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Team Orders: What would happen if they couldn't use radios?


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#51 chipmcdonald

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Posted 09 September 2014 - 23:43

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I know, "it will never happen". "Hah, silly!".

 

 

https://uk.eurosport...414126--f1.html



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#52 R Soul

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 00:25

They copied it from Autosport. I know they didn't try to hide it, but they should just post a link and a summary.

 

I have a lot of sympathy for this idea but the radio is a very good way of telling the driver of a dangerous incident ahead. I don't think limited communication would work because someone would find a way to interpret every safety message as a driver instruction.

 

I think it would be better to undo the reliability rules, and insist on durable tyres, so the drivers could push all the time. As for drivers being told to brake later for turn X, well it's up to the team to decide if they want to keep a driver who needs those instructions.


Edited by R Soul, 10 September 2014 - 00:29.


#53 blub

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:31

If they do ban radios, I would place a new light on the pit board, it would be a matrix of LED lights like one of those complex codes on the tags of things you buy at a store. The driver would turn towards the sign and a camera of some kind would read the projected lights and translate it into text on the inside of his visor. Problem solved. Of course I don’t think they should, but they will. Or they could put it on the steering wheel, lights would go on and off, same thing to translate. When you think about it, this actually might be something the FIA would agree to, the fans are out of the loop, they think the drivers are now more in charge, everyone is dumb and happy.

Its worth noting that Lewis DID NOT take his race engineers advice to slow until the end, HE DID NOT DO IT and he won. So, what would be advisable is for the broadcast commentors to follow up on driver instructions, to see what the driver did. On NBCSN (or maybe it was SKY) that is exactly what they did, and they remarked right away that Lewis is not doing as he is told, it made if more fun to watch. The FIA should not be put into a position where they are compensating for the broadcasters laziness and blaming the teams.


 



#54 ANF

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 12:11

They copied it from Autosport. I know they didn't try to hide it, but they should just post a link and a summary.

I'm pretty sure that Autosport sell their "free" news stories to Eurosport/Yahoo. As a non-subscriber you can read them at Eurosport/Yahoo without having to worry about the paywall at Autosport.com which only lets you read 50 stories per month.



#55 redreni

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 15:14

They copied it from Autosport. I know they didn't try to hide it, but they should just post a link and a summary.

 

I have a lot of sympathy for this idea but the radio is a very good way of telling the driver of a dangerous incident ahead. I don't think limited communication would work because someone would find a way to interpret every safety message as a driver instruction.

 

I think it would be better to undo the reliability rules, and insist on durable tyres, so the drivers could push all the time. As for drivers being told to brake later for turn X, well it's up to the team to decide if they want to keep a driver who needs those instructions.

 

It's perfectly possible to do away with team radio. It would improve safety with respect to incidents if you just piped the race control channel through to all the drivers, so they'd be able to hear Charlie but not anybody from their team. At the moment, if we take the Sutil incident at Hockenheim, Whiting would come on the race control channel and say something like "double-waved yellow flags at turn (whatever number it was), incident off-line on drivers' right" which tells the drivers they're expected to drive the normal line and pass to the left of the incident. Hence we didn't see anybody opting to pass to the right of Sutil, which might have seriously endangered marshalls appraching from the pit lane. At the moment, the drivers don't hear that information first hand and it has to be relayed to each driver by his race engineer, leading to a delay in getting the information over and a possible loss of clarity.

 

I don't see any reason why we couldn't ban team radio. I don't see why we'd want to, or what problem it would solve, but like most things, it could certainly be done. It would need a new regulation, though - the notion that some or all radio messages are covered by the "alone and unaided" rule is just barking mad, in my view. And teams might well need a considerable amount of notice to make sure they could still run reliably if they could no longer give instructions to their drivers as they went along, particularly as regards high temps. And you'd have to strictly regulate and standardise pit boards, or ban them outright, if you didn't want instructions to change engine maps or observations about how fast a driver is compared to his teammate behind to be given via that method rather than over the radio.



#56 ollebompa

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 19:14

Pits would comunicate with drivers as well as today even if there where no radios, it will just be more expensive. Teams are allways going to be cleverer than the FIA.


Edited by ollebompa, 10 September 2014 - 19:16.