones equals almost no DRS zones. If one driver passes in the first zone, the other driver can easily re-take the position in the second one.

The DRS zones that are back to back share 1 detection point. So if there's a pass on the 1st DRS Zone, the guy that got passed will not be bale to use it on the 2nd zone.

[DrProzac]

Damn, I was hoping they'd forget about the whole stupid thing.

[Jejking]

This can only work with two detection points. Man, the FIA shot themselves in the foot with this one... IF it's official. So, let me ask it too...

IS IT OFFICIAL OR NOT?

[ANF]

Between the lines it says, 'Official information from the FIA, exlusively at Auto Motor und Sport.' Sort of. http://www.auto-moto...13-6741817.html

[BigCHrome]

F1 is joining the lists of dumb sports that reward the rich and punish the poor. Pathetic and mindblowingly stupid.

But there'll probably only be one detection point, so the driver who's been overtaken won't be able to fight back.

Worst of all, the guy who passed in the first zone will be able to use DRS again to get EVEN further away. (Unless they changed that last year, don't remember)

Whenever they allowed a driver to use two different zones from one detection point, it made an absolute farce of the event because it was far too easy to pass, I thought. Heaven forbid we have any racing on track between cars--have the FIA yet to figure out that we can actually tell the difference between an ordinary pass and a DRS-assisted pass?

+1.

[Jejking]

With exactly equal tyres, I might even be okay with it. Problem is, there is pretty much always a couple of laps of difference in tyre life between drivers. The driver in front with slightly older tyres will simply be blasted away. There is no point in defending.

[Crossmax]

What's the point of that joke of a second DRS zone in Hungary. Really?

haha! the T2 - T3 zone of Hungaroring is epic..

How much of an epic fail is the Hungaroring second DRS zone? What were they thinking?

Maybe they want to give the teams an incentive to gear slightly longer so that DRS actually has some effect on the main straight...

[Rosberg]

At the moment, I'm not believing these reports until FIA confirm it. If it's true then it's very strange to see them confirm the DRS zones so early. Usually, it's like one week before the race weekend.

[Crossmax]

At the moment, I'm not believing these reports until FIA confirm it. If it's true then it's very strange to see them confirm the DRS zones so early. Usually, it's like one week before the race weekend.

The teams need to determine which gear ratios they will run during the season sometime before it starts. It might be due to this...

[crespo]

The teams need to determine which gear ratios they will run during the season sometime before it starts. It might be due to this...

Not really.. They have this data from having been on the tracks before and gear ratios can be changed relatively quickly. And as has just been mentioned, last season they only announced DRS zones a week or two before the races.

[F1ultimate]

At the moment, I'm not believing these reports until FIA confirm it. If it's true then it's very strange to see them confirm the DRS zones so early. Usually, it's like one week before the race weekend.

They are announcing double DRS zones early so that teams can develop their cars to take better advantage of DRS which in 2013 has reduced use in quali, so announcing two zones early is a way for the FIA not to write off DRS.

[Skinnyguy]

I think it will still be quite well balanced given:

1) Their experience setting the zones after 2 full seasons to learn.
2) The gearing will be slightly shorter due to qualifying restrictions. Limiters will be hit sooner, so deploying DRS will be less of an advantage than before. More zones + less speed advantage with DRS use makes sense.

This list was always (regardless of the content) going to cause the naysayers to cry given DRS is not exactly popular, but I can´t see anything wrong with their choices further than the few circuits where both zones are too close together.