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[ApexMouse]

http://www.gpupdate....zones-for-2013/

Two DRS zones will be in place for this year's Malaysian Grand Prix, with governing body the FIA deciding to add an extra activiation area along the back straight.

The detection line for Zone 1 has been placed between Turns 12 and 13, with DRS usage permitted along the penultimate straight. The second zone, preceded by its Turn 15 detection point, runs from the beginning to the end of the start-finish straight.

The Sepang International Circuit, designed by Hermann Tilke, will celebrate its 15th Formula 1 race in 2013, having opened and staged its first Grand Prix back in 1999.

Absolute overkill for me. It will make a mockery of the final turn as drivers will slow and compromise their line if they are fighting in order to get DRS for the main straight.
Your thoughts?

EDIT: I am an absolute moron, it is of course not the first time we have two Detection Zones. Could a mod please merge this with the malaysia biuld up thread or delete if appropriate, thanks. My first thread is a total failure!

Edited by ApexMouse, 19 March 2013 - 18:47.

[mgs315]

Aye. Drivers were doing that in Canada last year too.

[ApexMouse]

Aye. Drivers were doing that in Canada last year too.

Assuming you mean 2011, there was only 1 detection zone I believe.

[Clatter]

It would be an even bigger mockery if someone overtook using the DRS in zone 1 and then had the DRS for the whole of zone 2 available to them.

[eronrules]

wasn't abu dhabi last year also had 2 detection zones IIRC??

[encircled]

Assuming you mean 2011, there was only 1 detection zone I believe.

I think what he meant was drivers purposely slow down so that they get DRS.

[Anderis]

I think two detection zones are much better for show than one. You don't have so much advantage if you are able to overtake your opponent in the first zone.

[MP422]

It would be an even bigger mockery if someone overtook using the DRS in zone 1 and then had the DRS for the whole of zone 2 available to them.

I agree, Two detection zones was definitely needed in this circuit's situation.

[Topsu]

Isn't the second activation zone way too early? That's like the whole straight.

[Skinnyguy]

I don´t care about 1 vs 2 detection points. What bothers me is two consecutive DRS zones in two consecutive long straights. Regradless of detection points, that´s ****. If they want two zones, use back straight and the run from turn 2 exit to turn 4.

However, I rememeber saying last year the same OP says here, and to be fair in the end it wasn´t that bad.

[eronrules]

TBH, i don't mind, it'll be difficult for them to pass even with DRS on the backstraight (shorter one) due to turn 12-13-14 complex. at best they can close up and use the next DRS to pass.

[Afterburner]

I think two detection zones are much better for show than one. You don't have so much advantage if you are able to overtake your opponent in the first zone.

Agreed. Almost makes it more 'normal' because DRS-induced overtakes have a chance to be reversed by the attacked driver in the second zone.

[Crafty]

This page only shows 1 DRS zone
http://www.formula1....it_diagram.html

GP Update now says there are two zones: http://www.gpupdate....1949/sepang-a...
But I found this link earlier : http://www.gptoday.c...45436/Sepang_... that points back to GP Update, but the page is gone, it was there earlier today.

So its not clear what they are running this weekend

[joshb]

We don't need DRS here, let alone 2.
But if they are to have 2, I'd have the back straight into the hairpin (turn 9?) and the run into turn 4 through the right kink

[F1ultimate]

Wow. This is beyond out of control. What it means for drivers is that Q3 is best left alone. End quali at Q2 and save heaps of fresh tires for the race to then just pass every rival, one by one, using DRS.

[Certinfy]

Will laugh every time a driver over takes another only to be overtaken back on the next straight.

[BillBald]

Will laugh every time a driver over takes another only to be overtaken back on the next straight.

We had this in Abu Dhabi last year, and overtaking was almost all done in 2nd zone.

[BigCHrome]

They should just forget about DRS. What a horrible, horrible idea.

[ANF]

I think two detection zones are much better for show than one. You don't have so much advantage if you are able to overtake your opponent in the first zone.

Clowns are better for show.

[weareracing]

The CLEVER driver will NOT pass their opponent in the 1st DRS zone.
I guess their are NO clever people in the FIA

[PretentiousBread]

For when overtaking isn't easy enough.....

Can we even call it 'overtaking' these days? How about just 'taking'?

[lbennie]

Christ,
Guess that means no overtaking in the first zone then, unless it is the last lap of course.

[OO7]

If two competitive cars are racing each other (the chasing car perhaps 2 or 3 tenths quicker), you will not see overtaking in the first zone as the car behind doesn't have a large enough advantage. If the car ahead begins to struggle, the attacking driver should be smart, use the first zone to get as close as possible and the second zone to pass. How easy or difficult of a task overtaking at Sepang is, will be determined in large by the tyres.

[FPV GTHO]

Personally i like the idea.

If it means lap after lap 2 cars keep swapping positions it means theyre not really faster than each other which shouldnt bother anyone.

If someone gets an easy pass and runs off into the distance they were faster anyway!

[Baddoer]

Somebody had a brain fade when came with this idea. I mean, DRS activation after, what, 20meters of pit straight? Pit straight is about 1km long in Sepang. This is really stupid.

Edited by Baddoer, 20 March 2013 - 08:09.

[Lights]

www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/drs-malaysia-2013-778x886.gif

There is like.. 2 seconds between detection 2 and activation 2?

[TomNokoe]

The cars fast in a straight line will seriously benefit from this in S1 and S3 in quali

[Kerch]

The cars fast in a straight line will seriously benefit from this in S1 and S3 in quali

I expect all teams will set their gearing more towards the race, seeing how qualifying is less relevant nowadays. They'll probably be hitting the rev limiter half way down the straight.

[Lights]

I indeed think qualifying at Sepang won't be really important, overtaking will be so easy this way as long as your gearing is right.

[eronrules]

i think you'd be surprised regarding the effectiveness of the 2 DRS zones, as said, most cars will be geared for the race, so i don't think the first DRS zone will produce much if any overtaking. only tires falling off will cause DRS overtakes.

then again, when one car comes into pit, the rest will follow to cover him, thus negating much drama, unless some go for 3 and other go for 2 stops.

[wingwalker]

If they're pushing with two DRS zones (and they are), two detection zones is better than just one, as the overtaking driver won't a have a free DRS on the second straight just to get further away. But they got the concept so wrong on this track, this is how it should be done imo:



(sorry for paint lameness, DRS length isn't right, 1 should be shorter and 2nd should be longer, but you get the idea)

So the most obvious overtaking spot will be DRS free, but the other two would have DRS, which could result in lovely back to back fights.

Edited by wingwalker, 20 March 2013 - 13:32.

[eronrules]

If they're pushing with two DRS zones (and they are), two detection zones is better than just one, as the overtaking driver won't a have a free DRS on the second straight just to get further away. But they got the concept so wrong on this track, this is how it should be done imo:



(sorry for paint lameness, DRS length isn't right, 1 should be shorter and 2nd should be longer, but you get the idea)

So the most obvious overtaking spot will be DRS free, but the other two would have DRS, which could result in lovely back to back fights.

you do realize that the DRS2 zone is actually quiet short and curvy in real life.

[wingwalker]

Uhm it's not really that short (it is compared to main straight, but that's a one long ass straight) and Turn 3 would be (actually, it is) easily doable with flap open. Plus I don't think DRS should give a driver a free pass.

Edited by wingwalker, 20 March 2013 - 15:26.

[Lights]

you do realize that the DRS2 zone is actually quiet short and curvy in real life.

Looks perfect for a second DRS zone actually. Too long DRS zones just ruin racing.

[eronrules]

my point is, with the turn 2-3 curve, they won't allow opening drs, no matter how flat it is, thus the effective drs zone becomes the distance between no. 3 and 4, which is too short

[ApexMouse]

That curve is easily flat with DRS open.

[Skinnyguy]

my point is, with the turn 2-3 curve, they won't allow opening drs, no matter how flat it is, thus the effective drs zone becomes the distance between no. 3 and 4, which is too short

I´ve never seen a car struggling to get through there with DRS open in practice or qualifying, regardless of how lame the car was, how much fuel it carried... It´d be perfectly OK. Even with cars making sharp turns to get out of slipstreams/cover the inside there´d be no problem at all.

Think about it, Hockenheim DRS zone is a numbered corner in the circuit map too They could adjust this DRS zone length as they wished, from the very exit of 2 to the entry of 4 it´s perfectly OK for safety grounds if they decided it.

[icewest07]

my point is, with the turn 2-3 curve, they won't allow opening drs, no matter how flat it is, thus the effective drs zone becomes the distance between no. 3 and 4, which is too short

Well IIR, the 1st DRS zone in India last year was the pit straight which is pretty short as well...