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Webber vs Vettel - Malaysia 2013 - who was right?


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#1 FastestSector

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:13

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

A big fight but who was in the right?

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#2 Cool Beans

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:17

Sebastian took a petulant sucker punch on a team mate who'd been ordered to tune the engine down and coast to the end of the race. In what reality is a bitch move like that right?

#3 BigCHrome

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:18

Webber was in car saving mode. Vettel will hopefully get what he deserves.

#4 DanardiF1

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:18

Well seeing as Webber had his hands tied behind his back by already turning the engine down and preparing for the finish, what could he do? Vettel was also a bit rough in turn 1 trying to put Webber in grass...

#5 f1fastestlap

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:22

Vettel's a pr*ck and that's it...

PS: Autosport, please update your servers, it's getting ridiculous...

#6 jrg19

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:23

Vettel showed his true colours.

#7 lokiman

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:24

Vettel: complete and utter prick.

#8 Bartonz20let

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:25

Vettel's a pr*ck and that's it...

PS: Autosport, please update your servers, it's getting ridiculous...


If he wins the WDC this will certainly tarnish it.

#9 choyothe

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:25

Pathetic move by Webber on the front straight, as bad as Schumi on RB and his trademark.

Brilliant finish from Seb in that battle. So sweet.

Edited by choyothe, 24 March 2013 - 10:26.


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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:26

vettel spoiled brat who tries to win at all costs

#11 jrg19

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:26

Reminded me why I don't support such a driver.

#12 Disgrace

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:26

If he wins the WDC this will certainly tarnish it.


No it won't.

#13 LiJu914

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:27

Vettel pulled off a "Webber-Silverstone 2011", but unlike him successfully. That´s probably the main reason, why Mark went into hyprocisy-mode.

#14 LukeM

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:27

Vettel thinks being ruthless like Schumi is ok, but all it does it make even more people hate his guts even more.

#15 ElDictatore

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:28

Webber said "Multi 21" or something of the sort which is an order = Driver nr. 2 leads driver nr. 1
"12" is an order which says Driver nr. 1 leads driver nr. 2 (source: Niki Lauda on RTL)

Vettel just said it himself in the official press conference (not the one on the podium) that he got the order to stay at position 2 and apologized to the team and to Webber!
That's why Webber was so pissed and that's why Newey and Horner were going nuts on the pitwall!

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:28

If he wins the WDC this will certainly tarnish it.

It won't.

#17 seahawk

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:28

Unacceptable behaviour by Vettel.

#18 Kerch

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:29

Drivers are employees of the team. Vettel is not being respectful to them, which is strange considering they have given him 3 WDCs.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:29

Vettel: complete and utter prick.

Absolutely.
I don't know how anyone can still respect him after such a move.

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#20 superdelphinus

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:29

Yeah have to say it was a pretty big mistake from vettel, disappointing to be honest

#21 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:29

Today was a classic example of Vettel being far from a top driver. Unbelievable that this guy has three world titles. Possibly one of the drivers who is least worthy of having a world title.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:29

tbh I don't care if it was right or wrong, that's the racing I want to see and let his team cry all they want. He may be a real whiner at times but all I care about is that he is a great fighter, spoilt or not.

#23 fisssssi

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:30

Vettel thinks he can get away with shit like this, little does he realise that Webber doesn't forget, it's probably his last season in a competitive car, and hes got 17 races to return the favour.

Can't wait for that day!

#24 choyothe

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:33

Drivers are employees of the team. Vettel is not being respectful to them, which is strange considering they have given him 3 WDCs.


The team was not respectful to him in this race.


Today was a classic example of Vettel being far from a top driver. Unbelievable that this guy has three world titles. Possibly one of the drivers who is least worthy of having a world title.


:rotfl: Brilliant.

#25 timmy bolt

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:33

Vettel just said it himself in the official press conference (not the one on the podium) that he got the order to stay at position 2 and apologized to the team and to Webber!
That's why Webber was so pissed and that's why Newey and Horner were going nuts on the pitwall!


That makes it even worse, I would prefer him to be ruthless or a team player. Instead he gets the points then goes into damage limitation mode with Webber and the team with some crocodile tears.

#26 SunnyENTP

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:33

Vettel took care of business. He did not become 3 time world champ by being a mug. Alonso would have done the same thing.

#27 Diderlo

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:34

I think that in normal situation Webber would have pit first to get those hards and Vettel after that to get those mediums and the gap between Webber and Vettel would have been much bigger, but in this case Red Bull wanted to have as big a gap as possible between Red Bulls and Mercedes so therefore Vettel pit first. Vettel got abnormal advantage and I think that is why Red Bull gave that team order, sort of to even things up / not to have Webber lose because of that.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:34

Firstly, this is why I don't like team orders, and a good case for radio being banned except for emergency maybe? But to be fair it seems like webber has held station many a time and had turned his car down so vettel should not have done it. Actually pretty low, although I enjoyed every second of it even though webber came out second best.

Love that these two are at each other again!

If Horner and Newey are not celebrating a vettel victory on the pitwall you can be sure there is a very good reason for it.

#29 gillesthegenius

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:34

Let me get this straight...
Vettel is a prick at Silvo 2011 and he is a prick now too???

What type of goggles do some people wear? Pathetic.

Edited by gillesthegenius, 24 March 2013 - 10:43.


#30 Dalton007

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:35

Vettel is a racer, wants it badly, just like Senna did. Vettel is going into the history books as one of the current greats. :) Webber wasn't quick enough today.

#31 MikeV1987

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:35

When Webber is told to hold position and goes against orders he gets applauded, when Vettel does it, races him wheel to wheel for P1 and beats him, then Vettel's the prick.

Makes sense guys.

#32 muramasa

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:36


Vettel's fault but some people seem to be going very extreme as usual.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:36

tbh I don't care if it was right or wrong, that's the racing I want to see and let his team cry all they want. He may be a real whiner at times but all I care about is that he is a great fighter, spoilt or not.


Pretty easy to look like a great fighter when your opponent has been ordered to fight with one hand tied....

#34 Hairy

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:36

He mugged Webber and that's just wrong; the team told BOTH drivers to hold position, and one of them ignored it, and that's pretty cheap. It just shows what kind of person that Vettel is, and that's not a nice picture. Winners are winners, but not at any, or all costs.

Pretty cheap.

#35 Went

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:37

This was a mix between the "Alonso is faster than you", the Alo pit strategy from last week and the 2010 Red Bull crash all together at once.

Edited by Went, 24 March 2013 - 10:37.


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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:37

Pretty easy to look like a great fighter when your opponent has been ordered to fight with one hand tied....

Vettel: my apologize. That i have manipulated the team.

Very sorry



Rofl :stoned:

#37 MikeV1987

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:37

Pretty easy to look like a great fighter when your opponent has been ordered to fight with one hand tied....


So how do you know Seb didn't have his engine turned down aswell?

#38 jrg19

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:38

The pathetic comment earlier in the race was disgusting too.

#39 Raziel

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:40

who was right?

This shouldn´t be a question at all! :drunk: :blush:

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#40 Kelateboy

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:40

Vettel pulled off a "Webber-Silverstone 2011", but unlike him successfully. That´s probably the main reason, why Mark went into hyprocisy-mode.

+1 :up:
This is the guy who squeezed his teammate into turn 1 in the championship deciding race last year, while allowing his team's rival to pass him unscathed on the outside.

What goes around comes around.

But nothing will come out of this from RBR side. They will protect Sebastian as usual and Hamilton and Alonso's fans will hate him more when he secured his 4th straight WDC titles.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:42

Pretty easy to look like a great fighter when your opponent has been ordered to fight with one hand tied....


Do you seriously think Webber did not turn the engine back up again while being attacked ? The pass only happened 2 laps after Webber being released from the pits, so there was enough time to prepare for defending the lead. Normally, when the leader actually has the pace in a similar situation, if he can stay in front for the first lap and the tyres get up to temperature, he can successfully defend. But this time Webber was simply not fast enough, and Vettel had a tyre advantage.

Edited by sv401, 24 March 2013 - 10:43.


#42 mymemoryfails

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:42

Vettel must think nobody is watching , or hearing, or something...

Doing this shit sure reveals Vettel as a real loser, all for 7 points

Even Marko is embarrassed. This day will stain Seb

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:43

Vettel is a racer, wants it badly, just like Senna did. Vettel is going into the history books as one of the current greats. :) Webber wasn't quick enough today.

Current greats? Webber not quick enough today? Lol and lol. Webber was ahead after the final stops. Nuff said.

#44 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:43

Vettel took care of business. He did not become 3 time world champ by being a mug. Alonso would have done the same thing.

Yeah, he became 3 time world champion with a lot of luck.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:43

100% Vettel fault. as simply as that.

#46 Massa_f1

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:44

Vettel is a racer, wants it badly, just like Senna did. Vettel is going into the history books as one of the current greats. :) Webber wasn't quick enough today.


:up: You don't win championships by being Mr Nice guy.

I mean come on how boring would of todays race of been if Vettel had held station just like Mercedes. It would of been boring. Ferrari and Lotus should be kicking themselves for allowing them to get in the position to play games the way they did.

#47 fabr68

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:44

I bet Webber is super pissed.

How many times has he been asked to "hold station" towards the end of the race when he was faster than Vettel. I lost count really.

Cheap shot by Vettel. But hey, Vettel should expect the same kind of "courtesy" from Webber from now on.

#48 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:44

Vettel was absolutely in the wrong. If you're told to hold position, you hold position. Webber just asked on Sky Sports if he accepts Vettel's apology.....he tries to avoid answering that question....suggests he doesn't accept it in my opinion.

#49 steen

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:44

Let me get this straight...
Vettel is a prick at Silvo 2011 and he is a prick now too.

What type of goggles do some people wear. Pathetic.

The inverse of the one's you're wearing? Heh...

Vettel - the team player. :D

#50 Massa_f1

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:45

Yeah, he became 3 time world champion with a lot of luck.


:rotfl: You don't win 3 championships with just luck