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[kento11]

I found these pictures of a BRM no. 7 amongst some old slides from my past. I think it is at Brands Hatch, I attended the 1964, 1966, 1974, and 1978 (no BRMs)British GPs there but I can't find a no.7 listed. I know someone out there will say "ah yes"

[RA Historian]

Appears to me to be Jackie Stewart in the H-16 car, either P-83 or P-115. I'm sure that Doug Nye can tell us all the details right away .

[R.W. Mackenzie]

Jackie drove #7 at Watkins Glen and Mexico City in 1967. This looks more like the Glen than Brands anyway.

Bob Mackenzie

[kento11]

Thank you, yes it must be the Glen in 1967.

[MCS]

Jackie drove #7 at Watkins Glen and Mexico City in 1967. This looks more like the Glen than Brands anyway.

Bob Mackenzie

The colours (the scenery!) suggest Autumn/Fall, so Watkins Glen from where I am sitting.

EDIT - some wonderful images here: and click around for more.

http://photos.speedt...T/0eNjaIc5q03MO

Another Edit (Sorry) - Kento, please keep posting these wonderful pictures!

Edited by MCS, 13 March 2013 - 21:04.

[Ray Bell]

I was looking at the pic and thinking, "I've never seen a shot from Brands that looked like that..."

But my initial thought that it might be at the Glen was put aside due to the earlier comments about attending Brands.

[arttidesco]

Excellent photo, wish I'd been around to hear the sound of the H16

[sprite]

It certainly looks like Jackie Stewart in a BRM P115 at Watkins Glen in 1967

[kento11]

Thought I posted two pictures, here is the second which I can definitively say is Jackie Stewart leading Jo Siffert in a cooper. Not too good a picture...but.Thanks to all

[R.W. Mackenzie]

Not too good a picture you say. But I think it really captures the closeness and informality of the era.

Bob Mackenzie

[Alan Baker]

Definitely JYS in the unique "lightweight"(!) BRM P115 H-16 at Watkins Glen in '67. One of the few races that year at which Surtees did not bag his lucky number seven.

[Doug Nye]

Excellent photo, wish I'd been around to hear the sound of the H16

Sadly, even when firing as a true-16 - because a variant also fired two cylinders simultaneously and so sounded like a big-8 - the H16's exhaust note was never as sensational as one might imagine. In that respect it wasn't a patch upon its older but smaller (capacity) sister, the BRM V16. Of course, the V16s' two-stage centrifugal supercharging had quite a bit to do with that...

DCN

[RA Historian]

I echo that. I was at Mosport in 1967 when three H-16s ran, for Stewart, Spence, and Irwin. I was frankly disappointed in the sound. I was anticipating a shrill screaming wail, but no, the engine sounded little different to my ear than others in the field. Amon's Ferrari V-12 sounded best.

I had to wait until 1971 (at Mosport) to get my aural jollies, from the Matra V-12 as I am sure you surmise.

Tom

[Doug Nye]

Matra V12 - yes, now you are talking!

DCN

[R.W. Mackenzie]

I was at Mosport too in 1971. The sound of the Matra screaming from turn one to turn two rang in my ears for days after the event.

Bob Mackenzie

[simonlewisbooks]

Sadly, even when firing as a true-16 - because a variant also fired two cylinders simultaneously and so sounded like a big-8 - the H16's exhaust note was never as sensational as one might imagine. In that respect it wasn't a patch upon its older but smaller (capacity) sister, the BRM V16. Of course, the V16s' two-stage centrifugal supercharging had quite a bit to do with that...

DCN

The EXCITING SOUNDS OF GRAND PRIX LP featuring some wonderful recording from the Frankenhiemer movie includes the H16 absolutely flat chat on the Masta straight and Doug is right, it sound disappointingly bland.
Oddly in this supremely eerie , spine-tingling sequence the engine that sounds best to my much abused ears is the Repco...the least exotic of them all!
The joy of the whole album is the sheer variety of sounds you got from the 1966 grid. What an era!

[Art-J]

The EXCITING SOUNDS OF GRAND PRIX LP featuring some wonderful recording from the Frankenhiemer movie includes the H16 absolutely flat chat on the Masta straight and Doug is right, it sound disappointingly bland.

Not sure about that - I believe the "Belgian-part" of the aforementioned LP might feature V-8 sounds only, because Stewart did most of his training and quali in good old P261, trying the P-83 only just for a while. Still awesome recording though!

Cheers!

Edited by Art-J, 14 March 2013 - 22:43.

[arttidesco]

Sadly, even when firing as a true-16 - because a variant also fired two cylinders simultaneously and so sounded like a big-8 - the H16's exhaust note was never as sensational as one might imagine. In that respect it wasn't a patch upon its older but smaller (capacity) sister, the BRM V16. Of course, the V16s' two-stage centrifugal supercharging had quite a bit to do with that...

DCN

Does this mean the description of those in the pits at Reims ducking for cover when Graham Hill drove by in the H16 at full chat is wide of the mark ?

Edited by arttidesco, 15 March 2013 - 00:26.

[Geoff E]

The EXCITING SOUNDS OF GRAND PRIX LP featuring some wonderful recording from the Frankenhiemer movie includes the H16 absolutely flat chat on the Masta straight

[simonlewisbooks]

Not sure about that - I believe the "Belgian-part" of the aforementioned LP might feature V-8 sounds only, because Stewart did most of his training and quali in good old P261, trying the P-83 only just for a while. Still awesome recording though!

Cheers!

It's identified as "Sixteen Cylinder BRM" and in the same sequence there's also a V8 BRM - the former drones, the latter is shrill and crisp.

[simonlewisbooks]

Does this mean the description of those in the pits at Reims ducking for cover when Graham Hill drove by in the H16 at full chat is wide of the mark ?

Perhaps they had all heard about the engine's predisposition for exploding on the dyno and were simply anticipating incoming shrapnel....?

[arttidesco]

Perhaps they had all heard about the engine's predisposition for exploding on the dyno and were simply anticipating incoming shrapnel....?

[Roger Clark]

When did BRM introduce the 16 (rather than twin 8) - cylinder H16?