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#1 Wiggy

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 19:45

http://www.f1sa.com/...c...&Itemid=157

Could be interesting, hope they get a good deal.

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#2 Peter Perfect

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 19:48

:lol: So the TV coverage wouldn't be able to include anything to do with Marussia? How are they going to show the start?!

#3 Rosberg

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 19:51

Didn't something similar happen to Force India at the Bahrain Grand Prix? Might be wrong about that.

As for the Marussia situation, it is confusing to see this but there is still another week to sort this out.

#4 jonpollak

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 20:01

As long as we get to see Chloe Roberts... I'm good.
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#5 BillyWhizz

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 20:09

Asked by ESPN whether the lack of provisions for images of the Marussia car and driver to be broadcast on television is a crucial missing element for Marussia just a week before opening practice in Australia, team boss John Booth answered: "No."

"It's vital for Bernie because he won't be able to film us without it."

Strong words there John.

No worries for Marussia at scrutiny then...



#6 BullHead

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 20:18

They're "very close" to signing something, and there's over a week yet, so.... won't be an issue.

#7 Sausage

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 20:22

Im sure the sponsors would love them to be invisible!. F1 can go a whole year without showing Marussia and while ridiculous there wouldn't be harm really. Marussia on the other hand would go broke within 2/3 races. So even saying it in jest is pretty out of this world let alone calling it "vital" for Bernie and using it to get a better deal.

#8 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 20:27

Im sure the sponsors would love them to be invisible!. F1 can go a whole year without showing Marussia and while ridiculous there wouldn't be harm really. Marussia on the other hand would go broke within 2/3 races. So even saying it in jest is pretty out of this world let alone calling it "vital" for Bernie and using it to get a better deal.

you wouldn't be able to broadcast 1 race without showing a glimpse of the car -> or they'll sue the heck out of you.
Can't even show the start without Marussia agreeing...so they hold the power here

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 20:30

Im sure the sponsors would love them to be invisible!. F1 can go a whole year without showing Marussia and while ridiculous there wouldn't be harm really. Marussia on the other hand would go broke within 2/3 races. So even saying it in jest is pretty out of this world let alone calling it "vital" for Bernie and using it to get a better deal.


Name one Marussia sponsor without looking them up.

Edited by Disgrace, 08 March 2013 - 20:31.


#10 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 20:35

Or even looking at the car.

#11 Kerch

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 20:37

Name one Marussia sponsor without looking them up.

Qnet?

#12 KavB

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 20:38

It would be impossible for Bernie to not sign with them. Imagine the outcry if we missed an amazing overtake for the lead on the final lap of the race, just because the leaders were lapping a Marussia at that very moment.

#13 george1981

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 20:42

Didn't something similar happen to Force India at the Bahrain Grand Prix? Might be wrong about that.

As for the Marussia situation, it is confusing to see this but there is still another week to sort this out.


I remember that, I thought it was rumoured to be because Vijay Mallya had fallen out with Bernie and Bernie punished him by barely showing his cars on track. Martin Brundle mentioned it during commentary.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 20:44

you wouldn't be able to broadcast 1 race without showing a glimpse of the car -> or they'll sue the heck out of you.
Can't even show the start without Marussia agreeing...so they hold the power here


Marussia holding power over Bernie? Yeah, no.

#15 Junky

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 20:48

Imagine that they lead the race...

#16 Kingshark

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 20:51

It would be impossible for Bernie to not sign with them. Imagine the outcry if we missed an amazing overtake for the lead on the final lap of the race, just because the leaders were lapping a Marussia at that very moment.

Too true.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 20:54

Qnet?


Lol, it's the only one I could think of, and I have the MR02 as my background.

#18 Fastcake

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 21:08

I call bull. There's no way you couldn't include a single image of Marussia.

Name one Marussia sponsor without looking them up.


Chilton's Dad?

#19 TFLB

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 21:11

Didn't something similar happen to Force India at the Bahrain Grand Prix? Might be wrong about that.

As for the Marussia situation, it is confusing to see this but there is still another week to sort this out.

Yes, I think it did happen to FI but for a different reason. They skipped FP2 to get away from the circuit safely, and FOM seemed to be annoyed about that and studiously avoided filming their cars for the rest of the weekend as a kind of punishment. That's what it seemed like anyway.

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#20 Coops3

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 21:19

It's stuff like this that is the scourge of F1. Either agree a deal well in advance of the start of the season, or don't let them race. And if you don't let them race, then on your head be it, because no teams = no F1.

#21 Risil

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 21:23

:lol:

#22 Deluxx

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 22:19

I remember that, I thought it was rumoured to be because Vijay Mallya had fallen out with Bernie and Bernie punished him by barely showing his cars on track. Martin Brundle mentioned it during commentary.


Hm, I thought it was because their convoy got firebombed.


Anyways this is just stupid. Marussia is obviously trying to negotiate a better deal with what ever leverage they can find, which honestly isn't much if you think about it.

Rofl, imagine FOM having to blur out the Marussia car every time it accidentally pops on screen.

#23 Risil

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 22:32

Hm, I thought it was because their convoy got firebombed.


You would be mistaken to think that F1 can possibly be related to the real world. ;)

#24 Red17

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 23:01

Hm, I thought it was because their convoy got firebombed.

Close. The issue was that FI hit panic mode with some personnel leaving the scene and the team went public about their concerns, which was a big hit on the "all is fine" story that was being vented at the time.

edit: Then it was a full fledged damage control operation. Normal Armed Convoys with multiple checkpoints, Bernie who wasn't supposed to be there showing up on race day as if he had been there all weekend, Jean strolling around the grid, drivers clearly inside their bubbles and a minister exchanging arguments with Rubens Barrichelo via press.

Edited by Red17, 08 March 2013 - 23:06.


#25 eronrules

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 23:08

Or even looking at the car.

http://www.marussiaf...m.com/partners/

#26 Coops3

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 23:11

Hm, I thought it was because their convoy got firebombed.

Close. The issue was that FI hit panic mode with some personnel leaving the scene and the team went public about their concerns, which was a big hit on the "all is fine" story that was being vented at the time.
edit: Then it was a full fledged damage control operation. Normal Armed Convoys with multiple checkpoints, Bernie who wasn't supposed to be there showing up on race day as if he had been there all weekend, Jean strolling around the grid, drivers clearly inside their bubbles and a minister exchanging arguments with Rubens Barrichelo via press.


Yeah... because they were involved in a fire bombing incident.

Edited by Coops3, 08 March 2013 - 23:17.


#27 Rosberg

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 23:13

http://www.marussiaf...m.com/partners/


Free Radio sponsoring Marussia?! Never thought I'd see that coming!

#28 eronrules

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 23:26

Free Radio sponsoring Marussia?! Never thought I'd see that coming!


most of the other 'sponsors' are in-fact financial institutions, most likely the companies that are supplying the cash to the team.

#29 Deluxx

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 23:28

I didn't know Marussia sponsored Marussia racing, wow. Did they really need to put that rofl

#30 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 00:03

most of the other 'sponsors' are in-fact financial institutions, most likely the companies that are supplying the cash to the team.


Err, no? Just one, LDC.

#31 mattferg

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 09:09

Name one Marussia sponsor without looking them up.


Learndirect :-)

#32 Dolph

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 10:25

Name one Marussia sponsor without looking them up.


Marussia

#33 okochajj

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 13:07

john booth is talking like he is the team principal of a ferrari , does he think that anyone would care if there are footage of marussia or not ?

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 13:46

Yes, I think it did happen to FI but for a different reason. They skipped FP2 to get away from the circuit safely, and FOM seemed to be annoyed about that and studiously avoided filming their cars for the rest of the weekend as a kind of punishment. That's what it seemed like anyway.


Of course, but as far as I remember a lot of people from the press picked up on it and during the following days/ weeks Force India got more media attention than ever before.
In the end the reputation of FOM suffered more than the 'punished' team. :)

By the way, how many minutes per race are the Marussia-cars usually shown? At the beginning of the race and when the leading cars overtake them. So even under normal circumstances they don't get much screen time.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 13:56

the problem with Force India was the contract that said if a team didnt contribute in a session , fom wont cover their cars in the remaining of the weekend

#36 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 14:04

Eh?

#37 mattferg

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 14:22

john booth is talking like he is the team principal of a ferrari , does he think that anyone would care if there are footage of marussia or not ?


I think you miss the point, if they can't show Marussia cars at all they can't show the start or when front markers lap them, or if they're in the back of overtake shots.

#38 Cool Beans

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 14:29

The skid mark in the underpants of the sport blackmailing the money train... they might find they won't be offered a new contract to participate next season.

#39 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 14:47

It's hardly blackmail.

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#40 Deluxx

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 15:00

I'd say extortion

#41 trogggy

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 15:20

I'd say extortion

How so?
Why do you think Bernie decided to negotiate separately with each team? Because he's brimming over with the milk of human kindness?

#42 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 16:01

I'd say extortion


Not from Marussia's side though. They're negotiating claiming Bernie can't really televise his series without them.

#43 Cool Beans

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 16:26

How so?

Because there really isn't an easy way to show the race without a single glimpse at the Marussias. A lot of extra work to make sure at the start and first corners. So they're saying pay us more, not because we deserve it but because otherwise we'll make your life extremely difficult. A dick move. I guess extortion is a better word than blackmail.
And we're not talking simply having the Marussias vaguely in the background, they cannot appear at all.

#44 trogggy

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 16:31

Because there really isn't an easy way to show the race without a single glimpse at the Marussias. A lot of extra work to make sure at the start and first corners. So they're saying pay us more, not because we deserve it but because otherwise we'll make your life extremely difficult. A dick move. I guess extortion is a better word than blackmail.
And we're not talking simply having the Marussias vaguely in the background, they cannot appear at all.

You missed this bit:

Why do you think Bernie decided to negotiate separately with each team? Because he's brimming over with the milk of human kindness?

Which is a shame as it was the whole point of the post.

#45 undersquare

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 16:33

Because there really isn't an easy way to show the race without a single glimpse at the Marussias. A lot of extra work to make sure at the start and first corners. So they're saying pay us more, not because we deserve it but because otherwise we'll make your life extremely difficult. A dick move. I guess extortion is a better word than blackmail.
And we're not talking simply having the Marussias vaguely in the background, they cannot appear at all.


How can you judge without knowing what Bernie's offered or what Marussia are asking for?

Bernie's said he only wants 10 teams, chances are he's offered them diddly.

#46 Cool Beans

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 16:37

How can you judge without knowing what Bernie's offered or what Marussia are asking for?

Bernie's said he only wants 10 teams, chances are he's offered them diddly.

Because Marussia really is in no position to be asking anything? The value they bring to Bernie is close to zero.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 16:58

Because Marussia really is in no position to be asking anything? The value they bring to Bernie is close to zero.


They work as hard as anybody else, why shouldn't they play the game and get what they can? Bernie defined the rules, and that's what they are: be hard, selfish and greedy. Get what you can, however you can, and good luck. He wanted them when there was the breakaway looming.

It makes no sense to be imposing a moral standard on a race team bargaining with Bernie Ecclestone.

#48 Cool Beans

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 18:18

They work as hard as anybody else, why shouldn't they play the game and get what they can? Bernie defined the rules, and that's what they are: be hard, selfish and greedy. Get what you can, however you can, and good luck. He wanted them when there was the breakaway looming.

It makes no sense to be imposing a moral standard on a race team bargaining with Bernie Ecclestone.

True. And I'm pretty sure they'll pay the price for getting what they can, however they can.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 18:30

I'm fed up to my back teeth of the poisonous dwarf to be honest, the way he's milking the show really gets up my nose to be honest. I hope Marussia really, really dick him to be frank. I'd also love BE to call their bluff and then see the cameras screw up.



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Posted 09 March 2013 - 18:36

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True. And I'm pretty sure they'll pay the price for getting what they can, however they can.

Any odds on marussia not making the 107% Qual cut off, and NOT being granted an exemption as is normally the case? Either that or both cars fail scrutineering :rotfl: