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#51 Zava

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:32

That Henri Toivonen lapped a Lancia rally car around the Estoril circuit fast enough to have qualifed 6th for that year's GP.
I don't know the source for this one, but it's just so obviously bollocks.

AFAIK he used a different, shorter layout.

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#52 gm914

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:34

Floundering at the back of the field at the tail end of your F1 career is better than running in a successful Sportscar/Touring car series.



#53 metz

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:35

I would say it still is (a sport), and has always been a mixture of sport, business and politics. I think the myth is that it was ever a pure sport.

The first definition of a sport is fair play.
Rules, budgets and politics make F1 anything but fair.

In the past, fewer rules allowed more imagination, giving others a "fairer" chance.
I agree, it was never a pure sport.



#54 Collective

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:36

That Schumacher could have won points in a Minardi, on a normal race with few crashes and failures.

Edited by Collective, 19 March 2013 - 16:46.


#55 PretentiousBread

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:39

Genuine tyre wars.

What you actually get is one tyre that is far superior, and teams on other brands have to fight for the scraps.


There have been plenty of years where that has not been the case - 2003, 2004 & 2006 just off the top of my head.

#56 PretentiousBread

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:41

The idea that F1 drivers are the best on the planet. For me it's the greatest myth ever.


I never used to believe that, but I have to agree now. I don't see how F1 could possibly be considered the pinnacle of motorsport from a driver's perspective anymore.

#57 g1n

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:43

That Schumacher could have won points in a Minardi.


It was possible, Webber finished 5th in a Minardi in his first race. They scored some other points during the years as well (after 1995). Obviously it was due to high unreliability of those years, but still.

#58 E.B.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:43

I think the Bernie one depends on how exactly entries were handled and are recorded on whether you'd consider it a myth or not.


Any man and his dog could take a car out for a practice lap back then though (well not quite, but it was a bit more relaxed in those days!). He doesn't appear on any of the contemporary published entry lists that have been seen to date, and clearly was not trying to make a serious qualifying attempt.

Bernie Ecclestone, ex GP driver? Fraid not.




#59 PayasYouRace

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:45

The first definition of a sport is fair play.
Rules, budgets and politics make F1 anything but fair.

In the past, fewer rules allowed more imagination, giving others a "fairer" chance.
I agree, it was never a pure sport.


What? As long as the rules are the same for everyone, then fair play is ensured. I agree that in the past, more open technical regulations allowed others to think outside the box, but that's not about fair play, but about competition.

No professional sport is without meddling by politics though.

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#60 PayasYouRace

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:46

Any man and his dog could take a car out for a practice lap back then though (well not quite, but it was a bit more relaxed in those days!). He doesn't appear on any of the contemporary published entry lists that have been seen to date, and clearly was not trying to make a serious qualifying attempt.

Bernie Ecclestone, ex GP driver? Fraid not.


What about Silverstone that year? Same situation?

#61 Collective

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:46

It was possible, Webber finished 5th in a Minardi in his first race. They scored some other points during the years as well (after 1995). Obviously it was due to high unreliability of those years, but still.

Good point. I have added "on a normal race, with few crashes and failures"

#62 E.B.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:50

What about Silverstone that year? Same situation?


I'm not even sure if Bernie drove the car at Silverstone at all, wasn't it just Jack Fairman?


#63 DampMongoose

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:52

What about Silverstone that year? Same situation?


I thought Fairman and Bueb drove his Connaughts at Silverstone? Ecclestone didn't turn a wheel did he?

#64 DampMongoose

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:53

damnit EB for stealing my thinks...

#65 E.B.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:57

damnit EB for stealing my thinks...


Sorry, I'll leave you the one about Bernie and the Great Train Robbery.


#66 gm914

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:01

Sorry, I'll leave you the one about Bernie and the Great Train Robbery.

Is that the one where Ecclestone told Caterham not to re-hire Trulli? :lol:

#67 SR388

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:08

The idea that Senna is a better overall driver than Prost.



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#68 PayasYouRace

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:09

I'm not even sure if Bernie drove the car at Silverstone at all, wasn't it just Jack Fairman?



I thought Fairman and Bueb drove his Connaughts at Silverstone? Ecclestone didn't turn a wheel did he?


Forix shows him as a DNQ for Monaco but a DNS for Silverstone. But that might just be that he completed a lap in practice. He was 59s off the pace according to the grid.

#69 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:11

The single biggest myth surrounding Formula 1 is that it is in any way relevant to the automotive industry.



wow, that is what I was always thinking! (but in the direction of: F1 is not about cars)

Edited by SealTheDiffuser, 19 March 2013 - 17:13.


#70 E.B.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:13

Then there's Jackie Stewart's "in my day, if you raced for 5 years, there was a 2 out of 3 chance you were going to be killed".


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:17

1. Sebastian Vettel cannot overtake. :lol:

2. Any driver can win championships in an Adrian Newey car.

3. More crashes and accidents = better racing.

4. It is possible for a driver to out-drive a car.

5. Sebastian Vettel is especially lucky.

#72 SR388

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:28

That F1 races in the wet. See last week...


That Hamilton wasn't a deserving champion in 2008.

Compared to other drivers, Lewis Hamilton lacks focus.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:28

The FW19 was a dominant car for the entire 1997 season.

MS's "accidental" contact with Damon Hill at Adelaide, 1995 (won't mention Jerez '97 as I doubt anyone believes that was accidental).

Hungaroring produces boring races.

F1 can never succeed in the USA.

Alonso was complicit in the planning of "crashgate".

Damon Hill, Jacques Villeneuve and Kimi Raikkonen are unworthy WDC's who just lucked into their titles by virtue of equipment and/or fortune of circumstance.

"Team X is sabotaging [its own] driver B to make driver A look better!"

Only Ferrari cheat and wield team orders. The other teams are as clean as the driven snow.

#74 ForeverF1

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:35

A myth that appears to be building - Former, acclaimed, Formula 1 drivers do not know what they are talking about.

#75 PayasYouRace

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:39

MS's "accidental" contact with Damon Hill at Adelaide, 1995


Or even 1994  ;)

#76 mattferg

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:40

Anyone on the grid has won the championship in not the best car on average

Edited by mattferg, 19 March 2013 - 18:27.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:40

A myth that appears to be building - Former, acclaimed, Formula 1 drivers do not know what they are talking about.


Very good , it certainly is a myth too despite some whippersnappers petulent comments!

#78 SR388

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:41

Anyone on the grid has won the championship in not the best car



I will argue that.

In 2009 the Brawn was not the best car for half the season.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:41

A myth that appears to be building - Former, acclaimed, Formula 1 drivers do not know what they are talking about.


F1's forum myths- that criticism of former drivers is something that hasn't been around for years. :yawnface:

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#80 ZZei

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:44

That Raikkonens title in 2007 was somehow "lucky".

#81 ed24f1

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:47

That Sutil would have scored points at Monaco 2008 (he was to be given a time penalty for passing under yellow flags).

#82 Collective

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:48

That without the Japanese Grand Prix DSQ, Senna would have been the champion. Senna still would have needed to win Australia, where he crashed out.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:50

F1's forum myths- that criticism of former drivers is something that hasn't been around for years. :yawnface:

Which leads to the myth that armchair experts know better - than any-one. :p

#84 Atreiu

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 17:50

Alonso's innocence in Crashgate.

#85 CSquared

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:15

That Bernie is some kind of business genius, that no one else could have done what he's done, and that F1 would be drastically different if he hadn't been around.

That the money/fame/respect a driver gets has something to do with how dangerous the job is.

That Senna's DQ from Japan 1989 cost him the title. (I see Collective got this one, too.)

I once read that when driver aids were at their height in early 90s, McLaren set competitive lap times at Silverstone without a driver in the car. Always assumed it was nonsense but would love it to be true :D

I heard it was Williams at Monza. Either way, a silly myth with no truth whatsoever.

#86 Jimisgod

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:19

That Lotus were the first team to enter a World Championship race with commercial sponsorship.


Who was it?

#87 mattferg

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:27

I will argue that.

In 2009 the Brawn was not the best car for half the season.


Changed it to make more clear - on average

#88 motorhead

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:34

The first definition of a sport is fair play.
Rules, budgets and politics make F1 anything but fair.

In the past, fewer rules allowed more imagination, giving others a "fairer" chance.
I agree, it was never a pure sport.


With this we can count out any sport where the money is involved. What about Olympics with doped athletics playing cat and mouse with testing officials...

#89 eronrules

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:39

Firing a team principle can make the car better :D

#90 Nemo1965

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:46


1. That drivers are picked for their talent.

2. That drivers are not picked for their talent.



#91 motorhead

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:47

That Alonso is fighting against Newey

#92 John Player

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:47

That Benetton cheated in 1994.

#93 MikeV1987

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:52

insert driver name here out-driving the car.

I heard this all too much in 2012, when Alonso was apparently driving the car above 100% while his team mate struggled.

Edited by MikeV1987, 19 March 2013 - 18:54.


#94 Jimisgod

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:54

That Benetton cheated in 1994.


:rotfl: I think you'll find the prevailing myth is that it was legal in 1994...

#95 metz

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 18:54

What? As long as the rules are the same for everyone, then fair play is ensured.


Probably the biggest myth.

All teams with more than 40 years participation in F1 get an extra $50 mil....is an obvious example.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 19:04

That the 2012 ferrari was seconds off the place, as alonso tries with all his might to convey, thus looking like a "driving genius" that wins in far inferior machinery.

#97 PayasYouRace

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 19:10

Probably the biggest myth.

All teams with more than 40 years participation in F1 get an extra $50 mil....is an obvious example.


Not what you quoted.

I kind of agree with you, but your quote of me wasn't addressing F1 but the concept of fair play.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 19:16

Rain as car equalizer, so best drivers will emerge on the rain.

Actually rain is just another condition that sets a new pecking order, with different cars working well at different levels.

This is the one that came to mind. :up:

#99 PretentiousBread

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 19:22

Which leads to the myth that armchair experts know better - than any-one. :p


Which leads to the myth that former drivers know better about a sport they no longer participate in than the humble fan who currently follows it.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 19:23

That Benetton cheated in 1994.


:rotfl: