*All persons participating in this poll will receive a free copy of the F1 1989 Season DVD, "I was faster than you".
Edited by RealRacing, 27 March 2013 - 00:33.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 15:55
Team orders are as old as the sport itself, as is car/tyre saving.
Posted 27 March 2013 - 16:05
Edited by KnucklesAgain, 27 March 2013 - 16:05.
Posted 27 March 2013 - 16:06
Posted 27 March 2013 - 16:15
Predict the next GP?
I'm guessing China?
Posted 27 March 2013 - 16:16
Pointing out an appeal to tradition fallacy after you have erected the strawman of the decade is funny.
Posted 27 March 2013 - 16:32
Posted 27 March 2013 - 16:49
Edited by PorcupineTroy, 27 March 2013 - 16:52.
Posted 27 March 2013 - 16:51
The chinese GP is coming and fans can't wait to see the next great display of delta-driving, position holding, car-saving and TOs! This exciting racing event held at the fantastic Shanghai International Circuit, designed by Hermann Tilke will once again be host to an adrenaline-filled strategic contest between some of the most talented team principals in auto-racing. Listen to the likes of Ross Brawn, Stefano Domenicalli and Christian Horner as they guide their cars to collect the most points! See them hold their foreheads as their drivers try to race and restrain them from trying to pass and risk the team's cars. Witness exciting radio conversations such as team orders and order discussions, pace determinations and be the first to decipher secret codes! Witness driver reactions at the podium and press conference and be the first to comment on the exciting happenings on your favorite forum or social network!
*All persons participating in this poll will receive a free copy of the F1 1989 Season DVD, "I was faster than you".
Posted 27 March 2013 - 16:52
I'll say:
-After Q2, any teammates who both made it into the top 10 will be told to hold position and set the same times which they set in Q2.
-Drivers will ask Charlie to start the race behind the Safety Car, regardless of conditions, so that they can nurse the tyres and so (more importantly) that teams can hold position.
-Sebastian Vettel will ignore the aforementioned SC and give it full beans from lap one. He will quickly lap the field but gets shown the black flag for driving far too quickly behind the safety car. He will finish the race anyway (winning, obviously) and jump onto the podium, spraying champagne and whooping it up with Horner and Webber. When Brundle asks him what in blazes he was thinking for the last 56 laps, Sebastian will apologise to the drivers and FIA, but say that he did not ignore race control deliberately. Vettel's looming DSQ will be lifted, giving him another win. No further action is taken on the incident.
But seriously...
Buemi will stand in as Vettel's teammate since Webber will be having too much fun in Oz to bother flying to Shanghai .
Edited by mnmracer, 27 March 2013 - 16:53.
Posted 27 March 2013 - 17:00
Appeal to Tradition: (also "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"). The fallacy that a standpoint, situation or action is right, proper and correct simply because it has "always" been that way, because people have "always" thought that way, or because it continues to serve one particular group very well.. A corrupted argument from ethos (that of past generations). (E.g., "In America, women have always been paid less, so let's not mess with long-standing tradition."). The reverse of this is yet another fallacy, the "Appeal to Innovation," e.g., "It's NEW, and [therefore it must be] improved!"
Posted 27 March 2013 - 17:01
The chinese GP is coming and fans can't wait to see the next great display of delta-driving, position holding, car-saving and TOs! This exciting racing event held at the fantastic Shanghai International Circuit, designed by Hermann Tilke will once again be host to an adrenaline-filled strategic contest between some of the most talented team principals in auto-racing. Listen to the likes of Ross Brawn, Stefano Domenicalli and Christian Horner as they guide their cars to collect the most points! See them hold their foreheads as their drivers try to race and restrain them from trying to pass and risk the team's cars. Witness exciting radio conversations such as team orders and order discussions, pace determinations and be the first to decipher secret codes! Witness driver reactions at the podium and press conference and be the first to comment on the exciting happenings on your favorite forum or social network!
Posted 27 March 2013 - 17:43
Posted 27 March 2013 - 18:21
Fine but that's not my argument. My argument is that team orders have been banned, allowed, banned, allowed and back and forth, and they just do not go away because they're logical from the teams' point of view and will always be. It's not a matter of tradition and mantaining the status quo, it's a matter of living in the real world and knowing an utopia of 100% fair competition between team-mates can never exist.
Regarding car/tyres, you can go back to a early-2000s kind of racing with refuelling, indestructible tyres and new engines/gearboxes every race, with pushing hard every lap, little regard for tyre tactics. I personally was not a fan, that was the most boring era of the sport ever, much rather liked the 1980s dynamics of races when they had to save the car. Again not a matter of tradition but personal preference. I do realise what we have now isn't exactly the 1980s, but it's the most fun version of F1 I've ever seen. Not perfect, I would like about 1 pitstop less per race, I would like the drivers to have the choice to drive a bit closer to the limit and not get punished so severely, I would like the mandatory use of the 2 compound rule to go away, but it's not THAT bad. The races are fun to watch, and the best drivers and teams continue to rise to the top. What's the big drama?
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 18:27
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 18:51
Well, if we extrapolate (based on two races), then we had 1 TO in Australia, 2 TOs in Malaysia, and thus either 3 (add 1, or sum of all before) or 4 (last times 2) TOs in China.Interesting to see that, even after all that happened last weekend the "This is ridiculous" combo is still the most popular for TOs...
Posted 27 March 2013 - 19:12
Well, if we extrapolate (based on two races), then we had 1 TO in Australia, 2 TOs in Malaysia, and thus either 3 (add 1, or sum of all before) or 4 (last times 2) TOs in China.
Nothing ridiculous about that
Though, since we've now had FI, RB and Merc, I am guessing either Sauber or Williams or Torro Rosso and both Lotus and Ferrari. If it's 4, it should be one of the backmarker teams.
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