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[vitamin]

Hello everyone,

I was browsing through excellent archives of rallying by Darren Galpin and found lots of information that I wanted to know about pre-WRC era of rallying.

But since I'm new to motorsport and automotive history of the 50's I have some problems with identifying most of the cars that participated in rallies and road races in those past days.

So here's first list of cars from 1953 season of ERC that I would like to know better. Which means I'm looking for model name and body version.

Rallye del Sestriere
2. Scala/Mazzoni - Lancia (1500cc)
3. Damonte/Marsaglia - Lancia (2000cc)
4. Valenzano/Sponsetti - Lancia (Standard sports cars unlimited)
5. Maranzana/Carlotti - Panhard (750cc)

Midnattssolsrallyt
2. Kvarnstrom/Lundberg - Ford
3. Sjoqvist/Berggren - Citroen
4. Wessblad/Hellberg - ?

Rallye Travemünde
1. Helmut Polensky/W.Schlüter - Fiat 1100
2. G.Seibert/A.Bolz - Citroen

Liège-Rome-Liège
1. Johnny Claes/J.Trasenster - Lancia Aurelia

Rallye Lisboa
1. Joaquim Filipe Nogueira - Porsche
2. Ian Appleyard - Jaguar
3. Polensky - Porsche
4. Imhof - Sunbeam-Talbot

Here I'm guessing both Porsches were 356 model, the Jaguar XK120, and Sunbeam-Talbot 90 MkII - is that correct?


If anyone knows how and where to find information on these cars please let me know.

[David McKinney]

Rallye del Sestriere
2. Scala/Mazzoni - Lancia Aprilia (1500cc)
3. Damonte/Marsaglia - Lancia Aurelia B22 (2000cc)
4. Valenzano/Sponsetti - Lancia Aurelia B20 (Standard sports cars unlimited)
5. Maranzana/Carlotti - Panhard Dyna (750cc)

Midnattssolsrallyt
2. Kvarnstrom/Lundberg - Ford Custom
3. Sjoqvist/Berggren - Citroen 15
4. Wessblad/Hellberg - Porsche 356

Rallye Travemünde
1. Helmut Polensky/W.Schlüter - Fiat 1100
2. G.Seibert/A.Bolz - Citroen
3. Scheube/Gierke - Ford Taunus
4. Bosmueller/Werncher - Fiat 1100
5. Duetsch/Rousselle - Aston Martin DB2

Liège-Rome-Liège
1. Johnny Claes/J.Trasenster - Lancia Aurelia 2500
2. Fraikin/Gendebien - Jaguar
3. Herzet/Bianchi - Ferrari 2000
4. Christillin/Fiorio - Lancia Aurelia 2500
5. Gatta/Narsiglia - Lancia

Rallye Lisboa
1. Joaquim Filipe Nogueira - Porsche 356
2. Ian Appleyard - Jaguar XK120 dhc
3. Polensky - Porsche 356
4. Imhof - Sunbeam-Talbot 90
5. J G Reece - Ford Zephyr

All information form reports in Autosport

[vitamin]

All information form reports in Autosport

Thank you very much for this great and quick reply. I'm just having some problems with that winning Fiat 1100 from Rallye Travemünde.
Was it Fiat 1100/103 as seen on this picture from Mille Miglia?

n.2349 Guido Mancini-Carlo Mancini, Fiat 1100/103, 78° ass., 1° cl.1300 Turismo.

Regarding those reports from Autosport magazine - where I can find them? And do they include results and photos from other non-ERC rallies like: Monte-Carlo, RAC Rally, Tulpenrallye, Safari, Coupe des Alpes, Acropolis Rally, Viking Rally, Rallye du Maroc?

[David McKinney]

I'm just having some problems with that winning Fiat 1100 from Rallye Travemünde.
Was it Fiat 1100/103 as seen on this picture from Mille Miglia?

Sorry, I don't know

Regarding those reports from Autosport magazine - where I can find them?

Your profile doesn't say what country you're in. The British Newspaper Library and the Science Museum, both in London, have copies, I believe. I don't know of collections in any other country. Perhaps another TNF member might know

And do they include results and photos from other non-ERC rallies like: Monte-Carlo, RAC Rally, Tulpenrallye, Safari, Coupe des Alpes, Acropolis Rally, Viking Rally, Rallye du Maroc?

Yes (though not necessarily all of them)

[RS2000]

Tulpenrallye archive:
http://www.tulpenrallye.nl/archief/?

[vitamin]

Your profile doesn't say what country you're in. The British Newspaper Library and the Science Museum, both in London, have copies, I believe. I don't know of collections in any other country. Perhaps another TNF member might know

Does it mean that this archives are available only in original paper edition? There is no digital re-edition?

Tulpenrallye archive:
http://www.tulpenrallye.nl/archief/?

Yes, I'm familiar with this website and so is Darren Galpin. Unfortunately they are not full either when it comes to car models.

[David McKinney]

Does it mean that this archives are available only in original paper edition? There is no digital re-edition?

I know of no digitised version of Autosport

[Fred Gallagher]

Thank you very much for this great and quick reply. I'm just having some problems with that winning Fiat 1100 from Rallye Travemünde.
Was it Fiat 1100/103 as seen on this picture from Mille Miglia?

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These might be useful.

Fred

[vitamin]

These might be useful.
Fred

Thank you Fred for posting these scanned documents from Rallye Travemünde. The first one clarifies the Citroen model, but as for the Fiat 1100 it's still not precise enough I'm afraid. There were a couple of different variants of Fiat 1100 back in the early 50's and it's difficult to identify a model without photo from actual rally event. So I can only presume that it was that new Fiat 1100/103 as seen on that picture from Mille Miglia I posted earlier. As Mille Miglia was held in April 25-26, and Rallye Travemünde later on (June 3-7) I would say it's quite possible that it was that newly introduced 1100 model. But a picture of Polensky winning rally in Germany would clear things up. I tried to find one but had no luck so far.
But thank you once again for sharing those documents (now I know also the exact date of this event).

Edited by vitamin, 25 March 2013 - 11:50.

[RS2000]

I have seen the winning Porsche in Rallye Lisboa 53 described as a 356 1500S and the third placed one as a 356 1500S Coupe. The Appleyard Jaguar was a 120 (but probably the steel bodied RUB120 by then rather than the original alloy bodied NUB120). They used a Mk7 on Lisboa 52.

[David McKinney]

The Appleyard Jaguar was a 120 (but probably the steel bodied RUB120 by then rather than the original alloy bodied NUB120)

Yes, RUB120. That's why I said dhc (NUB being a roadster)

[hillsprint]

On some sites the driver's name is Bosmiller not Bosmueller.

[Fred Gallagher]

On some sites the driver's name is Bosmiller not Bosmueller.

Fritz Bösmiller and Hans Wencher



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Fred

[Jagjon]

Yes, RUB120. That's why I said dhc (NUB being a roadster)

RUB 120 was originally also a roadster but was rebodied I think in 1952, maybe '53, when the first dropheads were being built (they were announced in 1953) and this was to enter in a particular class at a rally. The exact details I have somewhere but not to hand. It was later rallied by Dennis Scott during 1954 in the Alpine Rally. I put a couple of photos on flickr.
The Fiat 1100 was probably that model & Gino Valenzano was a factory Lancia driver, he had been at school with a member of the Lancia family.

[vitamin]

RUB 120 was originally also a roadster but was rebodied I think in 1952, maybe '53, when the first dropheads were being built (they were announced in 1953) and this was to enter in a particular class at a rally. The exact details I have somewhere but not to hand. It was later rallied by Dennis Scott during 1954 in the Alpine Rally. I put a couple of photos on flickr.
The Fiat 1100 was probably that model & Gino Valenzano was a factory Lancia driver, he had been at school with a member of the Lancia family.

Thank you very much for this clarification on Jaguar and those incoming pictures. BTW, photos of any of these cars we are talking about here are more than welcome of course.

As for that Fiat 1100 I managed to find only this one website:
ForoEscala43.net - Fiat 1100 model
And the only piece of information is this one sentence (in Spanish):

Con el Fiat 1100 participó en el rally Travemünde del '53

what Google translates in English as:

With the Fiat 1100 took part in the rally Travemünde of '53