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#101 ensign14

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 19:41

I said the modern tendency to conflagrate a handful of incidents to define a career is revisionist, giving the false impression that Senna was constantly in on-track conflict with other drivers.

In context, he was. In that motor racing is such that one "professional foul" is one more than many drivers managed in entire careers. Senna was the worst for professional fouls until Schumacher came along.

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#102 fer312t

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 21:55

You should ask Brundle about Senna's attitude and behaviour in F3. It's a shame that such a gifted driver had to resort to bullying throughout his career to assert himself. Probably he felt insecure otherwise.





You can listen to Martin yourself...
In fact there are numerous interviews print and video on the subject. Would Martin say Senna took things too far on occasion...sure he would (and he has done so.) Do he still maintain absolute respect for Senna...as both human being and as a on track rival? It's quite clear he does. Would he define Senna as a fundamentally dirty, and 'unsporting' driver as some here wish to have him portrayed....absolutely not.

#103 chr1s

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 22:22

In context, he was. In that motor racing is such that one "professional foul" is one more than many drivers managed in entire careers. Senna was the worst for professional fouls until Schumacher came along.

Maradona only scored one goal with his hand but he'll always be remembered as a cheat!

#104 scheivlak

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 23:39

Maradona only scored one goal with his hand but he'll always be remembered as a cheat!

Maybe in England.....

#105 fer312t

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 23:59

That is only your interpretation and taking into account Brundle's current profile, what would you expect him to say? The interview in your link is quite dated and, on 20 secs duration only, probably quoted out of context.
I remember however another tv interview - with Clarkson?? - where he commented on the video of an accident they had in F3 where Senna tried to overtake him coming from nowhere behind with the result to take both of them out and with Senna's car almost landing on Brundle's head. Someone more skilled than me would surely be able to find it somewhere.


Yep, that's the Top Gear Senna piece.


#106 E1pix

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 00:40

I said no such thing...

I know what you said, no sense being revisionist about it.

#107 fer312t

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 01:53

I know what you said, no sense being revisionist about it.


I don't see why you're being so argumentative. You can scroll up and read exactly what I said... which is not what you said I said.

#108 john aston

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 08:14

I am not entirely sure that the above 'debate' is actually going anywhere...Time to move on ? And I could not help but smile at the use of 'conflagration' for 'conflation'- maybe closer to the truth than intended. ;)

#109 fer312t

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 08:49

True on both :wave: I'm happy to move one...

#110 chr1s

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 22:07

[quote name='GrumpyOldMan' date='Mar 28 2013, 13:32' post='6206387']
What about prior to Senna?

Thinking about it, did'nt Regazzoni put Stewart off deliberately on the final lap of the 1972 German Grand prix?

#111 kayemod

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 22:13


What about prior to Senna?

Thinking about it, did'nt Regazzoni put Stewart off deliberately on the final lap of the 1972 German Grand prix?


Stewart said he did, the late Clay said he didn't, claimed it was a misjudged and desperately over-optimistic last-lap overtaking attempt by the wee Scot.


#112 ensign14

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 22:15

Hm. Clay Regazzoni being a bit brutal on track or Stewart making a desperate mistake?