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[Forma1]

Every Ferrari-hater has been poiting at Ferrari for ages for applying team orders.
I am not against it, but whoever criticizes Ferrari, has to consider as a theatre what Mercedes and RB did.

Mercedes didn't let Rosberg go however the German was more than a second quicker than the Briton, because Lewis had to go for a massive fuel saing mode.
RB: the whole pit crwe were cheering for Vettel.
And one other thing: I still keep hearing Smedley's sentence -"Alonso is faster than you"- and Alonso's claim: "This is ridiculous". Now it is time to grab at Seb's claim: "He is slower than me."

[Vesuvius]

Every Ferrari-hater has been poiting at Ferrari for ages for applying team orders.
I am not against it, but whoever criticizes Ferrari, has to consider as a theatre what Mercedes and RB did.

Mercedes didn't let Rosberg go however the German was more than a second quicker than the Briton, because Lewis had to go for a massive fuel saing mode.
RB: the whole pit crwe were cheering for Vettel.
And one other thing: I still keep hearing Smedley's sentence -"Alonso is faster than you"- and Alonso's claim: "This is ridiculous". Now it is time to grab at Seb's claim: "He is slower than me."

it was Vettels own team crew that cheered, others did not.

[zapppa83]

Only Ferrari do it

[showtime]

I don't like what the OP is suggesting, get him out of the way!

[Les]

The thing is Vettel has broken the agreement and its wrong in my book but ultimately he knows he'll he's won the race and there's not really much that can be done for Mark, sadly for him. Really a big psychological blow from Vettel whatever the wrongs and rights.

[Alx09]

I would guess that when Rosberg said "Remember this" it implies that it should be the other way around next time, if a similar situation appears.

Vettel on the other hand seem to have broken team orders, as apparently RB had the positions decided and Mark went on saving engine/tyres. I can't imagine how angry Mark must feel - but also Nico, but good to see Lewis/Nico hugging after the race.

[Nonesuch]

Yes. Vettel is a proven three time WDC, while Webber himself admitted he has lacked consistency across a season. Hamilton is a WDC as well, and Rosberg had 0 points from Australia due to his DNF. Hamilton might have a chance this year, but Brawn knows they'll have to play it right; perhaps somewhat like Frentzen in 1999, Raikkonen in 2003, Kubica in 2008 or Raikkonen in 2012.

F1 is a team-sport; not a 'massage the ego of a 20-something'.

[chumma]

I can understand Mercedes but at the same time, Lewis was so much slower. Red Bull though was simply Vettel not playing by the rules. He has never had much grace, and he will always be a bad winner. Basically, I don't like the "I will do anything I can to win" when, if the shoe was on the other foot, Mark would have obeyed the team, I hope that, should this situation occur later in the season and Seb is in position to fight for title and its close, that Mark completely screws him.

[W154]

Yes. Vettel is a proven three time WDC, while Webber himself admitted he has lacked consistency across a season. Hamilton is a WDC as well, and Rosberg had 0 points from Australia due to his DNF. Hamilton might have a chance this year, but Brawn knows they'll have to play it right; perhaps somewhat like Frentzen in 1999, Raikkonen in 2003, Kubica in 2008 or Raikkonen in 2012.

F1 is a team-sport; not a 'massage the ego of a 20-something'.

Please explain!!

[F1ultimate]

Meanwhile at Ferrari.

[rt99]

4 drivers with their races fixed way before the end is far worse than Ferrari asking the slower Massa to pull aside one place in Germany 3 years ago (an event that still had the forum cry babies up in arms the last couple of weeks )

[rt99]

And one other thing: I still keep hearing Smedley's sentence -"Alonso is faster than you"- and Alonso's claim: "This is ridiculous". Now it is time to grab at Seb's claim: "He is slower than me."

But the difference is that Massa didnt have his engine turned down or had been told to save his car until the end. Webber was in effect crippled and could have probably put up a good fight.

[Diablobb81]

But the difference is that Massa didnt have his engine turned down or had been told to save his car until the end. Webber was in effect crippled and could have probably put up a good fight.

Except Massa's engine was turned down.

[Nonesuch]

Please explain!!

You're right, Webber is a little older so I should have worded this differently. The thing is, while Red Bull could have pulled a McLaren and ordered Vettel to return the place to stick to the 'agreement' (Australia 1998), they didn't, and I think that was a good decision because I am convinced Vettel is Red Bull's best chance of winning the WDC this year. This might be only the second race of the year, but Horner is responsible for the team as a whole and he is right not to ignore history - a history that shows Vettel is a 3x WDC while Webber has only won a handful of races spread across the years. If putting the interest of the team first means hurting Webber's feelings, then so be it.

Edited by Nonesuch, 24 March 2013 - 11:07.

[choyothe]

Nope, it was definitely wrong for both Merc and RB to use team orders against Nico and Seb respectively.

I don't like what the OP is suggesting, get him out of the way!

"Keep the gap at 3 seconds, Seb, the race is long"

[yoyogetfunky]

Suggestion, and Im a Vettel fan: scrap the results of both Mercedes and Red Bull from todays race for bringing the sport into disrepute. Vettel showed the tyre saving never had to impede the racing with what appeared to be an awesome fight with Webber (though the latter turned down his engine), and Rosberg will walk like a sailor for a couple of days. This does not attract sponsors!

[KnucklesAgain]

The thing is Vettel has broken the agreement and its wrong in my book but ultimately he knows he'll he's won the race and there's not really much that can be done for Mark, sadly for him. Really a big psychological blow from Vettel whatever the wrongs and rights.

Actually if he is so sorry he can easily give back the win the next time they are running 1-2 with Vettel in front.

[bauss]

Suggestion, and Im a Vettel fan: scrap the results of both Mercedes and Red Bull from todays race for bringing the sport into disrepute. Vettel showed the tyre saving never had to impede the racing with what appeared to be an awesome fight with Webber (though the latter turned down his engine), and Rosberg will walk like a sailor for a couple of days. This does not attract sponsors!

[F1EC]

Actually if he is so sorry he can easily give back the win the next time they are running 1-2 with Vettel in front.

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