Vettel is allowed to pit first
Webber loses all his lead, and then probably the race victory
Unfar pit decision?
Vettel should NOT have been allowed to make final stop first IMO
Edited by V8 Fireworks, 24 March 2013 - 09:32.
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:31
Edited by V8 Fireworks, 24 March 2013 - 09:32.
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:49
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Status - 21 : HOLD STATIONAs much as I dislike Vettel and Red Bull, this wasn't unfair. Webber was still leading after the pit stops. The point is, he just isn't good enough and he was keeping up Vettel for large parts of the race already. In the end, Vettel was going to attack him anyway and most likely win, whether he pitted first or second. Webber had the better tyres in the end and still couldn't win, so that's that.
Edited by V8 Fireworks, 24 March 2013 - 10:06.
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:10
Status - 21 : HOLD STATION
Vettel ignored it.
Webber had his engined turned down.
Not expecting to be challenged.
100 % conclusive in my book.
RBR
Great job on the car.
Pit wall: Horner, Marko?? Someone screwed up BIG TIME
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:11
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:13
Status - 21 : HOLD STATION
Vettel ignored it.
Edited by sv401, 24 March 2013 - 10:23.
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:14
That's trueWe have seen Webber attack Vettel in the past in similar situations, and that too after stern warning from the team.
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:21
As it was Vettel would have closed up anyway. The thing is that I don't know about engine turndowns on either car and how fast they really were. Hold position is something we've seen more often in the past, not just today....That's true
BUT
It would have been much easier for Webber to block Vettel, if Webber had pitted first and kept his 3 second lead.
The way some others have posted make it sound like a 0.01s lead on cold tyres is the same as a 3s lead on warm tyres in their opinion. Webber would have had the latter, had he pitted first, and Vettel -- ignoring orders or not -- would not have had the chance to pass.
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:23
Yeah, but then it was team's mistake to pit Vettel for the first stop when he was the leader and there was no need to play him guinea pig in that situation of cross over from intermediates to slicks. Vettel was the leader at that point and lost his lead not because of his mistake.That's true
BUT
It would have been much easier for Webber to block Vettel, if Webber had pitted first and kept his 3 second lead.
The way some others have posted make it sound like a 0.01s lead on cold tyres is the same as a 3s lead on warm tyres in their opinion. Webber would have had the latter, had he pitted first, and Vettel -- ignoring orders or not -- would not have had the chance to pass.
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:23
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:33
Race fixing involving the two top teams and 4 drivers. Far worse than Ferrari asking the slower Massa to move over.
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:42
Edited by fabr68, 24 March 2013 - 10:43.
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:48
Come on, make an effort and name 5 races when he did hold station.I bet Webber is super pissed.
How many times has he been asked to "hold station" towards the end of the race when he was faster than Vettel. I lost count really.
Cheap shot by Vettel. But hey, Vettel should expect the same kind of "courtesy" from Webber from now on.
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:11
If MW was so much slower, why didn't SV overtake? Gotta wait for team orders, I suppose...If asking the slower driver to move over is OK (or is it only when done by Ferrari ?), then Red Bull could easily have avoided the drama earlier in the race by telling Webber to move out of the way when he was holding up Vettel But I somehow suspect they would also have been hated at least as much in that case anyway, so there is no way to win. Red Bull and Vettel are evil and unsporting, no matter what.
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:15
OMG. If this Ferrari instead of Vettel/Red Bull, this forum would turn to ****.
I bet Webber is super pissed.
How many times has he been asked to "hold station" towards the end of the race when he was faster than Vettel. I lost count really.
Cheap shot by Vettel. But hey, Vettel should expect the same kind of "courtesy" from Webber from now on.
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:53
If MW was so much slower, why didn't SV overtake?
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:55
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:58
OMG. If this Ferrari instead of Vettel/Red Bull, this forum would turn to ****.
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:59
I kinda want to see the OP as a F1 team chef with refulling in place. You want to pit for fuel? No sorry, your teammate in front hasn't allowed that yet.
Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:39
Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:46
Pathetic whining thread. Webber was not overtaken in the pits, but rather on the track, and if he pitted earlier, his tyres would have been older in the final stint, resulting in an even greater lap time difference. Webber was slower for most of the race (except when Vettel was holding back because of team orders or conserving the tyres), and it is only better pit strategy early in the race that put him temporarily in the lead in the first place. Given that Red Bull used team orders on Vettel repeatedly to stop him from attacking, and were apparently rather unhappy about the pass, to claim that the team was unfair to Webber is simply ridiculous and is mostly driven by the usual blind hatred towards Vettel. The faster Red Bull driver won the race on merit.
Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:53
Webber had 3.5s lead
Vettel is allowed to pit first
Webber loses all his lead, and then probably the race victory
Unfar pit decision?
Vettel should NOT have been allowed to make final stop first IMO
Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:57
I don't care about who pitted first, but Vettel passed Webber because he didn't obey the previously agreed-to team order to turn down his engine to Multi 21 while Webber did. He attacked using a full-strength car to pass one that had been slowed.As much as I dislike Vettel and Red Bull, this wasn't unfair. Webber was still leading after the pit stops. The point is, he just isn't good enough and he was keeping up Vettel for large parts of the race already. In the end, Vettel was going to attack him anyway and most likely win, whether he pitted first or second. Webber had the better tyres in the end and still couldn't win, so that's that.
The idiocy on these forums is rampant. Mark was on lower revs and on the tyre which was obviously way slower. Everyone else who had hards was struggling as well, while the mediums were flying. Look at Massa in the closing stages...
Edited by AustinF1, 25 March 2013 - 09:00.
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Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:10
I'm pretty sure Mark had turned his engine up before the fight after seeing Vettel harass him for 2 laps. This view is strengthened by the fact he was able to challenge Seb pretty hard on the following lap on DRS, you'd think Seb would've just immediately disappeared had Mark's engine been turned down still.
Edited by MikeV1987, 25 March 2013 - 09:12.
Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:12
Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:14
Doesn't matter, it appears there's no team at RB.
Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:32