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#1 micktosin

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:44

What do you guys think of the Mercedes team orders? As a Lewis fan i have to say this is shameful.

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#2 Skinnyguy

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:45

BOOOOOOO!!! :down: :down:

They should learn from RB. If Lewis had to go slow, tough luck.

#3 jstrains

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:46

Nico on the radio: "Remember this one"

#4 Disgrace

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:46

Team let them race until the Red Bull fight finished. Top job by Mercedes.

#5 yoyogetfunky

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:46

What do you guys think of the Mercedes team orders? As a Lewis fan i have to say this is shameful.


:up: What a disgrace if this is how the team wants to carry Hamilton. He doesnt need this. That said Rosberg shouldv made his own decision like Vettel. The FIA should stamp hard on this anti-racing behaviour.

#6 Kerch

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:47

Team orders are legal. There is no evidence of favoritism unless they apply a different rule when Nico and Lewis are switched around.



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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:48

Team let them race until the Red Bull fight finished. Top job by Mercedes.


Exactly.

#8 Diablobb81

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:48

Team let them race until the Red Bull fight finished. Top job by Mercedes.


BS. Nico was much faster and could have overtaken Lewis easily.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:48

This was the way Brawn said sorry to Lewis for not been able to fight for P1.
Underfuelling the car is a major error from the team :down:

#10 athlon

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:49

As a Mercedes-fan I disagreed with this. Will Brawn do this when the race is for the P1?

#11 f1fastestlap

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:49

BS. Nico was much faster and could have overtaken Lewis easily.


No, he was not until Lewis was told to save fuel...

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:49

BS. Nico was much faster and could have overtaken Lewis easily.


What's BS? Mercedes were trading positions at the same time the big fight for the lead was happening. They were racing during the final stint. The net gain for letting it go on for Mercedes was 0 points.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:50

So Lewis should pay for Mercedes issue. He was ahead on merit all through the race, they owed it to him. Nico had to take one for team. All drivers hold station at the last stint. Nico was a cry baby, not like he was ever going to overtake the Rb'S

#14 Kerch

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:50

BS. Nico was much faster and could have overtaken Lewis easily.


It's easy to be much faster when you don't drive to the target lap and the other driver does.

This is what F1 is like now.

#15 karlth

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:50

If Nico was just faster on pace then this was unfair. If Hamilton's pace was due to a mechanical or fuel issue then it is less clear.

#16 Skinnyguy

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:52

If Nico was just faster on pace then this was unfair. If Hamilton's pace was due to a mechanical or fuel issue then it is less clear.


If he had less fuel than he needed, he should have adapted his pace since the issue emerged and tried thes fastest possible run to the line, instead of being babysitted in the final laps. It´s just as clear.

#17 ensign14

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:53

Pretty obvious. They ballsed up Hamilton's fuel allocation so decided to hold station so as to make it fair. Hamilton was faster in qualifying and the early part of the race, of course.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:54

This was the way Brawn said sorry to Lewis for not been able to fight for P1.
Underfuelling the car is a major error from the team :down:

I think both Nico and Lewis had the same amount of fuel. Lewis probably just used more of it in the early stages.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:54

I blame team radio. Let the drivers be completely alone for the full race distance, except for emergencies. Pit boards on the straight tell them to pit.

Radio gives us deltas and this crap, where drivers cry to the team bosses who then stifle the racing.

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#20 Xeriks

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:55

Definitely not happy with what just took place, Hamilton seems embarrassed to be up there on the podium!

#21 superdelphinus

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:55

Funny that this has its own thread but the rbr one which is obviously carrying tremendous amounts of animosity between the drivers, doesn't

#22 F1ultimate

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:55

I am a Lewis fan and can't say that I'm proud of him getting a 3rd handed to him.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:57

Bad call.. im outraged... they should have let Nico pass.. im a Lewis supporter but this is not the way to do it.. let them fight.. Nico won this round in my eyes.. and getting this call against him will only make him hate the team and Lewis.. not the right way.. WE ARE NOT FERRARI !!! Lewis looked not pleased by the situation !!

#24 yoyogetfunky

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:58

Team let them race until the Red Bull fight finished. Top job by Mercedes.



No they didnt. Rosberg was quicker all race yet all pitstops went to Lewis first, and then after 30 laps Roisberg had to bend over for Hamilton while he couldv challenged the red bulls for the win. Disgraceful.

#25 Xeriks

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:02

I'm glad Hamilton admitted that Nico should of been up there, this certainly hasn't been the best of days for Mercedes, yes they got a podium finish but everyone seems disappointed, I definitely am!

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:03

No they didnt. Rosberg was quicker all race yet all pitstops went to Lewis first, and then after 30 laps Roisberg had to bend over for Hamilton while he couldv challenged the red bulls for the win. Disgraceful.


So they were trading positions for the cameras?

#27 F.M.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:04

I think both Nico and Lewis had the same amount of fuel. Lewis probably just used more of it in the early stages.

Edit: Thinking about it, I think Hamilton used too much fuel re-overtaking Rosberg and staying ahead of him early in the last stint.

Edited by F.M., 24 March 2013 - 10:05.


#28 Louis Mr. F1

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:06

Team orders are legal. There is no evidence of favoritism unless they apply a different rule when Nico and Lewis are switched around.


No Rosberg was much faster than Hamilton and could have continue their fight with Red Bull

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:06

lauda says lewis used too much fuel at the beginning, so he was not underfueled

#30 Watkins74

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:07

I thought Hamilton showed a lot of humility and class on the podium.

#31 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:11

if hamilton was so embarrassed about it he should have told the team on the radio he is letting nico through.


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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:11

lauda live on rtl not happy with brawn decision

#33 ForzaGTR

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:12

As Lewis fan I did not enjoy this one. The race goes to Rosberg for me. I have huge respect for Nico after this though.

#34 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:12

lauda says lewis used too much fuel at the beginning, so he was not underfueled

that's still a massive advantage to his team mate that used the normal amount and maybe looked a bit slower.
when the line is drawn the first one gets the advantage

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:12

lauda says lewis used too much fuel at the beginning, so he was not underfueled


Stupid Lewis driving too quickly!

This doesn't feel good as a Lewis fan, team v driver interests is a difficult equation to manage and we don't know all the pertinent information yet.

#36 Xeriks

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:13

if hamilton was so embarrassed about it he should have told the team on the radio he is letting nico through.

Hamilton didn't exactly block Rosberg at any point though? Rosberg was the one slowing down, if he wanted he could of easily overtaken him and there was nothing Hamilton could've done so how is it his fault?

#37 yoyogetfunky

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:13

I thought Hamilton showed a lot of humility and class on the podium.


Yeah, except for the part where he said 'this is racing'. This isnt racing, and if he thought it was so bad, he shouldv waved Rosberg through.

#38 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:14

Hamilton didn't exactly block Rosberg at any point though? Rosberg was the one slowing down, if he wanted he could of easily overtaken him and there was nothing Hamilton could've done so how is it his fault?

not saying it's his fault :)
but if he felt so embarrassed about it he should have waved nico by

#39 kosmos

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:14

Massive respect for Hamilton (not happy with the podium and honest), and to Nico for being magnanimous.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:17

if hamilton was so embarrassed about it he should have told the team on the radio he is letting nico through.


My thoughts exactly. Nothing noble in saying the words, only in doing the deed.

#41 ensign14

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:17

lauda says lewis used too much fuel at the beginning, so he was not underfueled

During the race the commentators said Merc told Hamilton to let rip, as there was no tyre risk. So they probably forgot about the fuel - and when he didn't get the benefit of passing a Red Bull it compromised the latter part of the race.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:18

Kind of unfair to Rosberg. He was the best Mercedes driver today. Kudos for both of them: Hamilton for admiting Nico was better, Rosberg for respecting team decisions.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:18

then wolf came in, and lauda said i know you don't like this either, they both agreed its not the politics of mercedes, toto said it was brawn decision, brawns seat is a little warmer after today

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:24

Hamilton was the faster man for most of the race .. He was then told to drive to conserve. Would be unfair to take his spot due to that. Ross also pointed out that the cars were in the middle of nowhere.. There was no chance for Rosberg to catch the cars in front and the cars behind were 15 seconds....

Hold station and bring the cars home was the right call .. Whether Rosberg likes it or not. Im sure the favor will be repaid at some point... Rosberg is no slowpoke.. his payback will come.

I also liked Hamilton's humility and acknowledgement of Rosberg's pace on the podium.

#45 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:26

Hamilton was the faster man for most of the race .. He was then told to drive to conserve. Would be unfair to take his spot due to that.

but he was faster using more fuel than he was supposed to!

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:26

Not a Nico fan but this was disgusting, letting him go wouldn't have hurt the team, they'd have got the same amount of points. It's kicking Nico and demotivating him.

Ross Brawn.. Idiot



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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:27

but he was faster using more fuel than he was supposed to!


He doesnt and isnt responsible for fueling his own car ...

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:28

Hamilton was the faster man for most of the race .. He was then told to drive to conserve. Would be unfair to take his spot due to that. Ross also pointed out that the cars were in the middle of nowhere.. There was no chance for Rosberg to catch the cars in front and the cars behind were 15 seconds....

Hold station and bring the cars home was the right call .. Whether Rosberg likes it or not. Im sure the favor will be repaid at some point... Rosberg is no slowpoke.. his payback will come.

I also liked Hamilton's humility and acknowledgement of Rosberg's pace on the podium.


i think Rosberg was much faster than Hamilton through out the race today (0.2 to 0.4 sec per lap) and only fell back each time after bad pit strategy.

#49 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:29

yes, but he either had
a) more power due to running a high mixture longer than rosberg
b) a lighter car

so using the argument that "it was unfair to lose his spot in the end because he was faster at the beginning" with either a or b being true is not very valid
he looked faster at the beginning having un unfair advantage

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:29

Not a Nico fan but this was disgusting, letting him go wouldn't have hurt the team, they'd have got the same amount of points. It's kicking Nico and demotivating him.

Ross Brawn.. Idiot


beside, Nico could have challenged the Red Bull if he was allowed to pass.