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#1 Nev

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:41

Anyone else spotted this?

I thoroughly enjoyed reading the recent Motorsport Magazine "lunch with ..." interview with Norman Dewis. Mr Dewis is a delightfully approachable gentleman, and a wonderful ambassador for Jaguar, who has achieved more in his 92 years than most. The “lunch with …” interview touches on his many achievements. However, presumably because of shortage of time during the interview, there were some significant omissions in the Jaguar XJ13 story.

Norman Dewis stated that Sir William Lyons had given instructions that the now-completed XJ13 was not to be driven. Norman said he ignored these instructions, took the car to MIRA and was hauled over the coals by Lyons as a result. Lyons supposedly then said to Norman that any testing could only be carried out on Sundays in Norman's own time. Norman implied he was the only person who subsequently drove the car.

In truth, Lyons had given an instruction to William Heynes on 5th May 1966 saying the car was not to be driven. It was not driven until a year later on 5th March 1967 when permission was finally given for the car to begin testing at MIRA.

The initial design of the car was the work of Malcolm Sayer in conjunction with Derrick White (formerly of Connaught and later to join Cooper as Chief Designer). In 1965 the very able Mike Kimberley (who later went on to join Lotus with Colin Chapman) was placed in overall charge of the project by William Heynes. The car was built, not by a single individual, but by a number of skilled engineers working in the Competition and Experimental Departments. One of these individuals was the late Bob Blake (known as “an artist in metal” by his contemporaries); another was Peter Wilson (ex-Jaguar Competition Department), who has since written the definitive and painstakingly-researched book on the XJ13, “XJ13 – The Definitive Story of the Jaguar Le Mans Car and the V12 Engine that Powered it”.

Detailed reports of the car's build and all subsequent testing survive. As well as these records, there is a "XJ13 Log Book" which details all XJ13 movements from the first test right through to the rebuilt car's first public appearance in 1973 - complete with odometer readings. Although Norman Dewis did contribute to vital development, there is no record of the car ever being taken to Bruntingthorpe as claimed later in the interview - clandestinely or otherwise

William Heynes recognised as early as 1964 that a car such as the XJ13 really needed a top-flight race driver to help develop it. There is some evidence to suggest that Jack Brabham had been approached in this respect but, in the end a former Jaguar apprentice - David Hobbs - was recruited for testing. In 1969 Hobbs was included in a FIA list of graded drivers which was an élite group of 27 who were rated the best in the world. It was Hobbs who achieved the unofficial UK closed lap record with the XJ13 which stood for the next 32 years. The XJ13’s main development driver, Hobbs, was joined at Silverstone for the XJ13’s final test at full racing speed by another top-flight racing driver (and ex-Jaguar apprentice) Richard ("Dickie") Attwood (a Le Mans winner and the subject of a recent “Motorsport Magazine” podcast).

It is interesting to note that, in a car with remaining scope for development, a Silverstone lap time of slightly under 1min 36 was achieved on a track with a lingering damp patch at Becketts; comparing favourably with the best time for a Group 4 Ford GT40 (in the hands of P Hawkins) of 1min 35.0. Richard Attwood had already achieved a best time for that circuit in a Ferrari LM of 1 min 35.0 seconds.

What might have been if the XJ13 had undergone further development and had gone on to race? We will never know!

Edited by Nev, 29 March 2013 - 07:29.


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#2 BRG

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 18:59

The car never went to Bruntingthorpe - clandestinely or otherwise

Probably not. But then, Dewis said that he took it to MIRA.

Lapses of memory should be forgiven!

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:58

Probably not. But then, Dewis said that he took it to MIRA.


Correct, but he did also say, "... over the months that followed we gradually developed the XJ13 at MIRA, and at Bruntingthorpe we did more than 200mph in straight line tests"

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 22:00

Bruntingthorpe (9000ft? runway) in the 60s was home to the RB66 shot down in Soviet airspace as a consequence of one of Curtis LeMay's unauthorised "target acquisition" sorties. Like the B47s in the UK (and the RB47 out of Brize Norton that was also lost), they were I think Strategic Air Command rotational deployments rather than (UK based) US 3rd Airforce units. The point being, wasn't it only later that Bruntingthorpe became a car test venue? (or was this a special favour by Allard racer LeMay?).

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 23:12

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#6 Nev

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:24

Terry McGrath is too modest to mention it himself but if you are interested in Jaguars, Terry is co-author of the excellent, "The Jaguar XK120 in the Southern Hemisphere".

Definitely one to add to your library.

Edited by Nev, 18 March 2013 - 07:25.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 19:19

The point being, wasn't it only later that Bruntingthorpe became a car test venue? (or was this a special favour by Allard racer LeMay?).

RAF Bruntinthorpe seems to have ceased to be operational in 1962. Chrysler acquired it as a test venue in 1973. But what happened in the interim - which is the period in question?

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 19:49

It's complicated. The Bruntingthorpe RB66 units seem to have been deployed to Toul-Rosieres, France in 1962 and the shoot down was 1964. The evictions from France were 1966 and those RB66s, unlike many other French-based USAF units, went to USA (CONUS) rather than to another European NATO country. "Deployment" can mean a number of things (the HQ may be elsewhere even if the unit is "permanently" deployed).
Bruntingthorpe was certainly on "Care and Maintenance" to at least the late 60s (empty as opposed to closed and no longer maintained to operational standard), probably as a COB (wartime operational base for nominated CONUS units).

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:18

It's complicated. The Bruntingthorpe RB66 units seem to have been deployed to Toul-Rosieres, France in 1962 and the shoot down was 1964. The evictions from France were 1966 and those RB66s, unlike many other French-based USAF units, went to USA (CONUS) rather than to another European NATO country. "Deployment" can mean a number of things (the HQ may be elsewhere even if the unit is "permanently" deployed).
Bruntingthorpe was certainly on "Care and Maintenance" to at least the late 60s (empty as opposed to closed and no longer maintained to operational standard), probably as a COB (wartime operational base for nominated CONUS units).


Someone from the Motor Industry who was living in Coventry in the late 60s tells me Bruntinghorpe had one of the longest runways in the UK and it was rumoured to be c.20ft thick to take the load of the B52's. However, he doesn't recall it being used for vehicle testing during the late 60's (and he is in a position to have known). The XJ13 project was shelved in 1967 so how could the car have been taken there and driven at around 200mph?

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:41

Bruntingthorpe was very close to the sphere of activities (12 car rallies, treasure hunts) of Leicester Colleges Motor Club in the late '60's early '70's. To be honest I cannot recall ever going there but it cropped up in conversation, the gist of it as I recall was that it was abandoned but was used from time to time for testing, maybe unofficially, and could we as a club make use of it? Not that we ever did.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 11:00

Just a thought. I've been led to believe that Dick Protheroe was a favoured customer at Jaguars because he had used his RAF influence to allow them to test at RAF Gaydon. Protheroe's business was at Husband's Bosworth just a hop and skip from Bruntingthorpe, could Protheroe have had a little influence there which allowed Jaguar to use it on unofficial occasions even after Protheroe's unfortunate death? Probably a silly idea but you never know.

Another thought, if any one is in contact with MSA timekeeper Tony Daff (a contempary at LCMC) he may remember something.

Edited by RCH, 19 March 2013 - 11:02.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:58

One should read "Cat out of the Bag" by Peter Wilson who worked on the construction of the XJ13 in the Jaguar Competition Department. He writes that in February 1966 the car was finished, so they put fuel water and oil into the engine and started it up; ran it to warm it up and then switched it off, pushed it into a corner and covered it with a dust sheet. It didn't run again for another year. Jaguar had completely lost interest.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 07:29

One should read "Cat out of the Bag" by Peter Wilson who worked on the construction of the XJ13 in the Jaguar Competition Department. He writes that in February 1966 the car was finished, so they put fuel water and oil into the engine and started it up; ran it to warm it up and then switched it off, pushed it into a corner and covered it with a dust sheet. It didn't run again for another year. Jaguar had completely lost interest.


An excellent book!

The first test took place at MIRA on 5th March 1967 - the final Silverstone test was five months later on 15/16th August of that year. The car was not driven in the interim (according to Peter Wilson).