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[tormave]

It's pretty well known that Kimi dislikes radio chatter during the race. He gets most of his race data from Mark Arnall's pit board and acts accordingly. He also said they had decided on the strategy already before the race and executed it as planned, so there would've been little reason to use the radio for "coaching"

Grosjean's race was ruined by his start and his subsequent tyre use trying to defend and overtake. They seemingly couldn't get him out of pit stop sync to enable him to pull away from the multi-car scrap he was in as his tyres were gone by the time the cars ahead pitted. Maybe they should've brought him in right after the start and tried a 2-stopper. He might have had a shot at finishing 5th that way.

[Vesuvius]

I see, so if smth seems better based on two laps of running then that obviously in your book also means:

- everything is in balance
- the short and long stint setups have been tried
- tyre deg with new setup has been familiarised




Which floor? The old one? He also raced the 2012 floors in 2012. So what? What have old floors got to do with anything?






Yes, and they also gave some ides what the reasons were. Those you completely ignored and instead went on a quest of illogicality. If ever there was an example of selective recognition of facts you'd be it.

he did 6 laps on dry (2 timed ones) and well if he doesnt have better setups, than he shouldnt go and say that in public that he has...

who is speaking about old floors? Kimi had a new floor during practise 1 and 2 and Grosjean got it in practise 3 as well before that he used floor that was on the car before the final barcelona test but Romain had new floor tested a lot in final barcelona test so it wasnt anything new to him.

Grosjean destroyed his tyres because he was too aggressive and was right behind others, he should leave more room like Kimi did when he had red bull and two ferraris ahead but he decided to leave a gap between them...why he wasnt able to overtake Button is beoynd understanding, Button was 1-2 second slower than Lotus and Kimi for example easily passed Hamilton that was faster than McLaren by a mile.

But there is no doubt that Grosjean will be much closer already at sepang but judging by melbourne weekend, he won't challenge Kimi there just like he didn't last year, even if sepang is one of Romains faourite tracks.

Edited by Vesuvius, 18 March 2013 - 07:18.

[Vesuvius]

I really do not know who, if any one, coached Räikkönen through the race, but it was extremely well executed. The way he kept an arms distance to the scrap ahead of him during the second stint, and the way he closed the gap and went for a passes at crunch times (Hamilton in the opening laps and Sutil when Alonso was in pursuit).

They had two stop strategy planned before the race so the tactic was clear. but tyre saving came all from Kimi, just like it did last year at hungary, the guy knows when to leave room and save tyres and then when to push harder.

Edited by Vesuvius, 18 March 2013 - 07:21.

[eREr]

That can't really be true. Not that I really know how much use in- and out laps are for the team, I seriously doubt they are totally wasted, especially in-laps which are flyers all the way up to the pit entrance. So did Grosjean do two three lap runs or a single 4 lap run.

For all I know some of his invisibility w.r.t Räikkönen can be explained away with the divergent Friday programs, but all of it? He was almost lapped.

I really do not know who, if any one, coached Räikkönen through the race, but it was extremely well executed. The way he kept an arms distance to the scrap ahead of him during the second stint, and the way he closed the gap and went for a passes at crunch times (Hamilton in the opening laps and Sutil when Alonso was in pursuit).

It is true. Ha had 2 timed laps and that's all. -> http://en.mclarenf-1...an#.UUbDwVeLorU
In and out laps can not be counted. Anyway do you think 3 laps instead of 2 make huge difference? It was a lowish fuel run (he won FP3 you know), so they couldn't test the setup with high fuel and longer stint. Simple as that.

[eREr]

he did 6 laps on dry (2 timed ones) and well if he doesnt have better setups, than he shouldnt go and say that in public that he has...

who is speaking about old floors? Kimi had a new floor during practise 1 and 2 and Grosjean got it in practise 3 as well before that he used floor that was on the car before the final barcelona test but Romain had new floor tested a lot in final barcelona test so it wasnt anything new to him.

Grosjean destroyed his tyres because he was too aggressive and was right behind others, he should leave more room like Kimi did when he had red bull and two ferraris ahead but he decided to leave a gap between them...why he wasnt able to overtake Button is beoynd understanding, Button was 1-2 second slower than Lotus and Kimi for example easily passed Hamilton that was faster than McLaren by a mile.

But there is no doubt that Grosjean will be much closer already at sepang but judging by melbourne weekend, he won't challenge Kimi there just like he didn't last year, even if sepang is one of Romains faourite tracks.

6 laps? Check the link above.. The first 2 laps are the regular basic checks as you know. Then he had 1 slow out lap, 2 timed laps and went back to the pit. Did they test high fuel load during FP3 with the new setup? Did they test long stint with new setup? Yes or no?

New package arrived to Melbourne which was not tested earlier. So I don't really understand your point regarding to barcelona test. If everything was tested there then why they split the new floor and wings between the 2 pilots? Explain please...

The other thing is Kimi was in a perfect situation. There was nobody behind him, he was not pushed by others, he was able to control the lap times by himself, but Gorsjean was pushed by Force India and Mclaren from the back. In this situation you don't have choice, you have to push otherwise you will be overtaken in DRS zones.

[Zava]

6 laps? Check the link above.. The first 2 laps are the regular basic checks as you know. Then he had 1 slow out lap, 2 timed laps and went back to the pit. Did they test high fuel load during FP3 with the new setup? Did they test long stint with new setup? Yes or no?

that sounds like 6 laps (2+1+2+1), of which 2 was timed (as Vesuvius said).

[eREr]

that sounds like 6 laps (2+1+2+1), of which 2 was timed (as Vesuvius said).

I wrote the same I think It was 6 laps, but they were not 6 useful laps from setup point of view. That's my point. He had only 2 timed laps, this is the main thing. But let's suppose he would have 6 timed laps, then would you still say it is enough for a good race setup with new parts on the car? The answer is clearly no.

[Vesuvius]

6 laps? Check the link above.. The first 2 laps are the regular basic checks as you know. Then he had 1 slow out lap, 2 timed laps and went back to the pit. Did they test high fuel load during FP3 with the new setup? Did they test long stint with new setup? Yes or no?

New package arrived to Melbourne which was not tested earlier. So I don't really understand your point regarding to barcelona test. If everything was tested there then why they split the new floor and wings between the 2 pilots? Explain please...

The other thing is Kimi was in a perfect situation. There was nobody behind him, he was not pushed by others, he was able to control the lap times by himself, but Gorsjean was pushed by Force India and Mclaren from the back. In this situation you don't have choice, you have to push otherwise you will be overtaken in DRS zones.

New parts were all tested seperately at barcelona and then combined at melbourne!

Well Grosjean pushed too slow then...McLarens were 1-2 seconds slower than Lotuses, he should been able to overtake!

[Diderlo]

I wrote the same I think It was 6 laps, but they were not 6 useful laps from setup point of view. That's my point. He had only 2 timed laps, this is the main thing. But let's suppose he would have 6 timed laps, then would you still say it is enough for a good race setup with new parts on the car? The answer is clearly no.

You get data nevertheless. Kimi had a total of 5 dry laps (1 less, I count every lap) if I remember correctly and he had to rebalance the car aswell after getting the new wings.
They need to do as many comparisons as possible to get the best data what every single part and combination does for the car, that is why they shared friday. And you should remember that they share the data between drivers even though they have different driving styles. I believe and hope Malaysia will be better for Grosjean, but I don't think there was any major flaw in the car in Melbourne. Lotus would have been very eager to save Grosjean's confidence if there was something clearly wrong with the car. Now Allison just said that Grosjean used rear tyres too much. Some weekends are just rough, for example Button complained about balance often last year while Hamilton was superb.

Edited by Diderlo, 18 March 2013 - 15:33.

[tarmac]

Well i think the car is more tailored by Kimi feedback by Allison. Dont know how different the styles are

Ferrari was a disaster in that sense going more with Massa or no mans land

Edited by tarmac, 18 March 2013 - 15:49.

[DS27]

Grosjean is a knob but he proved he's can be fast on enough occasions, so I think he could justifiably be given the benefit of doubt for now.

[Kingshark]

Problem identified:

http://static.guim.c...e-Lotus-008.jpg

You trolling Grosjean again?

Most of the time Grosjean was capable of matching Kimi's speed and going even faster last season,although Kimi is obviously a much better and more intelligent driver I don't think Grosjean is 1 point material while Kimi wins the race in the same car.It's a legit possibility something was actually wrong,there's no way of telling...Time will.

there can actually be something wrong with the car...a problem, a setup issue etc
he's been moronic a lot of times last year but not slow. I don't think he looks for excuses, he just says what he feels

Thankfully, the answer is there for you.

[RJL]

Problem identified:

Exactly what I was thinking. The problem was the loose nut behind the wheel.

[TheUltimateWorrier]

How long would a thread be if Massa would've said this?

In fairness, the 'have Ferrari screwed Massa?' thread is already at about 9 pages. So I imagine a thread if Massa had said this the number of pages would be into double figures now .

[eREr]

New parts were all tested seperately at barcelona and then combined at melbourne!

Well Grosjean pushed too slow then...McLarens were 1-2 seconds slower than Lotuses, he should been able to overtake!

Yeah, new parts were tested there, but the Melbourne spec wings and floor were brand new ones. And based on Parmane's report Kimi tested all new parts on Friday, while Grosjean tested just the new wings, but not the floor. So Kimi had more time to set up the car with all new parts, not just 6 laps (2 timed laps).

"Alan Permane, Trackside Operations Director – Technical programme notes
- We evaluated a new front wing on both cars
- Kimi ran with a new floor in both sessions
- Pirelli’s medium (white) compound tyre was used in the first session, the medium and supersoft (red) in the afternoon
- The second session saw long runs on both tyre compounds
- We evaluated revised exhaust outlets on both cars"

http://www.yallaf1.c...-leading-group/

Edited by eREr, 19 March 2013 - 10:04.