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#1 MikeV1987

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 14:46

http://ca.autoblog.c...r-lexus-banner/

"citing recent interviews with Toyota executives and insider sources, Club Lexus says that the move to re-enter F1 for the 2014 season is all but finalized."


What do you think? I'll believe it when I see it. I would much rather VW come in with the Audi brand though.

Edited by MikeV1987, 03 April 2013 - 14:50.


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#2 Molo19

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 14:53

the original story was published April 1st...

Edited by Molo19, 03 April 2013 - 14:55.


#3 Deluxx

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 14:58

That's weird. Last night before falling asleep I was like "Lexus should join F1" and..........

Prolly April fools joke, but with 2014 regs we could see some new teams, who knows

#4 MikeV1987

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:00

the original story was published April 1st...


I didn't see anything regarding Toyota or Lexus on april 1st anywhere, I only seen the one about Dupont F1.

#5 MikeV1987

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:01

That's weird. Last night before falling asleep I was like "Lexus should join F1" and..........

Prolly April fools joke, but with 2014 regs we could see some new teams, who knows


Stranger things have happened, I hope we start seeing more manufacturers join in the future.

#6 Dolph

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:08

As a team or engine supplier?

#7 MikeV1987

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:10

Copy/pasted from Ferrari chat

From Club Lexus website: http://www.clublexus...one-in-2014.php

Edited by D.M.N., 03 April 2013 - 15:28.
Linking to article, and remove copyvio


#8 Deluxx

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:16

I hope they style their car after the LFA and not the rest of their models Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

#9 Markn93

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:17

Again, if true, this is great! F1 needs more manufacturers, this would be a positive step hopefully showing VW among others that they too can make the leap.

#10 ApexMouse

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:21

unless they've been developing an engine for 6+ months absolutely no chance for 2014.

#11 Kelateboy

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:23

Bernie only wants to see 10 teams in Formula 1. Anything more than that, he will to fork out more money from his and his cronies own pockets....

#12 MikeV1987

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:26

Would Bernie really deny a major manufacturer from entering? doubt it. I think he is just tired of the current struggling backmarkers giving his sport a bad name, thats the impression I get from him anyway.

Edited by MikeV1987, 03 April 2013 - 15:29.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:30

I'm sorry, i can't take a Lexus F1 team seriously, every time someone mentions their name i'd think of this...



#14 John Player

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:33

Makes sense, to compete with Infiniti (Nissan)

#15 Amphicar

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:35

Would Bernie really deny a major manufacturer from entering? doubt it. I think he is just tired of the current struggling backmarkers giving his sport a bad name, thats the impression I get from him anyway.

Entries to F1 are one of the few things that Mr E doesn't (yet) control - entries are still governed by the FIA. However, Bernie could make life difficult for a new entrant he didn't like - by refusing to sign them up for a share of the TV revenues & hosting fees. This was essentially the tactic he used to bring Mercedes to heel.

#16 MikeV1987

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:35

OT but, I would not be surprised if Infiniti took over RBR in a few years down the road..They are already the Renault works team, Nissan & Renault have been partners for years now.

Edited by MikeV1987, 03 April 2013 - 15:38.


#17 Kelateboy

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:35

Would Bernie really deny a major manufacturer from entering? doubt it. I think he is just tired of the current struggling backmarkers giving his sport a bad name, thats the impression I get from him anyway.

That is why Marussia has yet to be offered the Concorde Agreement for signing... :)

#18 muramasa

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:37


April fool or not, Toyota in F1 as an engine supplier for new engine formula isnt unreasonable at all.

I doubt they will do an F1 team again coz resource required for it is massive, and personally I want them to concentrate on the ongoing LMP effort and succeed there, also I think LMP series suits Toyota's image more than F1.

But if they can provide engines for F1 that would be awesome.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:37

I'm sorry, i can't take a Lexus F1 team seriously, every time someone mentions their name i'd think of this...


They're the Japanese Mercedes.

Edited by Maustinsj, 03 April 2013 - 15:38.


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#20 muramasa

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:40

I'm sorry, i can't take a Lexus F1 team seriously, every time someone mentions their name i'd think of this...

:rotfl:

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:41

OT but, I would not be surprised if Infiniti took over RBR in a few years down the road..


I'd be surprised if that were to happen, Dietrich has spent any awful lot of $'s to get RBR to where they are now and its all part of his mass global marketing campaign for Red Bull, i can't see him giving that up, not for any amount of money. I could see their Renault engines being re-bagded though.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:49

If say, they enter as an engine manufacturer, and just for argument's sake take the place of Renault at Lotus (for whatever reason), we'd have in 2015, barring any other changes:

Ferrari
Mercedes
RBR Renault
Mclaren Honda
Lotus Lexus

5 top constructors, 5 different engine suppliers.

I want that to happen :up:

Edited by Markn93, 03 April 2013 - 15:51.


#23 Amphicar

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:50

OT but, I would not be surprised if Infiniti took over RBR in a few years down the road..They are already the Renault works team, Nissan & Renault have been partners for years now.

I think that's in the possible but not probable box - though come to think of it, the Nissan Technology Centre Europe, at Cranfield is only 7 miles from Red Bull's F1 factory in Milton Keynes.

#24 MikeV1987

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:50

Sauber-Lexus

#25 MikeV1987

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 15:56

I'd be surprised if that were to happen, Dietrich has spent any awful lot of $'s to get RBR to where they are now and its all part of his mass global marketing campaign for Red Bull, i can't see him giving that up, not for any amount of money. I could see their Renault engines being re-bagded though.


True, but for how much longer is he going to want to fork the bill? In theory, it could be like it is now except the roles reversed. (red bull as a title sponsor, infiniti running the team)

#26 Bloggsworth

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 17:09

Bit late for an April Fool...

#27 scheivlak

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 17:26

Bit late for an April Fool...

The original clublexus.com story was from April 1....

#28 HistoryFan

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 17:37

F1 is going to luxury with the luxus brands of Nissan, Toyota and Honda: Infiniti versus Lexus versus Acura...

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 17:44

If say, they enter as an engine manufacturer, and just for argument's sake take the place of Renault at Lotus (for whatever reason), we'd have in 2015, barring any other changes:

Ferrari
Mercedes
RBR Renault
Mclaren Honda
Lotus Lexus

5 top constructors, 5 different engine suppliers.

I want that to happen :up:


Lotus doesn't really work as a name let alone Lotus Lexus.

#30 Maustinsj

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 17:55

Lotus doesn't really work as a name let alone Lotus Lexus.


How about Lotus-Lexi (plural) :p

#31 mattferg

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 18:07

True, but for how much longer is he going to want to fork the bill? In theory, it could be like it is now except the roles reversed. (red bull as a title sponsor, infiniti running the team)


He doesn't foot the bill any more - WCC money + infiniti money + other sponsors covers RBR's budget. If they did have any RB money chucked in it'd be from the marketing budget, and as it stands winning championships is a far more effective way to sell Red Bull than billboards.

#32 stanga

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 18:24

Middle managers of the world unite! You will be represented in F1!

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:06

unless they've been developing an engine for 6+ months absolutely no chance for 2014.


They are planning to enter the series in 2015 so plenty of time to develop and test - like they did in 2001.




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Posted 04 April 2013 - 08:19


Toyota Luxury
Nissan Infinity
Honda Accuracy

------

Mitsubishi Trident
Mazda Destiny
Subaru Universe
Suzuki Freedom
Isuzu Justice

Edited by muramasa, 04 April 2013 - 09:15.


#35 teejay

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 08:30

Stephan GP will enter before Lotus

#36 Arry2k

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:17

I'm sorry, i can't take a Lexus F1 team seriously, every time someone mentions their name i'd think of this...

DAN! DAN! DAN!

#37 Maustinsj

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:33

DAN! DAN! DAN!


Don't be a mentalist!

#38 Atreiu

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 13:17

Lexus is no more exciting.

#39 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 13:23

Who cares if the brand is exciting, a new manufacturer is good for F1.

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#40 F1ultimate

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 13:24

It it brings back Kobayashi, I'll be happy.

#41 TennisUK

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 18:46

If they develop a new F1 engine it would also fit in a WEC challenger under the new regs there if they so choseā€¦ Doubt it though. supposedly Renault may use it's 2014 F1 engine in a possible LMP1 Alpine. I doubt that, too.

#42 Lennat

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 23:05

How about buying Team Enstone? :) That or supplying Mclaren would be their best bet for some success.

#43 Atreiu

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 00:21

Who cares if the brand is exciting, a new manufacturer is good for F1.


Lexus is no more exciting than Toyota, that was my specific point.
That having new manufacturers join is good goes beyond the obvious.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 00:25

an april fool's joke that has lasted four days and made it past a single thread page. remarkable.

#45 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 00:34

I don't understand how announcing something that is plausible is much of a prank.

#46 repcobrabham

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:31

plausibility is what makes the best april fools day pranks work.

#47 muramasa

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:49

an april fool's joke that has lasted four days and made it past a single thread page. remarkable.


thing is, everyone here assumes it's april fools.

it was merely a start to talk about the possibility, same as all those talks about Audi or Honda or whatever to F1.
Toyota actually has facility, and doing WEC/F1 engine from 2014/15 has been plausible for a while either with or without this april fools thing.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:22

So what hesitate them from joining this formula one party is that this destiny that they are pre-programmed losers being named as TOYOTA, the maker of mass consumption cars. Formula one is a strange field where even the giant successful car builders like Toyota or VW may easily fail to perform due glamour.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:26

I actually do hope to see Toyota back on grid. Would be great to see all Japanese engineers instead, not a fake Toyota guys from Germany and England. Toyota is a mighty successful Japanese Car Maker, we should want to see how Japanese Group will go in to the formula one operation and make then a radical change in thinking. Should be much more evolutionary done than how Red Bull has done it.

#50 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:47

plausibility is what makes the best april fools day pranks work.


But in this case where's the joke? It's not like the April Fool's about a decade back where KIA were joining CART.