Mercedes team orders
#1
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:44
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#2
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:45
They should learn from RB. If Lewis had to go slow, tough luck.
#3
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:46
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:46
#5
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:46
What do you guys think of the Mercedes team orders? As a Lewis fan i have to say this is shameful.
What a disgrace if this is how the team wants to carry Hamilton. He doesnt need this. That said Rosberg shouldv made his own decision like Vettel. The FIA should stamp hard on this anti-racing behaviour.
#6
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:47
#7
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:48
Team let them race until the Red Bull fight finished. Top job by Mercedes.
Exactly.
#8
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:48
Team let them race until the Red Bull fight finished. Top job by Mercedes.
BS. Nico was much faster and could have overtaken Lewis easily.
#9
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:48
Underfuelling the car is a major error from the team
#10
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:49
#11
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:49
BS. Nico was much faster and could have overtaken Lewis easily.
No, he was not until Lewis was told to save fuel...
#12
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:49
BS. Nico was much faster and could have overtaken Lewis easily.
What's BS? Mercedes were trading positions at the same time the big fight for the lead was happening. They were racing during the final stint. The net gain for letting it go on for Mercedes was 0 points.
#13
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:50
#14
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:50
BS. Nico was much faster and could have overtaken Lewis easily.
It's easy to be much faster when you don't drive to the target lap and the other driver does.
This is what F1 is like now.
#15
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:50
#16
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:52
If Nico was just faster on pace then this was unfair. If Hamilton's pace was due to a mechanical or fuel issue then it is less clear.
If he had less fuel than he needed, he should have adapted his pace since the issue emerged and tried thes fastest possible run to the line, instead of being babysitted in the final laps. It´s just as clear.
#17
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:53
#18
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:54
I think both Nico and Lewis had the same amount of fuel. Lewis probably just used more of it in the early stages.This was the way Brawn said sorry to Lewis for not been able to fight for P1.
Underfuelling the car is a major error from the team
#19
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:54
Radio gives us deltas and this crap, where drivers cry to the team bosses who then stifle the racing.
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:55
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:55
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:55
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:57
#24
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:58
Team let them race until the Red Bull fight finished. Top job by Mercedes.
No they didnt. Rosberg was quicker all race yet all pitstops went to Lewis first, and then after 30 laps Roisberg had to bend over for Hamilton while he couldv challenged the red bulls for the win. Disgraceful.
#25
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:02
#26
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:03
No they didnt. Rosberg was quicker all race yet all pitstops went to Lewis first, and then after 30 laps Roisberg had to bend over for Hamilton while he couldv challenged the red bulls for the win. Disgraceful.
So they were trading positions for the cameras?
#27
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:04
Edit: Thinking about it, I think Hamilton used too much fuel re-overtaking Rosberg and staying ahead of him early in the last stint.I think both Nico and Lewis had the same amount of fuel. Lewis probably just used more of it in the early stages.
Edited by F.M., 24 March 2013 - 10:05.
#28
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:06
Team orders are legal. There is no evidence of favoritism unless they apply a different rule when Nico and Lewis are switched around.
No Rosberg was much faster than Hamilton and could have continue their fight with Red Bull
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:06
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:07
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:11
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:11
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:12
#34
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:12
that's still a massive advantage to his team mate that used the normal amount and maybe looked a bit slower.lauda says lewis used too much fuel at the beginning, so he was not underfueled
when the line is drawn the first one gets the advantage
#35
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:12
lauda says lewis used too much fuel at the beginning, so he was not underfueled
Stupid Lewis driving too quickly!
This doesn't feel good as a Lewis fan, team v driver interests is a difficult equation to manage and we don't know all the pertinent information yet.
#36
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:13
Hamilton didn't exactly block Rosberg at any point though? Rosberg was the one slowing down, if he wanted he could of easily overtaken him and there was nothing Hamilton could've done so how is it his fault?if hamilton was so embarrassed about it he should have told the team on the radio he is letting nico through.
#37
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:13
I thought Hamilton showed a lot of humility and class on the podium.
Yeah, except for the part where he said 'this is racing'. This isnt racing, and if he thought it was so bad, he shouldv waved Rosberg through.
#38
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:14
not saying it's his faultHamilton didn't exactly block Rosberg at any point though? Rosberg was the one slowing down, if he wanted he could of easily overtaken him and there was nothing Hamilton could've done so how is it his fault?
but if he felt so embarrassed about it he should have waved nico by
#39
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:14
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#40
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:17
if hamilton was so embarrassed about it he should have told the team on the radio he is letting nico through.
My thoughts exactly. Nothing noble in saying the words, only in doing the deed.
#41
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:17
During the race the commentators said Merc told Hamilton to let rip, as there was no tyre risk. So they probably forgot about the fuel - and when he didn't get the benefit of passing a Red Bull it compromised the latter part of the race.lauda says lewis used too much fuel at the beginning, so he was not underfueled
#42
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:18
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:18
#44
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:24
Hold station and bring the cars home was the right call .. Whether Rosberg likes it or not. Im sure the favor will be repaid at some point... Rosberg is no slowpoke.. his payback will come.
I also liked Hamilton's humility and acknowledgement of Rosberg's pace on the podium.
#45
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:26
but he was faster using more fuel than he was supposed to!Hamilton was the faster man for most of the race .. He was then told to drive to conserve. Would be unfair to take his spot due to that.
#46
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:26
Ross Brawn.. Idiot
#47
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:27
but he was faster using more fuel than he was supposed to!
He doesnt and isnt responsible for fueling his own car ...
#48
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:28
Hamilton was the faster man for most of the race .. He was then told to drive to conserve. Would be unfair to take his spot due to that. Ross also pointed out that the cars were in the middle of nowhere.. There was no chance for Rosberg to catch the cars in front and the cars behind were 15 seconds....
Hold station and bring the cars home was the right call .. Whether Rosberg likes it or not. Im sure the favor will be repaid at some point... Rosberg is no slowpoke.. his payback will come.
I also liked Hamilton's humility and acknowledgement of Rosberg's pace on the podium.
i think Rosberg was much faster than Hamilton through out the race today (0.2 to 0.4 sec per lap) and only fell back each time after bad pit strategy.
#49
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:29
a) more power due to running a high mixture longer than rosberg
b) a lighter car
so using the argument that "it was unfair to lose his spot in the end because he was faster at the beginning" with either a or b being true is not very valid
he looked faster at the beginning having un unfair advantage
#50
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:29
Not a Nico fan but this was disgusting, letting him go wouldn't have hurt the team, they'd have got the same amount of points. It's kicking Nico and demotivating him.
Ross Brawn.. Idiot
beside, Nico could have challenged the Red Bull if he was allowed to pass.