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[kedia990]

Jeez, does this old fart ever stop?

Lewis Hamilton wanted help to get Red Bull seat (Autosport)

First he talks about how LH was prepared to take a sabbatical rather than race with McLaren with 2013, this was categorically refuted by LH.
Now he's on about how LH "pleaded with him last year to engineer a move to Red Bull."
What next?

Without making this thread pro-Hamilton or pro-any other driver, can I ask if anyone actually believes the trash that comes out of this fool's mouth?

[jonpollak]

Ahhh....
He's ok..
You'll see
Jp

[BigCHrome]

It makes sense. He'd be crazy not to try to go to the best team on the grid.

[SpaMaster]

Why do you think it is a lie? I can believe Hamilton asked for Ecclestone's help to move to Red Bull.

[rasul]

Why would Bernie lie about it? Sounds believable.

[woftam]

If Lewis has learned anything from talking to Bernie, it's don't trust him to keep his mouth shut.
Not a lot of class from Bernie talking to the press about such matters. I would have thought the conversation would have been confidential.

Edited by woftam, 24 March 2013 - 05:49.

[MP422]

They should have taken HAM.... I wanna see how the two young guns stack up against each other.

[TecnoRacing]

Wierd....sure Lewis, RB, and Merc really appreciate their machinations being shared (and no doubt morphed or hyperbolized) by Bernie to the press

Anyway, shocking news if true - Racedriver wanting to drive the fastest car on grid etc.

[Realyn]

Maybe they will in a season or two, if Hamilton gets his Mercedes stint done without another series of mental blowups.

[Bartonz20let]

"Had Mark gone, Dietrich would have signed Lewis."

Well that puts the theory about RBR not wanting/not thinking Lewis was good enough to bed, bloody mark! Would have been interesting.

Still, things have worked out well so far.

[packapoo]

If Lewis has learned anything from talking to Bernie, it's don't trust him to keep his mouth shut.
Not a lot of class from Bernie talking to the press about such matters. I would have thought the conversation would have been confidential.

Have to agree with you, absolutely.

Poor old bugger's loosing his marbles.

[f1seb]

Hahahaha you bunch of freaking hypocrites. Everyone on here would love to know about all the backroom deals that had occured throughout the history of F1, quite possibly Bernie just shed some light on one of the latest and most recent one of those deals. And all you perfect princess jump on the Bernie hate bandwagon. Oh I bet you're all so honorable.

Thanks Bernie, thanks for making this sport even that much more interesting and giving something to the fans to think and talk about.

[FigJam]

Absolutely believable. No doubt Bernie is speaking truth.

There is no doubt Vettel and Red Bull are protecting Seb's interests. Fair enough...he's delivered in spades...but there is no other reason for Mark Webber to have lasted that long in the other RB seat.

Vettel must love having him there...toothless threat.

No doubt Bernie would have loved the idea of LH moving to Red Bull. Bernie is all about the Box Office appeal of F1 and having heavyweight type title fights within teams. The fact it happens so rarely these days must irk him no doubt, think Senna/Prost, Alonso/hamilton, Mansell/Piquet. 10-15 years ago his dream was Schumacher/Villeneuve at Ferrari...

[CHIUNDA]

OK now this is very confusing:

1. Did Bernie get Lewis a job at Mercedes?
2. Did Ron Dennis fire Lewis from McLaren?
3. Did Lewis move for a challenge at Mercedes?
4. Did Lewis move for the money?
5. Did Niki Lauda convince Lewis to move to Mercedes?
6. Did Red Bull reject Lewis because he was no good?

Who among the fans, Bernie, Ron Dennis, Niki Lauda, Lewis, Ross Brawn and Martin Whitmarsh is telling the truth?

Seems all that matters now is that Lewis moved from McLaren to Mercedes - people, regardless of whether they are in the know or not, are just making the rest up.

[Longtimefan]

It would have been great, almost like the McLaren Prost-Senna days. I could see sparks flying

Sadly theres no way DM would allow his golden boy to be put under pressure.

[kedia990]

Hahahaha you bunch of freaking hypocrites. Everyone on here would love to know about all the backroom deals that had occured throughout the history of F1, quite possibly Bernie just shed some light on one of the latest and most recent one of those deals. And all you perfect princess jump on the Bernie hate bandwagon. Oh I bet you're all so honorable.

Thanks Bernie, thanks for making this sport even that much more interesting and giving something to the fans to think and talk about.

So you think its honorable to reveal communication carried out in confidentiality with someone? Yes, we'd love to know all the backroom deals, the politics, the ins-n-outs of contracts etc. etc., but would I like to know of them in this manner? One of the sport's eldest and most trusted figures spilling beans to the media, especially after his previous statement been clearly refuted? I don't think I'd prefer to know things this way, I don't know about you.

[Bartonz20let]

OK now this is very confusing:

1. Did Bernie get Lewis a job at Mercedes?
2. Did Ron Dennis fire Lewis from McLaren?
3. Did Lewis move for a challenge at Mercedes?
4. Did Lewis move for the money?
5. Did Niki Lauda convince Lewis to move to Mercedes?
6. Did Red Bull reject Lewis because he was no good?

Who among the fans, Bernie, Ron Dennis, Niki Lauda, Lewis, Ross Brawn and Martin Whitmarsh is telling the truth?

Seems all that matters now is that Lewis moved from McLaren to Mercedes - people, regardless of whether they are in the know or not, are just making the rest up.

Some of what you say was reported, some is just opinion, probibly a little truth in each statement but each not factually correct .

[toroRosso]

I like how you posted this fast enough to set the tone

It is true, there are things happening behind the scenes. That's the first thing my dad told me when I was 9 and watching F1

Edited by toroRosso, 24 March 2013 - 06:26.

[rasul]

Sadly theres no way DM would allow his golden boy to be put under pressure.

I've never seen DM particularly favoring Vettel. If anything, he seems far fonder of Webber. So I believe Bernie when he says Mateschitz said he felt loyalty to Mark and that's why they didn't sign Lewis.

[FigJam]

I've never seen DM particularly favoring Vettel. If anything, he seems far fonder of Webber. So I believe Bernie when he says Mateschitz said he felt loyalty to Mark and that's why they didn't sign Lewis.

Care to explain how you came to that conclusion?

[NotSoSilentBob]

I love that Webber's going to be even more under the skin of Hamilton's fans.

[Boxerevo]

Would be a nice move,without the kers problems.

[rasul]

Care to explain how you came to that conclusion?

I don't know, I just get this general impression. The one who constantly gushes about Vettel and belittles Mark is Marko. DM is supportive of him even when he's not delivering. DM has been known to say that Mark is every bit 'as good as' Vettel, etc. They seem to have a good relationship, so I believe Bernie when he says "Dietrich is a very honest, straightforward guy and told Mark the door was open for him to stay. Had Mark gone, Dietrich would have signed Lewis."

Edited by rasul, 24 March 2013 - 06:50.

[aray]

pretty much believable...though i think he is speaking truth,he shouldn't share this publicly...
...but again seeing he is THE BOSS,he can divulge anything he want to....

[F.M.]

Absolutely believable. No doubt Bernie is speaking truth.

There is no doubt Vettel and Red Bull are protecting Seb's interests. Fair enough...he's delivered in spades...but there is no other reason for Mark Webber to have lasted that long in the other RB seat.

Vettel must love having him there...toothless threat.

No doubt Bernie would have loved the idea of LH moving to Red Bull. Bernie is all about the Box Office appeal of F1 and having heavyweight type title fights within teams. The fact it happens so rarely these days must irk him no doubt, think Senna/Prost, Alonso/hamilton, Mansell/Piquet. 10-15 years ago his dream was Schumacher/Villeneuve at Ferrari...

Did you read the comments? No one inside Red Bull had a problem with Hamilton joining, including Vettel. So no protecting Vetttel going on

[InfectedPumpkin]

Every driver wants to go to Red Bull.
Red Bull = Championship for most of the drivers.

[Bartonz20let]

I love that Webber's going to be even more under the skin of Hamilton's fans.

Webber will never get under LH fans skin, nice guy but not competition to Lewis. Besides, RBR hardly looking strong at the moment.

[DILLIGAF]

I don't know, I just get this general impression. The one who constantly gushes about Vettel and belittles Mark is Marko. DM is supportive of him even when he's not delivering. DM has been known to say that Mark is every bit 'as good as' Vettel, etc. They seem to have a good relationship, so I believe Bernie when he says "Dietrich is a very honest, straightforward guy and told Mark the door was open for him to stay. Had Mark gone, Dietrich would have signed Lewis."

Mark & Dietrich do have a good relationship & a lot of respect for each other. Mark deals directly with DM over contract extensions nowadays rather than Horner & definately not with Marko. DM seems to be an honourable & loyal type of bloke which is pretty rare in the cuthroat nature of F1.

[mymemoryfails]

They should have taken HAM.... I wanna see how the two young guns stack up against each other.

have to settle for top gear laps


mymemoryfails

[f1seb]

So you think its honorable to reveal communication carried out in confidentiality with someone? Yes, we'd love to know all the backroom deals, the politics, the ins-n-outs of contracts etc. etc., but would I like to know of them in this manner? One of the sport's eldest and most trusted figures spilling beans to the media, especially after his previous statement been clearly refuted? I don't think I'd prefer to know things this way, I don't know about you.

What would you like then? A personal phone call perhaps? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the reason why the media exists? You know: books, magazines, newspapers, tv, internet, etc.

Edited by f1seb, 24 March 2013 - 07:24.

[ensign14]

Autosport mentioned that Hamilton approached both RB and Ferrari. Well, why wouldn't he? They're two of the best teams.

It's significant that both would turn down the driver who by common consensus is at least in the top two to give their number ones a clear run at things. Evidently they have more focus on the drivers' crown than the constructors'.

[alframsey]

Hahahaha you bunch of freaking hypocrites. Everyone on here would love to know about all the backroom deals that had occured throughout the history of F1, quite possibly Bernie just shed some light on one of the latest and most recent one of those deals. And all you perfect princess jump on the Bernie hate bandwagon. Oh I bet you're all so honorable.

Thanks Bernie, thanks for making this sport even that much more interesting and giving something to the fans to think and talk about.

I have to agree! When Lewis speaks honestly it's refreshing, yet when it is someone else they are breaking trust? I don't get it tbh.

[Jimisgod]

Does the little gremlin ever close his mouth?

[DanardiF1]

Mark & Dietrich do have a good relationship & a lot of respect for each other. Mark deals directly with DM over contract extensions nowadays rather than Horner & definately not with Marko. DM seems to be an honourable & loyal type of bloke which is pretty rare in the cuthroat nature of F1.

Doesn't Mateschitz still have some 'contracts' that were only agreed by handshake? Seems a pretty decent guy by all accounts, and like others have mentioned seems to have a soft spot for Webber. It's Marko that has a hard-on for Vettel and would probably prefer a one-car team to keeping Webber around.

[03011969]

Jeez, does this old fart ever stop?

Lewis Hamilton wanted help to get Red Bull seat (Autosport)

First he talks about how LH was prepared to take a sabbatical rather than race with McLaren with 2013, this was categorically refuted by LH.
Now he's on about how LH "pleaded with him last year to engineer a move to Red Bull."
What next?

Without making this thread pro-Hamilton or pro-any other driver, can I ask if anyone actually believes the trash that comes out of this fool's mouth?

Almost everything that comes out of Bernie's mouth is said for a good reason, even if it might not initially seem so.

That's why he's a billionaire and you're, I'm pretty confident, not.

And calling Bernie a 'fool' just makes you appear pretty naïve.

Edited by 3011969, 24 March 2013 - 07:38.

[as65p]

Autosport mentioned that Hamilton approached both RB and Ferrari. Well, why wouldn't he? They're two of the best teams.

It's significant that both would turn down the driver who by common consensus is at least in the top two to give their number ones a clear run at things. Evidently they have more focus on the drivers' crown than the constructors'.

Maybe it would be significant if the bolded part wasn't all conjecture.

In fact the article says almost the opposite, namely that Vettel wouldn't have cared and that RB would have signed LH if Webber had decided to quit.

[Sakae]

Autosport mentioned that Hamilton approached both RB and Ferrari. Well, why wouldn't he? They're two of the best teams.

It's significant that both would turn down the driver who by common consensus is at least in the top two to give their number ones a clear run at things. Evidently they have more focus on the drivers' crown than the constructors'.

Not to pour water on your parade, but other than being heavily promoted, what has our boy accomplished in his tender age (what, 28?)? After all that first class treatment at McLaren he has left the team in ruins, and now is seeking another first class treatment? Surprise, surprise.

Edited by Sakae, 24 March 2013 - 07:41.

[superdelphinus]

Sounds like he's trying to undermine Mercedes for some reason to me

[1Devil1]

He wants to be like Senna. Definitely he is like him in this aspect. Senna also want to swap to the best team if his team was not up to speed.

[FigJam]

Did you read the comments? No one inside Red Bull had a problem with Hamilton joining, including Vettel. So no protecting Vetttel going on

Pigs fly hey. Nice to know

[NotSoSilentBob]

Webber will never get under LH fans skin, nice guy but not competition to Lewis. Besides, RBR hardly looking strong at the moment.

You were saying?

[ensign14]

Not to pour water on your parade, but other than being heavily promoted, what has our boy accomplished in his tender age (what, 28?)? After all that first class treatment at McLaren he has left the team in ruins, and now is seeking another first class treatment? Surprise, surprise.

A ****load more than Webber despite inferior equipment for the last four years.

[Disgrace]

Yep, Red Bull should definitely have Hamilton in the car...

[maverick69]

Lewis less than happy:

"He seems to only make comments about me for some reason," said Hamilton when asked for his feelings on Ecclestone's remarks.

"It makes me a bit nervous because we have quite a good relationship and I'm quite open with him about a lot of stuff.

"I don't really know what to say about the comments he made.

"I think he said something about me talking to Red Bull? I said to my management team to speak to all the teams and give me what the best options were.

"There was no particular one that I was pushing for more.

"At the end of the day I am here [Mercedes] and it's the best decision I have ever made."

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/106375

[KnucklesAgain]

(...)
"It makes me a bit nervous because we have quite a good relationship and I'm quite open with him about a lot of stuff.
(...)

Not a surprise that he is unhappy ...